THESURVIVOR2299.com likely isn't a Fallout 4 teaser website

[woo1108]

and what point would that have? Exploration for the sake of exploration can be just as boring, but you have to spend a ton of time create it, just for a 5 min. enjoyment that wears down quickly. Its a problem that many games have that try to jump on that open-world train. Dont get me wrong, I dont mind open world games. But I dont think that you have to force it on the gameplay come hell or high water.

I can't agree more about that.

 

[GarouxBloodline]

I find it odd that so many here are so eager to condemn the next Fallout installment simply because Bethesda might be involved.

-Wouldn't one agree that it's a tad unwarranted to make such baseless assumptions against a game that hasn't even been released yet? I agree that Bethesda has made mistakes, and that Fallout 3 was a flawed game. But so was Interplay and their original Fallout games. Bethesda showed great improvements with Skyrim although that game was flawed, as well, and it's worth giving them a chance to see how they adapt to make the next Fallout even greater than 3/NV/Skyrim.

-Isn't anyone worried about how much this site has stagnated? Just like the Unwashed Villagers community, NMA has faded into obscurity and a large number of the new Fallout generation have no idea what NMA even is. It's fine to critique Fallout 3 and New Vegas for their flaws, in which there are many, but it's gotten to the point now where most everyone here are deluding themselves into believing these games are not true Fallout games. To be frank, the days of isometric gameplay in Fallout is over. Interplay and BlackIsle Studios? They are a memory. Bethesda is now is control, and it's up to us to provide the support needed to motivate them to do the Fallout universe justice.

-I just felt like pointing this out. Fallout fans already have a bad reputation for being quite fanatical, and it saddens me to see what used to be such a prominent Fallout community disappearing because its members are too tunnel-visioned to stop living in the past. I'm not targeting anyone specifically and I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I just think a few people here need a wake-up call, although I doubt I'll be able to change their minds with my words. Hopefully Bethesda will eventually be able to redeem themselves in your eyes with future Fallout installments.

 

[qlawless26]

GarouxBloodline, I couldn't have said it any better myself.

 

[BonusWaffle]

I really dont think anyone is going to be swayed by your argument of "think like me or i wont spend time here". Are you really so deluded as to think that your very presence can be used as a bargaining chip?

 

[valcik]

To be frank, the days of isometric gameplay in Fallout is over.

Agreed, Fallout has lost his spirit. It's not only iso-perspective what's gone and that's the reason why I'm interested in announced Wasteland 2 or Age of Decadence rather than any bethesdian Fallout.

I'm not targeting anyone specifically and I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I just think a few people here need a wake-up call ..

Don't worry, no offense taken. Just turn the alarm clock off, please.

 

[woo1108]

so was Interplay and their original Fallout games.

At least, their flaw didn't erase RPG from game.

Bethesda showed great improvements with Skyrim

I don't think so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JweTAhyR4o0

the days of isometric gameplay in Fallout is over.

right. don't need to be isometric. Fallout can use topview, rotatable isometric and other better view point than isometric.
but that doesn't mean FPS or TPS is better.

Interplay and BlackIsle Studios? They are a memory.

but Brian Fargo(WL), Tim Cain(Fo1 and Arcanum), Chris Avellon(Fo2) and Josh sawyer(cancelled Fo3 and NV) are still alive and they trying to make new game. and they still got the spirit of Fallout unlike beth who even lost spirit TES.

to stop living in the past.

Do you really think game developers like beth bring you the future?
They don't. they degenerate game into past except for shells of game.

 

[GarouxBloodline]

so was Interplay and their original Fallout games.

At least, their flaw didn't erase RPG from game.

Bethesda showed great improvements with Skyrim

I don't think so.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JweTAhyR4o0

the days of isometric gameplay in Fallout is over.

right. don't need to be isometric. Fallout can use topview, rotatable isometric and other better view point than isometric.
but that doesn't mean FPS or TPS is better.

Interplay and BlackIsle Studios? They are a memory.

but Brian Fargo(WL), Tim Cain(Fo1 and Arcanum), Chris Avellon(Fo2) and Josh sawyer(cancelled Fo3 and NV) are still alive and they trying to make new game. and they still got the spirit of Fallout unlike beth who even lost spirit TES.

to stop living in the past.

Do you really think game developers like beth bring you the future?
They don't. they degenerate game into past except for shells of game.

You have your opinions, and that is fine. It's just a shame that NMA, a Fallout community, is dying - simply because its eldest members allow their personal opinions to override the fact that Fallout is evolving past what they used to know. Whether you all like the new Fallout games or not is irrelevant. What is relevant is that the bias present here has forced NMA into a state of stagnation, which is why this community is quickly dying like D&C and the Unwashed Villagers.

And it makes me sad. I remember coming here as an anonymous user for many years, and how much help this site has given me while playing the original games. But now NMA has become a relic.

 

[Walpknut]

Hey guys another "nma is dying because some members don't like FO3" post.

 

[woo1108]

or hates beth.

I really wonder why beth fanboys think that they are major and community who hates beth is dying.
or themselves are future-oriented and people who hates beth are bunch of nostellgiafag(am I write exactly?).

 

[GarouxBloodline]

or hates beth.

I really wonder why beth fanboys think that they are major and community who hates beth is dying.
or themselves are future-oriented and people who hates beth are bunch of nostellgiafag(am I write exactly?).

Look up GarouxBloodline and you might understand why I have a grasp of what's left of the Fallout community. And I find it interesting that you dismiss my constructive criticism by making the assumption that I'm a Beth fanboy. I've made it pretty clear during my Fallout career that I'm pretty opposed to a lot of what Bethesda does. But I'm also not blind towards the future of Fallout.

 

[woo1108]

I'm not saying about you.
I mean fanboys who have been seen in this site or in my country.

I got your point but not agree with you.
many people in this sites are not fanboys who are obsessed with Fallout or worshipping Fallout. they know what is good point of new game or bad points of old games. and they know what is bad points of Fallout. that's enough for me to think this forum is still good place to discuss game.

 

[Tagaziel]

I find it odd that so many here are so eager to condemn the next Fallout installment simply because Bethesda might be involved.

-Wouldn't one agree that it's a tad unwarranted to make such baseless assumptions against a game that hasn't even been released yet? I agree that Bethesda has made mistakes, and that Fallout 3 was a flawed game. But so was Interplay and their original Fallout games. Bethesda showed great improvements with Skyrim although that game was flawed, as well, and it's worth giving them a chance to see how they adapt to make the next Fallout even greater than 3/NV/Skyrim.

I don't see that. Are you sure you aren't taking one user's opinion and applying them broadly to the entire site? Garoux, I had you figured for a better person than that.

-Isn't anyone worried about how much this site has stagnated? Just like the Unwashed Villagers community, NMA has faded into obscurity and a large number of the new Fallout generation have no idea what NMA even is. It's fine to critique Fallout 3 and New Vegas for their flaws, in which there are many, but it's gotten to the point now where most everyone here are deluding themselves into believing these games are not true Fallout games. To be frank, the days of isometric gameplay in Fallout is over. Interplay and BlackIsle Studios? They are a memory. Bethesda is now is control, and it's up to us to provide the support needed to motivate them to do the Fallout universe justice.

Not "most everyone." Only a few users are die hard Bethesda haters that would hate Bethesda even if Todd Howard personally gave them full control over the Fallout IP.

Most of us made peace with reality long ago. Plus, New Vegas is pretty awesome.

-I just felt like pointing this out. Fallout fans already have a bad reputation for being quite fanatical, and it saddens me to see what used to be such a prominent Fallout community disappearing because its members are too tunnel-visioned to stop living in the past. I'm not targeting anyone specifically and I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I just think a few people here need a wake-up call, although I doubt I'll be able to change their minds with my words. Hopefully Bethesda will eventually be able to redeem themselves in your eyes with future Fallout installments.

Garoux, you're condensing all the bad arguments into a single post. That's a broad assumption made about the entire forum.

Trust us, we've seen these arguments. We've debunked them. Stay around and participate in the forums, maybe you'll get an accurate image of the users, instead of the volumes of hate and poison levied against NMA for not conforming.

 

[GarouxBloodline]

I find it odd that so many here are so eager to condemn the next Fallout installment simply because Bethesda might be involved.

-Wouldn't one agree that it's a tad unwarranted to make such baseless assumptions against a game that hasn't even been released yet? I agree that Bethesda has made mistakes, and that Fallout 3 was a flawed game. But so was Interplay and their original Fallout games. Bethesda showed great improvements with Skyrim although that game was flawed, as well, and it's worth giving them a chance to see how they adapt to make the next Fallout even greater than 3/NV/Skyrim.

I don't see that. Are you sure you aren't taking one user's opinion and applying them broadly to the entire site? Garoux, I had you figured for a better person than that.

-Isn't anyone worried about how much this site has stagnated? Just like the Unwashed Villagers community, NMA has faded into obscurity and a large number of the new Fallout generation have no idea what NMA even is. It's fine to critique Fallout 3 and New Vegas for their flaws, in which there are many, but it's gotten to the point now where most everyone here are deluding themselves into believing these games are not true Fallout games. To be frank, the days of isometric gameplay in Fallout is over. Interplay and BlackIsle Studios? They are a memory. Bethesda is now is control, and it's up to us to provide the support needed to motivate them to do the Fallout universe justice.

Not "most everyone." Only a few users are die hard Bethesda haters that would hate Bethesda even if Todd Howard personally gave them full control over the Fallout IP.

Most of us made peace with reality long ago. Plus, New Vegas is pretty awesome.

-I just felt like pointing this out. Fallout fans already have a bad reputation for being quite fanatical, and it saddens me to see what used to be such a prominent Fallout community disappearing because its members are too tunnel-visioned to stop living in the past. I'm not targeting anyone specifically and I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I just think a few people here need a wake-up call, although I doubt I'll be able to change their minds with my words. Hopefully Bethesda will eventually be able to redeem themselves in your eyes with future Fallout installments.

Garoux, you're condensing all the bad arguments into a single post. That's a broad assumption made about the entire forum.

Trust us, we've seen these arguments. We've debunked them. Stay around and participate in the forums, maybe you'll get an accurate image of the users, instead of the volumes of hate and poison levied against NMA for not conforming.

-I do not hold the opinions of the moderate as the opinions of the whole here. But at times, it does seem overwhelming: (Examples)
*"But don't worry. This being true or not doesn't matter much, as a Fallout 4 from Bethesda will be shit anyway."
*"Yeah, I agree with Lexx. Don't get overly excited about this.
If it really is about FO4, then cool. And whatever."
*"Hoax or not, who cares about Dovahkiin dressed in power armor, wielding a plasma rifle and shooting at vertibirds?"
*"This is going to be a Bethesda piece of shit and the only redeeming quality maybe, MAYBE will be the survival horror elements like in FO3. At this point I'd rather have Joshua Graham Simulator 2014."

-That was harsh, and I'd like to clarify: I was referring to the general tone of this site. In the years that I've been here anonymously, it's been generally accepted that Bethesda has taken Fallout down an unpleasant route, and it has led to a lot of bias against the modern Fallout titles. But, you are correct in that the general tone doesn't necessarily mean that the majority of people here accept it for their own opinion.

-I do not just mean NMA, which is why I have brought up other communities, as well. The reason why I brought my critique to the public here is simply from nostalgia raised by seeing so many of my favourite communities falling out of grace. And especially when the developers have even poked fun at our collective fan-base, it's hard to ignore the general Fallout conscience purveyed throughout our communities. I fully admit that this even includes my home at Nukapedia at times.

-Just know that I'm not trying to offend anyone or that I'm attempting to fully demonize this site. Take it as my way of expressing my feelings towards not wanting to see NMA go down the road of other fallen brethren communities.

 

[valcik]

What is relevant is that the bias present here has forced NMA into a state of stagnation, which is why this community is quickly dying like D&C and the Unwashed Villagers.

Nah. There's a lot of <s>heretics</s> cool guys here at NMA who have enjoyed bethesdian Fallouts greatly and they weren't burned at stake at all. Yet..
*points his finger at Sduibek*

 

[Ulrox]

-Isn't anyone worried about how much this site has stagnated? Just like the Unwashed Villagers community, NMA has faded into obscurity and a large number of the new Fallout generation have no idea what NMA even is..

Good point, but this is something that tends to happen to old internet forums/communities. They create a culture and that culture ends up dominating much of what people do.

I'm not saying that the new fallout that bethesda is making would be an amazing game, but new vegas opened my eyes to how technically proficient bethesda is, if only their writing was up to scratch then I wouldnt have any issues at all to be frank. Besides I have wasteland 2 and age of decadence to look forward to, why would I be sad at all about what happened to fallout when these amazing games are coming out soon too? If the oldschool rpg genre wasnt having a resurrection then I might be more swayed to hold it against bethesda, but seeing as that isnt the case, then I see no reason.

 

[Lexx]

Well, see it from the other side. I find Morrowind boring. I find Oblivion boring and the quest / story content bad. I find the quest / story content of Fallout 3 bad and I find most (not all) of the quest / story content in Skyrim bad (and the game bored me very fast).

All these games are from 10 years of Bethesda. Now tell me, why should I fool myself into thinking that a Fallout 4 from Bethesda will be any better for me this time?

I don't hate Bethesda. I just don't like their games.

 

[mobucks]

But if you don't like their games, this community will die!

Everyone, cool off a bit and start liking Bethesda games! If only for the future of this community!

 

[Deleted member 62454]

Well, see it from the other side. I find Morrowind boring. I find Oblivion boring and the quest / story content bad. I find the quest / story content of Fallout 3 bad and I find most (not all) of the quest / story content in Skyrim bad (and the game bored me very fast).

All these games are from 10 years of Bethesda. Now tell me, why should I fool myself into thinking that a Fallout 4 from Bethesda will be any better for me this time?

I don't hate Bethesda. I just don't like their games.

Possible change of engine and possible come back of hud based map, that's something. I think they will try to differentiate the game more from TES series.

 

[HerrGoogly]

You have your opinions, and that is fine. It's just a shame that NMA, a Fallout community, is dying - simply because its eldest members allow their personal opinions to override the fact that Fallout is evolving past what they used to know.

Did you ever notice that the main problem with Fallout 3 wasn't just the mechanics?! The main plot in Fallout 3 is awful, it's simply awful! It also has tons of characters that are impossible to like. Funny thing is that one of the worst characters in Fallout 3(Three Dogs) is also teasing Fallout 4! The gameplay might be fun but it's still a real shame that the guys at Obsidian don't get to have a part in Fallout 4.

 

[GarouxBloodline]

But if you don't like their games, this community will die!

Everyone, cool off a bit and start liking Bethesda games! If only for the future of this community!

Thanks for being ignorant and putting words in my mouth. I appreciate that.