Things you *aren't* pleased to see

The Dutch Ghost said:
Also the name; Bear Force One, I could swear that that was a German video clip/song from a decade back.
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NCR = New California Republic
California, also known as the Bear Flag Republic
hence, Bear Force One

I think it's pretty amusing and fairly clever.


Also, while Caesar's legion seems kind of dumb in general to me (I'll hold off final judgement for now), nitpicking over the fact that they use Latin titles/names and phrases? I think you're getting a little tilted over nothing here. Sure it might not make sense for a bunch of wastelanders to run off and pick up Latin, but this prophet type Caesar leader that banded them all together is obviously some sort of enigmatic looney. Forcing language requirements on his followers is just another way of exerting control and molding his people into his ideal image for his society. It also further isolates his followers from the rest of the wasteland, giving them a stronger identity and strengthening his control even more. The language thing is far more plausible than you think it is.
 
Ehr GoodRevrnd, I understood the basis behind the name, just that there was this German song that sounded like it all that time back.
 
The Language thing is fairly cool and shows a impressive level of attention to detail. They don't actually speak latin, they just pronounce latin and roman phrases such as Caeser, classically(properly) because that's the way they were taught.
 
I have totally missed where the bear force 1 reference is coming from?

I haven't seen anything about it ? where did ya'll see this?
 
Zeronet said:
The Language thing is fairly cool and shows a impressive level of attention to detail. They don't actually speak latin, they just pronounce latin and roman phrases such as Caeser, classically(properly) because that's the way they were taught.
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Unfortunately, it varies between NPCs based on who VA'd them. There are a few who say see-zarr.
 
All the devs and such pronounce it see-zar as well. I guess the Latin pronounciation may confuse people though.
 
The thing is that most people don't learn the proper pronounciation even if they had latin in school. For example, our teacher told us "Yeah, noone really knows the pronounciation so we speak it like german words". Ok, for most words that pronounciation is actually correct, but sometimes it's just wrong. For example, we learned to pronounce "c" like "ts" but it's actually "k". So, we pronounced "Caesar" something like "Tsaser" (can't really write it down), but, well, you know the correct way.

Also, Bear Force 1 is not german, it's a dutch band :D
And yes, it's gayer than actual buttsex between two men.
 
Hassknecht said:
Also, Bear Force 1 is not german, it's a dutch band :D
And yes, it's gayer than actual buttsex between two men.
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* bangs head against a wall *

Just when you think my countrymen can't make the Dutch population look even more stupid.

They should pass a law here that makes it illegal to make songs like these, on the penalty of incarceration.

Now back to the subject.
 
Grimhound said:
Zeronet said:
The Language thing is fairly cool and shows a impressive level of attention to detail. They don't actually speak latin, they just pronounce latin and roman phrases such as Caeser, classically(properly) because that's the way they were taught.
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Unfortunately, it varies between NPCs based on who VA'd them. There are a few who say see-zarr.
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It varies based on whether their Caeser's Legion or not. People who haven't been taught Caeser's way of saying it, IE NCR troopers etc will pronounce it the way it looks.

Josh Sawyer commented on this in the best buy interview/playthrough, expressing surprise people had picked up on it.
 
When it comes to the proper pronunciation of Caesar - or Latin in general - who says Romans pronounced it Kai-saar back in the day? All of our assumptions are based on reconstruction, since there obviously aren't any tape recordings from the time. A pronunciaton with K is possible, but Cz is just as plausible.
 
Pjotr84 said:
When it comes to the proper pronunciation of Caesar - or Latin in general - who says Romans pronounced it Kai-saar back in the day? All of our assumptions are based on reconstruction, since there obviously aren't any tape recordings from the time. A pronunciaton with K is possible, but Cz is just as plausible.
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I know that I was taught in my Latin class that a certain pronunciation was "correct," based on syllable stress, the way certain poems were written, etc. However, I believe that the Latin we have is different from the spoken, "vulgar" Latin-- so maybe common Latin was pronounced differently. Here is a Wikipedia article which seems to have some information on the different pronunciations.
 
Little_Robot said:
Pjotr84 said:
When it comes to the proper pronunciation of Caesar - or Latin in general - who says Romans pronounced it Kai-saar back in the day? All of our assumptions are based on reconstruction, since there obviously aren't any tape recordings from the time. A pronunciaton with K is possible, but Cz is just as plausible.
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I know that I was taught in my Latin class that a certain pronunciation was "correct," based on syllable stress, the way certain poems were written, etc. However, I believe that the Latin we have is different from the spoken, "vulgar" Latin-- so maybe common Latin was pronounced differently. Here is a Wikipedia article which seems to have some information on the different pronunciations.
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They told me the same thing back in high school, but that doesn't mean it was actually pronounced that way. All recontruction of Latin pronunciation was done through the languages that evolved from it and by using methods used in reconstructing dead or even theoretical (e.g. Indo-Germanic) languages.

The main point of my initial post was that it doesn't really matter how Caesar's Legion pronounces Caesar in Fallout, since we can't even say for certain how the Romans must have pronounced it.
 
On the other hand, latin wasn't exactly forgotten at one point and then rediscovered. After the demise of the roman empire, the catholic church and scholars preserved latin throughout the times.
 
I am still disappointed in the way ghouls look. Hopefully I won't also be disappointed in the way they're implemented this time around also (personality, society, ferals, combat).
 
Hassknecht said:
On the other hand, latin wasn't exactly forgotten at one point and then rediscovered. After the demise of the roman empire, the catholic church and scholars preserved latin throughout the times.
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Well, things get unclear - or even lost - after about a 1000 years. Furthermore, those who still spoke Latin, also spoke their native language, which tends to influence to a greater or lesser extent.
 
Wow, I've been playing and... honestly... I'm extremely underwhelmed.

The skills seem just like FO3-- namely, despite other improvements, Obsidian seems to have fallen flat in creating "specialization." And just like in FO3, tag skills just gives them a little boost in the beginning without affecting growth. The writing seems fine, but honestly, if there's not the specialization in FO1 and 2 there isn't as much replay value. So far it seems like a waste of money.
 
I am really just dissapointed there is no player home that you can get in Goodsprings. I thought for sure you would be able to get a home there. Anyone have a safe place to store gear around Goodsprings?
 
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