Trump wins

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Nov 9, 2016.

  1. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    The salt is real
    Sorry you guys were wrong again and Trump is fulfilling promises.
    Is this envy for all that fruitless bernie sanders support that bore no results?

    These two posts by you and Crni are perfect examples of the extreme irrational hatred you guys have for Trump. He has done something that is undeniably good, he has fulfilled a promise and kept jobs in America that were going to leave and you're STILL trying to make this a negative. You're STILL trying to find a way to get out of admitting Trump did something good.
     
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  2. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Irational hatred you say? Ah I see ...
    What negative or hate is coming from Toront and me?

    As far as I can tell the people of Flint Michigan are still without a job. Chicago and Detroit have still a giant criminal record. And US infrastructure is still a mess.

    Even with all my love for Sanders, I have no doubt that not even he could fulfill his promises in just 3 weeks after the ellection. Let us be real here for a second.

    Yeeeah, except that I am talking about promises like deporting 3 million illegals, returning Jobs to the US - on mass and many other claims. Is it shitting on Trump? No clue. You decide. I have the feeling that we're talking about two different things right now.

    All I am saying is, in all honesty now, that certain changes simply take TIME(!) what ever if I believe now that he can do it or not. Anything else would be delusional. Trump, no matter how succesfull you think he is, is after all a human, not Jesus Christ. A lot of what he says right now sounds positive, I don't denny that, but just saying that you want to see everything in the middle east fixed, from Israel to Syria, doesn't mean that it will happen in 3 weeks. Maybe Trump will be the guy to do it at some point, who knows? How do they say, only Nixon could go to China. So we have to wait and see. I am giving Trump a chance to show what he can do, but so far, relatively little has hapend - on a national level -, which is underrstandable, ... as it has been just 3 weeks, he hasn't even his full stuff ready.

    I am pretty sure, that some of what he did so far, has positive effects, how could it not? But many of the things he talked about during the ellection, simply require more then just 3 weeks to fix them all.

    Or do you want to tell me that he can make America great again in less then 1 month or something?
     
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  3. Vergil

    Vergil Banned

    Jul 8, 2014
    Your first response to good news is bitching, complaining and snide remarks because you can't handle being wrong about Trump.
    WOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE HE'S NOT GOING TO SOLVE EVERYTHING INSTANTLY BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN YOU CAN'T GIVE PROPS TO THE GOOD THINGS HE IS DOING ALREADY!
    This fucking mentality of "we can't talk about any successes until everything is totally fixed" is flat out retarded.
    Well A: He couldn't fulfill any of them B: No one is saying Trump is going to solve everything immediatly C: The point of the post is that bernie is a blatant hypocrite.
    Well sorry he hasn't solved everything all at once a month before even being President and that, that somehow makes him fulfilling some of his campaign promises before even getting into office in a field where it's expected for promises to never get fulfilled totally not worth some praise now for.... some reason.
    Well considering your first reaction to hearing Trump do something good is to reply with "LOL IT DOESN'T MATTER HE HASN'T SOLVED LITERALLY ALL OF THE PROBLEMS YET SO WHY EVEN BOTHER MENTIONING IT?!?!?!?!?!"
    .... what the fuck are you even talking about? No one is saying he's going to solve everything instantly, we're just saying he's done something impressive by already solving issues before getting into office.
    AND NO ONE SAID HE WAS!
    THIS DOESN'T MESH WITH WHAT WE'RE SAYING OR DOING AT ALL. THE WHOLE POINT IS THAT HIM ACCOMPLISHING SO MUCH ALREADY IS IMPRESSIVE, NOT THAT HE'S GONNA SOLVE EVERYTHING IN A DAY PLEASE LEARN HOW TO READ.
    And he's also done positive things but of course you have nothing to say but attempts to try and disparage any victory at all.
    Apparently not considering you won't even give him the smallest semblance of acknowledgement that he's already accomplished something.
    Well considering he's already saved thousands of jobs, met with multiple foreign leaders, and has gotton both Syria and Russia to declare they're ready for negotiations.... what the fuck does the man have to do to get you to admit he's done some pretty impressive stuff considering he's NOT EVEN FUCKING PRESIDENT YET!
    Ok? So? He's already fulfilled some promises now are we not allowed to be happy about that?
    No because no one was even saying that you moron.
     
  4. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Shoot me again. I ain't dead yet. Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Incorrect. I just won't claim he did something (as is the case here) when he isn't in power yet and things are likely to change, like his opinions on national security, healthcare, taxes, ideology, gun regulation, the electoral college, etc.

    I have praised him for various things he has said and did, perhaps not recently here since the debate is often meme based and pointless. Most recently his being elected making the stock market close at record highs was a big bonus. The purging of the lobbyists was also good, although ultimately it will do nothing. I'm in the "wait and see" category. I dislike the ruckus on all sides, including Trump and members of his band of alt right tin foil hat wearing crazies, as is the case with Alex Jones, as well as the SJW liberal transvestite rocketships.

    What is it with Trump supporters and the thin skin anyway? What is there to be really impressed by thus far? Backroom dealings for coveted positions in the government? For every good thing he has done or said there are two or three bad ones, so there has yet to be anything that makes me want to drop his pants and give him a reward. I must admit things are going relatively well considering how many people want him to fail.

    I blame the media for most of this. They have stirred up so much shit. The liberal media needs to be marginalized even more, but I'm not sure Bretibert and Fox News are a good replacement. Looks like YouTube is an option. Not Facebook, Reddit, 4Chan, or Twitter though.
     
  5. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I am a Bernie supporter, and I never made a secret out of that, so yeah, you can bet that I am biased against Trump. Curse me for it.

    However, I repeated several times, that I accept the outcome of thise ellection and that I am willing to see what he will do, because if Trump fails, it would be a disaster for millions of people! What lunatic would hope for that to happen? I am a sceptic when it comes to his campaign and ALL the promises he made there - which politican actually keeps all of his promises?- But maybe he will prove me wrong? And make EVERYTHING(!) in America great again and that he will be the President of ALL Americans. I would love to see that happen, simply because if Trump can make the lives of everyone great, then it would be certainly awesome, but he has yet to prove that, just like every president before him. How is that irrational hate? But there simply hasn't passed enough time yet - just like Toront said. For the people that suffer RIGHT NOW, a jump in the stock market, means very little, won't you agree?

    I at least can admit that I am somewhat irrational when it comes to Trump, granted I simply don't like his personality. But can you admit that some of your love for him is also irrational?
     
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  6. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Trump's not even president so... yeah, we'll have to wait at least a year.
     
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  7. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Exactly.
     
  8. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    For me, the celebration wasn't that Trump became president but that the Left lost and now has to reorganize itself with candidates that are actually good.
     
  9. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Eh ... I will believe in that, when I see it. The left is so stuck up in their own ass right now. It makes me almost wish I was a right wing nut job. It will take some serious work to clean it from all those SJW cunts, 'political correctness' and 'gender identiy politics' bullshit. Even some people I hold very dear ... fall in to that stuff. Biology? What's that! I WANT POLITICAL POWER, GIME GIME GIME!

    It kinda makes you wish for those old days - almost - you know when they had those real die hard marxists, socialists and all that, fighting the right and nazis in the streets. Those were at least ideals I could ... understand, even if I don't' share them.
     
  10. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    The thing that annoys me is that if the Left was the left they would have easily picked up all the lower-middle class to middle class voters that work in the heavy industries.
     
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  11. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I don't consider them 'left'. Let us say we had Trump vs. Bernie, regardless of what I think about Trump, but if the ellection was about Bernie and Trump, it would have been at least a REAL choice for the american people - for once. But Hilery was not even close to the left. Even thinking something like that is ludicrous. Why, in gods name, should any leftist vote for her? It was a farce.
     
  12. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Exactly, also the Democrats don't really have any strong identifiable stances... they're kind of the meh party.
     
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  13. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Yer fond of me Lobster!

    Oct 26, 2016
    I'm skeptical of Bernie "free shit" Sanders. We need to reduce the national debt, not increase it.
     
  14. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    "Free shit", yeah there's absolutely no catch to that whatsoever. :roll:

    Meanwhile:
     
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  15. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Free shit to all Communist party members. Now that's a deal I can get behind for.
     
  16. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    As you should be, of course.


    Something interesting though, a lot of the time americans say this 'free shit' is communism, costs just money yada yada. Yet, when you look at the details, you get a lot of free shit, for like a very long time already, and very few people are complaining about it. Like the police, fire fighters, basic education and a couple more.
    Also, tax cuts for the rich and corporations, can be basically seen as 'free shit' as well, as they relly on the same infrastructure that is provided to them by the government, but with tax cuts, they pay less for it from their profit.
    And the same goes for some 'die hard' right wing politicans, like Sarah Palin, she was relatively popular in Alaska. Why? Because she did probably one of the leftists things you can imagine. Increasing taxes on Oil and Gas companies.

    The Alaska Legislature adopted a plan proposed by Palin in 2007 (Alaska’s Clear and Equitable Share) that raised the tax that oil companies have to pay on their profits from a base rate of 22.5 percent to 25 percent. Oil companies, including ExxonMobil, opposed the tax hike, claiming it would affect their project investments. The revenue generated from the tax increase, which significantly added to the state’s budget surplus, allowed Palin’s administration to issue a one time "resource rebate" of $1,200 to eligible state residents in 2008 to help with increasing energy prices. The rebate came in addition to the annual dividend check ($2,069 in 2008) that residents receive as their part of the state’s oil wealth.

    Things are never just black and white. The american people are strange in some cases - but not only them - they hate the left, yet they agree with many of the ideas, when it comes to their own lives.
     
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  17. TransgenderVaultDeweller

    TransgenderVaultDeweller "Fallout 4 adds to the lore"

    426
    Aug 14, 2015
    Honestly, It's pathetic that America is the only first world country in the world that doesn't have universal health care, Or College tuition, In a time where most manufacture jobs are becoming automated (How the fuck are you going to solve that trump?) Where we should be going towards a service industry so that people can properly compete. I'm so sick and tired where people try to call these things free shit when you have no fucking clue how it works. Would you honestly have everyone have these things which are HUMAN RIGHTS, Or would you rather subsidise medical expenses and for emergencies that progress to said point because person couldn't have afford said things available to them from before due to no insurance or high co-payments or in worse case denied coverage flat out? Would you want more people to die and suffer for that? Personal story from me. But i had to get my wisdom teeth removed, Three of them that was about 1700 dollars, While insurance covered that i couldn't get my cavities done unless it is out of pocket that i don't have so i currently have to wait until January to get said coverage back than if it was a country that had universal health care which is a human right. But that is just another social justice lib cuck thing to say right?

    This election was fucking terrible, I voted for trump memes because you don't deserve to win the presidency when you cheat your only real progressive candidate from the election. Never mind she was a shill anyways and while Donald's carrier plan was a campaign promise, the stipulations from it will come in the form of more tax breaks. Where was the 35% tariff going to be slammed Donald? I mean, When i see people who have no fucking clue about health, care or economics try to unironically defend the trump tax plan of bringing back the Regan tax cuts i believe that were 28% which in essence is a rebirth of trickle down memes that caused the GDP to fucking plummet for years and contributed to the huge bubble in 2008. Like, You honestly can't be a republican in the united states and as reasonable person as the same time as they offer no palpable solutions as most deny climate change, deny abortion rights, want to teach creationism in school. Opposed Gay Rights. I could go on but beyond that they revoked the voters right act and perform heavy amounts of gerrymandering. Republicans have no valid positions for a sane person to take. They're in for reppealing for the affordable care act, Abolishing the IRS, Make it so its illegal to have your taxes done automatically and make so were invested wasted time/money for something that the IRS could do. Wanting a flat tax, Think this country is founded on christian principles when its founded on the beliefs of the enlightenment and most of the founding fathers are deist.

    The left has gone and fucked off into gender/identity politics and are in bed with the corporations and with wall street the same way most republicans are. They have no interest in the classical liberal values i believe in and many others as well. Also add continue illegalization of weed for the republicans as well. Bonus meme trumps cabinet has a person who believes that if you smoked weed before you're fucking a horrible person. Which is pretty stupid and i don't even smoke weed. The left has become nothing but a bunch of sellouts and frauds who are interested in attacking, White, heterosexual males and defending indefensible things like islam and third wave feminsim and being dishonest about the wage gap. Like, Both sides are fucking horrible and i can't even believe that the people in the middle of this. The people who actually want real progressive change and are pretty middle and open minded as it gets are the real ones who are losing here. I memed in this thread and said how fucking horrible clinton is and she is. Trump is terrible in different ways and objectively as he says he wants to get rid of the fda,epa, he said climate change is a chinese was a fucking hoax, wants to get out of the paris accord. Wanted to bring back water boarding and hell of a lot worse. insulted and attacked john mccain for being a veteran, Wanted to go after the family members of isis familes. His economic plan of installing tax cuts and of course said in a Howard stern interview he supported the war in iraq. Hillary was pretty terrible, Wanted a no fly zone, Supported fracking, Flipped flop on several issues including gay marriage which she still doesn't fully believe. She is in the pockets of wallstreet, Voted for the iraq war, bailed out wallstreet, Supported the Alaskan pipe line, Cheated and concluded the the former DNC chairman to screw over sanders. Called people deplorable and basement dwellers, Called Blacks super predators, Supported TPP and NAFTA. Engage in meme cleansing.

    Fucking horrible, just fucking horrible. What the actually fuck is wrong with this political world that we live in where both sides were horrible? Fuck the Democrates and Fuck the republicans. Can we actually make America again by evicting both of the parties from every foundation in government? I'll also say this one last time, yeah i voted for trump because at least trump was someone who i could actually make the democrats pay for, for their hubris and down right arrogance.

    Support these politicians please.

    dennis kucinich
    Bernie Sanders
    Ron Paul

    And probably others whom i can't even remember right now. fuck, fuck fuck!
     
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  18. SarcasticGoodGuy

    SarcasticGoodGuy *R O T T E N*

    Aug 31, 2016
    @TransgenderVaultDeweller wow you're so unreasonable, demanding good health in a first world country! Go back to Australia you fucking liberal SJW Marxist scum of the Earth. Bernie fucking Sanders? You don't know jackshit about politics if you vote for him- he's borderline Communist because The_Donald told me so. Go back to your fake news and blue hair.
     
  19. TransgenderVaultDeweller

    TransgenderVaultDeweller "Fallout 4 adds to the lore"

    426
    Aug 14, 2015

    nice spicy meme. Really makes you think, huh? :p
     
  20. SarcasticGoodGuy

    SarcasticGoodGuy *R O T T E N*

    Aug 31, 2016
    Just curious as to why you missed out the first capital letter, but had one for your second sentence. That's what's really making me think right now. If you're bigoted against first capital letters you are probably also bigoted against the first Americans, and therefore you are a racist.