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[SuAside]

Falklands a civil war? Hmm, it is Argentine soil after all, and as such, all born there are Argentines.

Only if you consider Argentina itself Spanish, much of the USA being British, and most of Europe being Italian? When does one stop claiming prior ownership? When does a war of liberation stop being "legitimate"?

The Falklands war was a political diversion aimed to create a common cause for the Argies, so that they could be distracted from internal political issues. Of course, now there's oil in the mix, so Argies will never give up. But frankly, they don't stand a chance since the Brits are even less likely to give up anytime soon.

 

[LordAshur]

I predict lots of sources from RT.com and one or two jabs at how people fall for American deception. Perhaps claims that there are no Russian troops in Ukraine and the dead bodies transported back from Donbass are actually pig carcasses, imported... Uh, for science.

There's a big difference between "invasion" and "not actively perventing your citizens for going to fight for a cause they thing is just". Plenty of Ukrainians took part in the Transdnestrian-Moldavian war, should it be renamed the Ukrainian-Moldavian war, or dubbed the Ukrainian invasion of Moldavia? There are also Croatian fascists fighting for the Ukrainians and our government isn't doing anything about it (our largest newspaper published an interview with a member of the Azov battalion calling for all Croats to go fight the "Super Chetniks" in Ukraine), I demand that we rename this war the Croatian invasion of Donbass!

What makes RT any less trustworthy than pro-western media houses?

No one denies Russian volunteers fight righteously defending their Donbass brothers and sisters, not even Russia.

Yeah, Russian volunteers serving in the Russian military, ordered there by Russian officers, under Russian policy, using Russian army weapons and vehicles.

And no, I don't agree, given that the Falklands were never Argentinian.

I don't understand why people think the Russian invasion is so wrong, well I get it if you're there but from a political standpoint... who would you rather? Nazis or Russians.

Uh, you do realize that Ukraine is not ruled by Nazis, right? How about you look at the results of the general election and the presidential vote before parroting Kremlin and separatist talk points.

Because Ukraine became a totally democratic society overnight, and the election results were totally not susceptible to any manipulation, and the leading figures can't just leave their fascist sympathies out of their party manifests.



Let me guess, you're from the butthurt belt, aren't you?

 

[Deleted member 53669]

From what I understand, Putin is correct in his statements about eastern parts of Ukraine not wanting to be part of the EU/Nato, andthe locals have fucking right to be scared shitless of the Neo-Nazi extremists that are floating around in the Ukrainian Armed Forces and government.

However, I'm not stupid.

Grozny, I remember Grozny.

HOWEVER, at the same time, I also remember Georgia. That failed CIA plot.

So how can you blame people for the paranoia really?

 

[LordAshur]

Also related (and yes, I'm aware that this might cause a shitstorm of SJW whining on why Janusz sucks without ever once touching the subject he is speaking about):



So... who's the evil dictatorship again?

 

[Crni Vuk]

Russia, because of tradition of course

 

[Gonzalez]

When does one stop claiming prior ownership?

150 years according to international law, but the clock goes back to zero if the occupation is interrupted at any point, like Argentina did moths before that happened in 1982. So we have another 118 years before we have to invade again

In the meantime we will do anything and everything to make UK occupation as unprofitable as we can.

 

[Deleted member 53669]

Speaking of the Cold War in progress.




*Russian strategy*

Potato is super-effective.

 

[Gonzalez]

Isn't the Su-24 the plane that Russians wanted to sell to Argentina? Maybe that was a sales demonstration.

 

[Deleted member 53669]

Yeah. The Russians have thousands of old 60's-90's military tech in reserve.

When I look at the military equipment quantity evaluations on the Russian side through Google I feel that my leg is being pulled. It is obvious that Russia's strategy is to take technology they've used for decades and outfit them with more advanced systems.

It's obvious asymmetrical development. NATO tries to pour trillions of dollars in developing the most advanced military systems while Russia instead of taking the bait and ruining it's economy, tries to disable those systems with 1/20th of the cost.


It's not certain, but there are lots of things to indicate that Russia/China have radar technology that can detect our stealth aircraft, as well as missile systems that are more advanced than ours.

And the philosophy is to outfit these systems on fucking Mig-21s. Well not Mig-21's specifically, but you get the idea.

 

[Gonzalez]

Excellent for asymmetrical fights like say, Argentina vs the UK. And then people wonder why I root for the ruskies and why my country conducts more and more bilateral relations with them.

 

[LordAshur]

When does one stop claiming prior ownership?

150 years according to international law, but the clock goes back to zero if the occupation is interrupted at any point, like Argentina did moths before that happened in 1982. So we have another 118 years before we have to invade again

In the meantime we will do anything and everything to make UK occupation as unprofitable as we can.

Meh. Just remember, before finding yourself in another pointless war, that land belongs to the living, not the dead. If you want the Malvinas so badly, I think the best way to do it would be to make it more profitable for them to be a part of Argentina than the UK.

Just like Russia got Crimea back

 

[Tagaziel]

There's a big difference between "invasion" and "not actively perventing your citizens for going to fight for a cause they thing is just". Plenty of Ukrainians took part in the Transdnestrian-Moldavian war, should it be renamed the Ukrainian-Moldavian war, or dubbed the Ukrainian invasion of Moldavia? There are also Croatian fascists fighting for the Ukrainians and our government isn't doing anything about it (our largest newspaper published an interview with a member of the Azov battalion calling for all Croats to go fight the "Super Chetniks" in Ukraine), I demand that we rename this war the Croatian invasion of Donbass!

Ah yes, another Putin apologist. The presence of Russian armed forces in Donbass is well documented (in no small part thanks to the assassinated Russian opposition leader, Boris Nemtsov), but of course, you will post some video by Krul making a fool of himself, with no sources to back it up than a senile old man who's quite likely on Kremlin's payroll - or should be.

What makes RT any less trustworthy than pro-western media houses?

The fact that it's controlled directly by the Kremlin? It gets criticized for being a propaganda tube even within Russia. And yes, I link to Wikipedia, because it's a neat synthesis of every source available and quite reliable too - unless you're some kind of tin-foil conspiracy theorist.

Because Ukraine became a totally democratic society overnight, and the election results were totally not susceptible to any manipulation, and the leading figures can't just leave their fascist sympathies out of their party manifests.

I'm not sure whether you're simply ignorant or just trolling. Which leading figures have fascist sympathies in their party manifests?

From what I understand, Putin is correct in his statements about eastern parts of Ukraine not wanting to be part of the EU/Nato, andthe locals have fucking right to be scared shitless of the Neo-Nazi extremists that are floating around in the Ukrainian Armed Forces and government.

Then you understand wrong. Putin has astroturfed a separatist movement and then outright invaded. The locals are actually scared shitless of the insurgents and their brand of "justice." You know, abductions, torture, mass graves? There are instances of abuse among governmental forces, primarily the volunteer battalions, but nothing quite on the scale perpetrated by the separatists.

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanitarian_situation_during_the_war_in_Donbass#War_crimes

Again, Wikipedia, as it is a decent and fairly neutral source.

Just like Russia got Crimea back

You mean military invasion, occupation, annexation, and turning its economy into a giant sinkhole?

 

[Deleted member 53669]

LOL at believing one source.

 

[Tagaziel]

LOL at believing one source.

Hundreds, actually, but to list every single reference would be a bit tiresome.

 

[Deleted member 53669]

If you become interested in politics in any ACTUAL capacity that involves game theory and political science, HUMINT and SIGINT, or anything related,

You realize that, eh what am I saying.

LOL & NATO PSYOPS.

 

[Tagaziel]

I'm interested and involved in politics - I simply reject conspiracy thinking out of hand and take facts for what they are, not what I'd prefer them to be.

 

[LordAshur]

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Maybe you didn't see my question, but you increase my certainty of you being from the butthurt belt. And as I said, you just attack Janusz because you don't have a single argument against him.

In no small thanks to a dude who was in fact entirely objective in the whole matter, no conflict of interest there whatsoever...

Why the fuck would Crimea ever want to return to Ukraine. It's ethnically Russian, the referendum has proven that most of its population wants it to be a part of the Russian Federation. Putin has even allowed for the Tatars that Stalin exiled to return to Crimea, which no Ukrainian government has ever done, but your social concerns somehow just disappear when they don't offer a reason to hate Russia, let alone the fact that the pensions and government employee wages ere doubled, but your social concerns somehow disappear when you should be thanking Russia for them. Ergo the butthurt belt assumption.

And you actually took that seriously? You seriously believe that Ukraine became a democratic overnight? I come from a country that had a similar situation in the 90s, and while the dominant party never was openly fascist, most people knew that it in fact was.

What the man (Janusz) is saying isn't even denied by the western media (and you know as well as I do that they'd tear the Russian media a new one if it was an outright lie and they could prove it). I know an example I'm sure of - a dude (I think he was a journalist, but certainly an activist) in Montenegro being killed due to his pro-Russian, anti-NATO stance. So don't try to hide your Russophobia under such noble pretenses

And.. wikipedia? Let's keep it serious, shall we?

 

[Deleted member 53669]

I'm interested and involved in politics - I simply reject conspiracy thinking out of hand and take facts for what they are, not what I'd prefer them to be.

Then you would have to accept that even though the Soviet Union isn't the most ethically consistent country, most, if not all of their military activities of the 20th and 21st centuries have been reactionary to aggressive U.S. foreign policy and socialist-phobia.

You would also know that conspiracy is THE bedrock for intelligence and counter-intelligence.

You silly silly kitty cat.



Also I'm not readying behind Lord Ashur's, or Gonzales's posts because they are pro-russian for some reason.

Go live there.


I'm happy that Putin is keeping the U.S. in check, however my political allegiances and nationalism doesn't extend beyond the vagina of the one who births my child.


Ya dumb fools.

 

[Crni Vuk]

And what are the secret armies of the NATO for you?



If we critizise Russia for beeing shitty than we have to be also aware that we bow to a Mafia organisation called NATO.

 

[Hassknecht]

Yeah, but the NATO are the good guys.