V:TM - Bloodlines

UniversalWolf said:
That's one of the great things about older games.
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Lol, i payed a lot of money for a Crossfire system to run games on maximum and now most of my time is spent kicking around in Fallout. Battlefield or as of now, Vampire.
 
Personally, I almost never buy games when they're new. If you wait a year or two or three you can get them at half the price, or even less. In some cases you can get them for much less. I upgrade my system about once every five years, and then I get a bunch of old games that run very fast, have most of the bugs worked out, and have tons of mods.
 
ARGH! I was replaying the game, and the Chinese Temple is getting even more annoying.

Also, never EVER play as a melee character, because those endgame bosses render any melee aptitude completely useless.

Well, I guess it was sort of worth suffering through just to see my Malk giving Nines the finger :lol:
 
[spoiler:f84bf50267]In retrospect I find Beckett to be an unreconcilable character. He's possibly a materialist and certainly a hard-core skeptic, and yet he's a vampire who knows that ghosts, werewolves, and all sorts of other phenomena are real. If you were a vampire who knew that ghosts and werewolves were real, how hard would it be to believe in antidiluvian elder vampires from Mesopotamia? Yet he blows off that possibility as preposterous.

And he has a really bad haircut.[/spoiler:f84bf50267]
 
TheRatKing said:
Played it, loved it. Got by as a smokin hot Toreador with loads of charisma and intelligence. After listening to VMB voice overs, Fallout 3 is crap.
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Too many unique characters causes worse dialogue. I prefer small fleshed-out areas than giant expanses of land. Oh, and spending money on Liam Neeson, an unskilled voice actor wasn't too great of an idea. McDowell was great (if mildly hilarious due to his accent) but Neeson just sounded bored.

I might buy this. Dunno if I really feel like it though. I'm saving up for BioShock 2 and Mass Effect 2.
 
UniversalWolf said:
[spoiler:74f40eed6e]In retrospect I find Beckett to be an unreconcilable character. He's possibly a materialist and certainly a hard-core skeptic, and yet he's a vampire who knows that ghosts, werewolves, and all sorts of other phenomena are real. If you were a vampire who knew that ghosts and werewolves were real, how hard would it be to believe in antidiluvian elder vampires from Mesopotamia? Yet he blows off that possibility as preposterous.

And he has a really bad haircut.[/spoiler:74f40eed6e]
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Well, [spoiler:74f40eed6e]he is a vampire historian and all; I mean maybe it's not that hard to believe, but if there hasn't been a precedent in the past, that could easily explain his skepticism. And I mean, he turns out to be right in retrospect.[/spoiler:74f40eed6e]
 
Being a skeptic simply means that you want something to be well supported by argument or evidence before you accept is as fact. B clearly had good reason to accept that the things you speak of are real, but not so good reason to accept the other occurance as truth. Just because you're a skeptic doesn't mean you'll accept anything occult as truth because one occult thing turns out to be true.
 
That didn't stop them from getting pretty worked up about it in Bloodlines, though.

Also, I'm not sure they deny their existence as such, because they should have existed at some point, as their ancestors.
 
Ausdoerrt said:
That didn't stop them from getting pretty worked up about it in Bloodlines, though.

Also, I'm not sure they deny their existence as such, because they should have existed at some point, as their ancestors.
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Camarilla claims that even if Antedilluvians existed, they are long dead.
 
Dead Guy said:
Being a skeptic simply means that you want something to be well supported by argument or evidence before you accept is as fact.
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True, but he's not open minded about it at all. He rejects it as preposterous and ridicules anyone who suggests otherwise. That makes sense in the real world, but in a world where ghosts and vampires and werewolves are real, it doesn't seem like such an implausibility. In other words, superstition seems much more justifiable among vampires who are aware of the supernatural world and all the unexplained things that live in it.
 
One has to understand that there are many myths amongst Vampires about their past .About their origin, history etc etc.

Also there are sightings/reports of antedeluvians everywhere. And with Gehena around the corner (another myth) things get pretty hysteric.

Since Bekett comes around he has seen/heard alot of those hysteria and its not surprising at all he is sceptic.
 
UniversalWolf, how does him being a vamp and living in a world with werewolves and such make him being a sceptic odd?

he's still a scientist & a historian. for him, it (existence of vampires, ghouls, ghosts,...) is mere reality and he has studied it. this whereas Gehenna (sp?) is not realistic (for him at least). it's more of a religion and fairy tale than anything else for him.

can you blame him? he's one of the few sane people in the game, actually.
 
SuAside said:
UniversalWolf, how does him being a vamp and living in a world with werewolves and such make him being a sceptic odd?

he's still a scientist & a historian. for him, it (existence of vampires, ghouls, ghosts,...) is mere reality and he has studied it. this whereas Gehenna (sp?) is not realistic (for him at least). it's more of a religion and fairy tale than anything else for him.

can you blame him? he's one of the few sane people in the game, actually.
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This is what I wanted to get at... If you've lived with werewolves and ghosts for hundreds of years they probably don't seem so supernatural anymore.
 
Yes and no. Kindred usualy dont know much about werewolfs and ghosts.
Heck the average werewolf does only know a fraction about his own kind.
 
Lynette said:
Yes and no. Kindred usualy dont know much about werewolfs and ghosts.
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Maybe that's true for regular vampires but not for Beckett. He says himself how usual and unimportant for him are such things as ghosts. "I generally pay wraiths no mind" the line is if I remember correctly.
 
Lynette said:
Yes and no. Kindred usualy dont know much about werewolfs and ghosts.
Heck the average werewolf does only know a fraction about his own kind.
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What are you basing this on? The game had characters that were under 100 years old most of which had other things to worry about. All they need to know was: "Oh see that Werewolf?" "Yea?" "Run like hell!".

But their were also characters, which were mentioned but you only got to meet a few like Maximillian Strauss, Beckett, Pisha, LaCroix, that dude from the Sabbat whom have been around long enough or did their own research to gain extensive insight to the supernatural.

Also just how long are you in the game? It feels like its always night in LA. Whatever the time spend of the game was it could not have been more then a few nights if not only two. Whatever it was it did not feel long enough to grasp a clear understanding on what the average vampire may or may not know.
 
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