What kind of weapons do you want to see in F3?
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GatewaysToAnnihilation
First time out of the vault
*'50s McCarthy witchhunt atmosphere*
I would like to purify my name, as I am NOT, and I repeat, NOT a Communist...
I mean, one-of-those-sword-junkies.
My idea, was definitely not a SWORD, as we know it. I never thought about smithing a weapon, what is stupid.
THIS was my idea.
I would like to purify my name, as I am NOT, and I repeat, NOT a Communist...
I mean, one-of-those-sword-junkies.
My idea, was definitely not a SWORD, as we know it. I never thought about smithing a weapon, what is stupid.
THIS was my idea.
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Sorry, but IMHO, that picture only shows how ignorant of swordsmithing you are... A sword can't be made like that, and even if it could, why not use the "something to sharpen" instead of the sword? 
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
You mean like those blades from Mad Max2? Is that it?
requiem_for_a_starfury
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Do you mean the boomerang? Not all Mad Max stuff should be in Fallout, there's enough easter eggs to him as it is. Just because someone might do such and such after the apocalypse doesn't mean it'll belong in Fallout's setting.
Again Fallout established that in it's fictional universe there is an abundance of prewar tech still around. Plus with the likes of the Brotherhood, the Enclave and probably the vaults recreating energy weapons and other advanced weapons why would someone want to create such a crude and clumsy weapon?
More likely if they've found a decent piece of scrap metal they'd trade it on to those who can reclaim it and use it to more useful means.
Again Fallout established that in it's fictional universe there is an abundance of prewar tech still around. Plus with the likes of the Brotherhood, the Enclave and probably the vaults recreating energy weapons and other advanced weapons why would someone want to create such a crude and clumsy weapon?
More likely if they've found a decent piece of scrap metal they'd trade it on to those who can reclaim it and use it to more useful means.
GatewaysToAnnihilation
First time out of the vault
It would make a better start weapon than a knife for sure... 
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
I don't know about that gameBriosafreak said:
What I meant was something like the... urhmm... rebarbadeira?!?! 
I don't know how to say it in english Mad Max 2 is a movie. "Mad Max: The Road Warrior". It's probably the most famous post-apocalyptic movie ever made. That said, it's about halfway there in terms of what's fitting the fallout setting.
So... There's still no compelling reason for a wasteland smith to be smithing up swords. If he were making a survival weapon, he'd want an axe. To fight an armored man you want an impact weapon to knock him down and pulverize him, or a heavy spiked weapon to drive the spikes through the armor. The only reason you can damage someone in powered armor in Fallout (2) with a simple blade is the abstraction of RPG combat. In a real situation if someone in Powered Armor was attacked by a sword-wielder he could parry the blows with his "Bare" (metal-shod) hands and snap it in two. Only the sharpest, highest-quality swords, which I guarantee are not what you smith out of old car bits, have any chance of ever cutting through even mundane metals, nevermind 1/2" plate armor designed to ward off 7.62 NATO rounds and worse. Better still have a firearm and engage the armored man from a distance!
Plus, just look through your town's telephone directory, I bet you'll find the ratio of automotive (or other machine) shops is at least 10/1 to places that can smith, most likely 20/1, that is if you even have ANYPLACE that can smith. And as has been said, if you have such tools you can make a gun. From a simple homemade shotgun to a Sten machine pistol, offensive capabilities far beyond the sword are available at the fraction of the cost, both in materials and training.
Unless they are pre-war relics, there will be no swords as we know them in the Fallout universe. Machetes, yes, big knives, yes. Crude sharpened chopping weapons used by tribals, crazies, and other people without access to all but the simples of tools; taking a form dictated by the original metal only because means to re-shape it are not on hand, yes. But NOBODY will be smithing swords.
So... There's still no compelling reason for a wasteland smith to be smithing up swords. If he were making a survival weapon, he'd want an axe. To fight an armored man you want an impact weapon to knock him down and pulverize him, or a heavy spiked weapon to drive the spikes through the armor. The only reason you can damage someone in powered armor in Fallout (2) with a simple blade is the abstraction of RPG combat. In a real situation if someone in Powered Armor was attacked by a sword-wielder he could parry the blows with his "Bare" (metal-shod) hands and snap it in two. Only the sharpest, highest-quality swords, which I guarantee are not what you smith out of old car bits, have any chance of ever cutting through even mundane metals, nevermind 1/2" plate armor designed to ward off 7.62 NATO rounds and worse. Better still have a firearm and engage the armored man from a distance!
Plus, just look through your town's telephone directory, I bet you'll find the ratio of automotive (or other machine) shops is at least 10/1 to places that can smith, most likely 20/1, that is if you even have ANYPLACE that can smith. And as has been said, if you have such tools you can make a gun. From a simple homemade shotgun to a Sten machine pistol, offensive capabilities far beyond the sword are available at the fraction of the cost, both in materials and training.
Unless they are pre-war relics, there will be no swords as we know them in the Fallout universe. Machetes, yes, big knives, yes. Crude sharpened chopping weapons used by tribals, crazies, and other people without access to all but the simples of tools; taking a form dictated by the original metal only because means to re-shape it are not on hand, yes. But NOBODY will be smithing swords.
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Ah! I know! I rememberLord 342 said:
It's probably one of the most famous movies ever xD I haven't seen it, but I heard very good things of it.
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
I just remembered an important factor that comes into play most of the times...Taste? Personal flavor? Just for fun? People would smith weapons just for fun, if they like it... It is plausible. Of course, not everone would have access to stories and fictions about swords and swordsmen, and even less people would have swordsmithing technologies and skills, so it would be very very veyr unlikely to find someone swordsmithing for fun (or for the profit, as other people would probably buy swords just for fun, or for decoration). But it's always possible.
And don't you DARE say it's not possible!
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Sorry about the double post
And don't you DARE say it's not possible!
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Sorry about the double post
You'd think that someone who's sorry about a double post would delete it.
This is a post-apocalyptic world where you need to struggle to survive. You don't just start a year-long, tough project for *fun*.
...Morbus said:
This is a post-apocalyptic world where you need to struggle to survive. You don't just start a year-long, tough project for *fun*.
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
That's correct, and I remembered that before I posted, but there are some rich people in fallout who don't need to struggle that much. It's very unlikely, but just imagine a japanese mafia leader that survived the war (somehow). Even though it's not unlikely he keep some sort of cerimonial katana, it's not impossible he wouldn't try to make others...Sander said:
I know, it's very unlikely, but Fallout's world has its highs and lows (i.e. rich and poor folks).
And about the DP
I have no excuse... :lightning:
...Morbus said:
I'd rather not imagine *any* Japanese mafia in Fallout. They don't belong.
...Morbus said:
A katana now?
What the fuck? A functional katana is even harder to create than a broadsword. Ugh.
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
I'll have to agree with that oneSander said:
I said katana because I was talking about a japanese, and thus... And yeah, katanas are probably the most hard-to-create swords as they are probably the best swords there is ^^Sander said:
Even so, if well placed, a sword would not be "misplaced" per se, in a fallout setting. The only thing would be "place" it correctly in it... And with logic.
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I just saw this:
Well, I, too, would like to purify my nameGatewaysToAnnihilation said:
I AM a communist, and I repeat, not joking, I AM a communist.Way offtopic, anyway, but I couldn't live without this =D
Errr...no, they're not the 'best' swords there are, they are *different* swords.Morbus said:
As for this:
Translation: 'If done fittingly, it would fit.'Morbus said:
A pretty useless statement.
But, as said before, a single katana placed somewhere might work, but not if you go the 'people create swords!!!' route.
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Oup... Lol...Sander said:
Yeah. I understand what you mean. I agree with you, too. I just think that forgetting the "for fun" factor is wrong, so I said that. But no, people wouldn't create swords just like that, because they wouldn't be better than other cheaper weapons, just as you said.Sander said:
entropomorphic
First time out of the vault
While we're on the subject, why weren't there crossbowmen in the game of Chess? Every time I play, I wish there was some piece I could use to attack safely from a distance. What were the designers of Chess thinking when they omitted any ranged piece? I mean, obviously the technology existed during the time period that Chess is set in. SO unrealistic! Chess sucks!
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er, sarcasm aside, homemade crossbows or other spring-powered arrow-chuckers would probably fit well into the fallout universe. There was one (and only one) spear-gun in Tactics, but it really sucked.
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er, sarcasm aside, homemade crossbows or other spring-powered arrow-chuckers would probably fit well into the fallout universe. There was one (and only one) spear-gun in Tactics, but it really sucked.
Morbus
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
A Bow is much easier to make and more reliable, too, although it doesn't provide as much firepower and accuracy. However, a crossbow wouldn't stand a chance against even the weakest of fireguns... Then again, only a ceremonial crossbow or such would fit, not as a standard weapon, just like swords. On the other hand, only tribal communities (and not all of them) would really need a crossbow, and, again, a bow would be more fit and reliable, both for hunting AND fighting. More quick, cheaper and easier to carry.
And here we go again.
Building a fucntional crossbow is time-consuming and difficult. Not to mention fucking pointless because there are guns.
Building a fucntional crossbow is time-consuming and difficult. Not to mention fucking pointless because there are guns.
LIES!Morbus said:
bow are just as accurate and powerful as crossbows. bows also have greater range than crossbows. thee crossbow's rate of fire is also much slower, which is why crossbowmen had one or two apprentises to load his two or three crossbows.
the reason why armies shifted from bows to crossbows is because a mediumly skilled crossbowman takes one week to train, while training a mediumly skilled crossbowman takes one YEAR. if you need to train some peasants for war, you do the math.
as for the crafting difficulty: it is harder to find good wood and finely craft a good bow, while a crossbow is in fact just 1 piece of random wood, 3 pieces of metal and string.
in reality, a highly skilled bowman is far superior to a highly skilled crossbowman...
anyhow, a crossbow (or alternatively springgun/harpoonish thing) would be a good weapon for trappers. cheap, easy to make from salvage, plenty ammo that can be crafted and the ammo can be reused unless the bolt struck a solid surface and shattered.