ThatZenoGuy
Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism
Looks like you're describing Fo1-2's system! ;P
What the fuck happened to Fallout 4's Armour!?
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Ediros
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
Not exactly. In Fallout 1 and 2.
We only had specific resistances and DT.
Like laser 90% DR and 15 DT.
My system adds another layer between them. Unless, it is kinetic force than it works the same. It is similar, but much better than shitout 3 and 4 .
ThatZenoGuy
Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism
Oh! So you want DT, DR, AND specific DR's?
Hmmm, that could work, but it seems like it adds a layer which doesn't do much...
IndignantHedgehog
It Wandered In From the Wastes
I'd just prefer NV's system, just with the 20% min decreased to 5-10%
Ediros
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
In a way yes, you are correct. It is hard to balace it, but it mostly came from Fallout 1 and 2 energy weapons being best end game weapon, thus making guns obsolete.
In my system energy weapons lose more power due to another layer, allowing guns to be still viable.
We could also go for more damage types, like slashing, piercing etc.
ThatZenoGuy
Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism
Well, lets be fair here.
Of course a plasma rifle should do more damage than a hunting rifle...
Making them 'balanced' is like saying there should be a mechanic which makes leather armour comparable to power armour, because 'lategame, leather armour became obsolete'...
Of course a plasma rifle should do more damage than a hunting rifle...
Making them 'balanced' is like saying there should be a mechanic which makes leather armour comparable to power armour, because 'lategame, leather armour became obsolete'...
Ediros
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
That is not what I want. It is still just a suggestion.
You are free to completely ignore it.
I just wanted to keep power of the weapons without just giving them more damage.
It made sense to me, if you put a protective layer it should work on it's own.
ThatZenoGuy
Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism
Well, I kinda liked how Fallout 1-2 did armour semi-realistically.
DT is how much damage is can flat out ignore, while DR was how much less it could make the resulting trauma.
DR AND specific DR doesn't make much sense, considering the specific DR is already considering kinetic damage in most cases (plasma DR, etc)
I like the individual armour pieces and the mix-and-match system like they used in Morrowind, but they somehow managed to make most armours look pretty terrible. Especially combat armour looks useless at best and completely terrible at best. Super clunky. The Marine armour in Far Harbour is even worse than normal combat armour.
Who thought that this was a good idea?
This looks almost as big as a power armour...
Who thought that this was a good idea?
This looks almost as big as a power armour...
ThatZenoGuy
Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism
I like the individual armour pieces and the mix-and-match system like they used in Morrowind, but they somehow managed to make most armours look pretty terrible. Especially combat armour looks useless at best and completely terrible at best. Super clunky. The Marine armour in Far Harbour is even worse than normal combat armour.
Who thought that this was a good idea?
This looks almost as big as a power armour...
*Shivers*
You know...Of all the things they SHOULD have added, was NCR scrapped power armour...
0wing
Все умрут, а я волномут
Well, Bethesda are not that passionate about their work, who'd guess that. And they fired people responsible for armor design in Skyrim. How else it's possible to explain that bullshit.
That's why I'd rather The Witcher 3 armor system instead of Morrowind, looks more immersive that way. In FO4 armor pieces are simply too small or too big.
The system can work out totally fine, but Beth went all "HEY FALLOUT TAKES PLACE IN THE 50s EVERYTHING IS SUPER THICK SHEET METAL SO COMBAT ARMOUR MUST BE LIKE 500 TONS RIGHT". There are a lot of armour mods that look absolutely fine and work well with that system... But that usually requires people with a sense of taste and aesthetics.
0wing
Все умрут, а я волномут
Well, PS4 players stuck with default armor. And Bethesda's lack of sense of taste didn't find it's way out in Fallout 3 and Skyrim, things went retarded in FO4, when it become necessary to properly adjust armor pieces toghether into a not weird looking piece of plates.
And another crappy point about armor pieces. You'll never find a full armor set in stores until you've invested some time into leveling yourself. In Morrowind, it's possible to just buy a set of bone armor just after the arrival in Bruma.
Ediros
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
I have got a new idea. Keep the Fallout 1 and 2 system, but add temporary buffs and debuffs more or less.
Let's say you swim in the water. Then you are harder to be injured by fire but take more damage from electric based attacks.
Although that makes drugs kind of useless, when you get good armour.
Let's say you swim in the water. Then you are harder to be injured by fire but take more damage from electric based attacks.
Although that makes drugs kind of useless, when you get good armour.
ThatZenoGuy
Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism
Drugs were always useful, even in FO1-2, psycho was a fuckign amazing chem.
Makta
The DICKtator
Zerginfestor
dear god, the scrapping
You mean the AP rounds that didn't work?
wut? Which AP round that didn't work? So far I used 5.56, SWC .44 and 357, Flechette, and they seemed to work fine. Is it .308 or .50?
Anyhow, yes, the armor in 4 are godawful, with Leather heavy armor with studded mod for maximum DR and ER made you look like some fetishboy into BDSM.
Heavy Metal Armor was 'meh' until you looked at the shoulders and back of the torso. The Shoulder armor on heavy made you look like a wannabe-saiyan, and the torso armor in the back has some kind of rolled up thing on it, which looks so out of place. The Tire as well looks fucking stupid and I was hoping Heavy Armor would get rid of it. Suggestion: Use Medium armor for the arms, feels not as stupid.
Heavy Combat armor is eesh all around. The Torso's back armor made you look like a turtle, and the paintjobs on the upgrades made it even worse, like the polymer upgrade suddenly made you wear white fucking armor. Someone made a carbon steel mod for the combat armor to make it less "jesus fucking christ", but it's still bleh because of the overall design.
Heavy Synth Armor is bad. Just plain bad. Makes no sense in use, and the arms and legs are fucking idiotic. Field Helmet with the right mods looks dank, tho.
Marine armor is stupid, period.
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Makta
The DICKtator
The AP rounds in F2 and maybe F1 aswell? didn't work properly so they were pretty much useless unless you patched the game. The unofficial patch fixed it.
Zerginfestor
dear god, the scrapping
Oh, I was talking about NV. Lol.
ThatZenoGuy
Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism
You mean the AP rounds that didn't work?
9_6
W-Well yes.
Admittedly they botched the numbers.
But upon patching unofficially, its obvious the system works, quite well.