If ever there was need for fo3/NV style jaming it would be with this gun
What the fuck happened to Fallout 4's weapons?
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Prone Squanderer
A bit of a Sillius Soddus.
Not stop it completely, but they would have cracked down hard.
The government's forces were already stretched thin trying to support a massive war in China, the occupation of every major city in Canada, and mass civil unrest in most American cities due to food and energy shortages.
I honestly doubt they had the forces to even try to effectively enforce a limit on handmade weapons
But where are you basing that they had pre war weapons like that at all ? Because we do see that in any of fallout pre-war sence f04/fo3. Not to say that was't though but I think there would be much more variation. Not like 3 types of pipe weapons. They should of been like rarer weapons etc
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They appear on pre-war magainzes, and pipe guns are a real world thing that exists right now.
We also wouldn't see them in previous games. Fallout 1/2 took place mostly in desert regions, and small towns, or post-war towns.
The only places we would have logically seen them is in the ruins of places like LA or San Fran, but we only get to see very small portions of both in Fallout 1/2.
Prone Squanderer
A bit of a Sillius Soddus.
Despite said food and energy shortages, riots and New Plague, the common man was able to find time and gather enough materials to create enough guns for everyone in the Commonwealth?
I'm not saying they couldn't make some guns, but the amount found is ridiculous.
Most of the ones we see are likely post-war creations by raiders or farmers
I'm agreeing but I'm also under the impression it would be pretty silly to has well has there would be other guns to use and tons of things to use as mele weapons
Dr Fallout
Centurion
You have a very good point, but did it ever occur to you that while the government was quelling civil unrest through force that maybe searching and taking away handmade guns was part of that crackdown?
Government forces would too busy trying to stop things like food riots to go door to door and try to take everyone's homemade guns.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Not necessarily. If the government used their armed forces to purge/arrest entire areas they would go trashing the house and checking for guns. Also, if they're fighting rioters with armed weapons... doesn't it make sense to confiscate these same weapons to ensure that putting down riots was easier?
Well they didn't.
Sure, from the people who actively fought them. Not everyone was, and indeed, most people weren't.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
How do you know they didn't? That's standard procedure if a city is rioting and you're not really sure who's part of the riots (the Germans did it a lot, especially in Jewish areas).
But they don't know who the rioters were, so for the sake of security they would try to 'quarantine' entire areas. Remember, they were fighting a war against their own people.
Because literally nothing has stated as such in any of the games. And until something does state they did, then they did not. that is how canon works.
What you said makes no sense. OFC they knew who the rioters were, they were actively smacking the crap out of them. Government soldiers had power armor. Even if there was 1,000 people all with pipe guns, two guys in PA could take the guns from all of them.
Also, you have to remember. The government was fighting a three front war, all the top heads of state had effectively vanished several months before the great war, the entire political and social structure of America had largely collapsed.
This wasn't some organized occupation by government forces, it was a scattered and confused attempt to keep the peace that wasn't working worth a damn since they simply lacked the resources needed to make it work.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
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Right, so umm... where does this whole 'oh they made homemade pipe guns and kept them' bullshit come from? That we find pipe guns in a house... after 200 years (who knows who put them there).
I don't think you understand how riots work. The government would obviously know who's a rioter.... WHEN they're rioting which makes catching possible delinquents and traitors outside of these riots extremely difficult because of how rioters obscure their face or melt into the general chaos (there's a reason why rioting mobs are oft considered a giant single entity). Hence the best way is to quarantine an area in which the government is sure to have a couple if not more rioters.
You don't need to be genius to work out how to deal with rioting cities.
Actually, it was. They had PA units (wonder how units that were supposed to be in China came to be in America without organization) and military crackdowns.
Hmm, I feel like I already answered this.
Same way they had PA in Canada? You are aware not all the PA was being sent to China in the first place right? Like, they didn't send it to china and bring it back.
And again, the government lacked the forces needed to effectively do that. they had numerous checkpoints set up around the city, and were stopping people's cars and searching them, but they didn't have the forces needed to quarantine large parts of the city and go door to door.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Wow! A magazine surely proves that the average joe was making guns, and not criminal street gangs.
Yes and? Riot control is also a real thing that exists in this world
This whole first sentence is irrelevant because I don't know exactly what it's even arguing. What, that PA units weren't supposed to be in China, meaning that they were ordered to the US which only proves my point it was organized.
Hmm, that's never mentioned anywhere now I think of it...
Yes, the magazine, as well as the many pre-placed pipe guns in the hands of skeletons of pre-war people surely isn't proof that people were making pipeguns. Are you being deliberately obtuse?
Except it doesn't prove your point, because you don't need massive organization to direct some PA troop to American cities. Especially not in Boston which was doing several major PA improvement projects at places like Fort Strong and Cambridge Polymer Labs.
I'm pretty sure it is in a holotape somewhere.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
The magazine is worthless, because it doesn't actually prove that pipe guns were in wide circulation and that they were not limited to gangs or Detroit. Also, how do we know they were Pre-war skeletons? Remember, 200 years is a long time and per-war clothes were worn by others.
But you do, especially if you're pulling away men from a military front... here's a direct quote from the Fallout Bible. Remember, some had to go across the Pacific, Alaska and Canada to arrive in the States, meaning that yes, large amounts of organization was needed to move them. I just love the Fallout Bible.
'The first domestic use of Power Armor within the United States for crowd and
quarantine control. Units originally serving in China and the Anchorage Front
Line find themselves fighting Americans at home. Food riots increase, and
many civilians are killed. Several soldiers defect from the military both in
Canada and the United States. They are captured, and are sent to military
prisons.'
Weak and unorganized indeed.
So no, you don't have anything.
Because you can find them on skeletons of people behind locked doors that have been locked for 200 years
The Fallout bible is non-canon, as stated by Avellone himself. Only the parts of it directly mentioned in-game are canon. Like that one Vault in Fallout 3 where they released hallucinogenic gas into the vault first being mentioned in the Bible.
Off the top of my head, no. But basic observational skills, and a complete lack of anyone mentioning they did any such thing proves they did not.