What weapon do you think fallout is missing the most?

[Lord 342]

Dunno if it's been said but the baseball bat is suspisciously missing from Fallout and there's only one in FO2 which requires doing an unsavory and little-known quest to obtain.

Axes of all sort, from hatchets to fire axes to wood chopping axes are also missing.

While an actual medieval sword is completely lost in Fallout, and the Katana fits only as a WWII souvenier (probability of finding: .0001% or so -the wakizashi in FO2 should have been reversed with the Slugger), there's certainly a precedent for a long-bladed weapon. A machette makes an excellent weapon, and the blade of a scythe can be adapted as an instument of war as peasants have done for centuries. People aren't going to leave a factory-made, 30" edge go to waste just because it's on the wrong handle to kill someone with.

 

[Sorrow]

browsing the NMA archives about the meaning of "50s inspired retrofuture setting". Even I can understand that, and I'm not an expert.

1. Could you explain explain me, please, what weapons which like 10mm pistol, 10mm SMG and 14 Pistol (typical 80s/90s sci-fi/cyberpunk weapons) and low-caliber, high velocity 5mm automatic weapons are doing in "50s inspired retrofuture setting"?

2. I think that swords don't belong to Fallout universe simply because forging swords requires a lot of skill and specialist equipment.

 

[Sander]

1. Could you explain explain me, please, what weapons which like 10mm pistol, 10mm SMG and 14 Pistol (typical 80s/90s sci-fi/cyberpunk weapons) and low-caliber, high velocity 5mm automatic weapons are doing in "50s inspired retrofuture setting"?

Typical cyberpunk weapons? These kinds of weapons were available in the 50s and were also depicted in fiction in the 50s, hence they are appropriate. They, in the very least, are not misplaced in the setting. Swords are.

 

[Sorrow]

Typical cyberpunk weapons?

10mm cartridge was developed in 80s. It's a typical cartridge for pistols and SMGs in CP2020. 14mm pistol also appears in CP2020.
Also, 10mm pistol's look was inspired by the cover of Hard Boiled comic (published in 90s).

These kinds of weapons were available in the 50s and were also depicted in fiction in the 50s, hence they are appropriate.

MP5 and AK-74 and man portable Miniguns too?

BTW.
Can someone tell me what kinds of weapons actually appeared in 50s sci-fi (examples please?)?
I have a distinct impression that writers were to busy inventing various atom-powered rayguns to create any believable firearms...

They, in the very least, are not misplaced in the setting. Swords are.

Swords are.

But:

Are Fallout's weapons (excluding rayguns) really inspired by 50s sci-fi?

 

[Sander]

10mm cartridge was developed in 80s. It's a typical cartridge for pistols and SMGs in CP2020. 14mm pistol also appears in CP2020.
Also, 10mm pistol's look was inspired by the cover of Hard Boiled comic (published in 90s).

Yes, but very fitting for the setting.
Remember that the 50s setting was still an evolved fifties setting.
Also note that cartridge sizes would've developed in Fallout's setting after the fifties as well.

MP5 and AK-74 and man portable Miniguns too?

MP5s and Ak-74s?
The idea of man-portable miniguns was around for a very long time before Fallout.

[qutoe="Sorrow"]
BTW.
Can someone tell me what kinds of weapons actually appeared in 50s sci-fi (examples please?)?
I have a distinct impression that writers were to busy inventing various atom-powered rayguns to create any believable firearms...[/quote]
Yes they were. Which is why most guns do fit in Fallout (as long as they have a somewhat 'gritty' rag-tag look).

Swords are.

But:

Are Fallout's weapons (excluding rayguns) really inspired by 50s sci-fi?

No, because most 50s sci-fi didn't feature many normal guns. However, since guns were part of the fifties culture and don't contradict the setting (sparse tech wasteland) in any way, they do fit the setting.

 

[SuAside]

MP5 and AK-74

actually, it's an MP10, that doesnt resemble an MP5 at all. and maybe you'll notice that submachine guns were quite popular in the second world war (and hence in the 50's): grease guns, thompsons and MP38/40's for example. an SMG is nothing new.

as for your socalled "AK 74", it's a generic assault rifle named AK-112 (sure, it's badly named for an american AR, i'll grant you that). if you'd look at the picture, you'll see it's a mix of an AK, an AR-10 and and M14. an AR-10 & M14 (purebred american) date from the mid 50's.
if you'd care to research, the early AR-10 had fake brownwood grips. the metal casing from the "AK-112" might even have been taken from an AR-18, from the late 50's.
the AK-112, quite frankly doesnt look like a real AK at all...

high velocity 5mm automatic weapons are doing in "50s inspired retrofuture setting"

maybe you failed to notice, but cut down 'short' low power rifle rounds were becoming quite popular after WW2, after people saw the potential of the C.G. Haenel MP-43/44 Stg.44 which proved far more useful than the SMG counterparts.

 

[Sorrow]

MP5 and AK-74

actually, it's an MP10, that doesnt resemble an MP5 at all. and maybe you'll notice that submachine guns were quite popular in the second world war (and hence in the 50's): grease guns, thompsons and MP38/40's for example. an SMG is nothing new.

H&K MP9 looks like a cut down MP5.

as for your socalled "AK 74", it's a generic assault rifle named AK-112 (sure, it's badly named for an american AR, i'll grant you that). if you'd look at the picture, you'll see it's a mix of an AK, an AR-10 and and M14. an AR-10 & M14 (purebred american) date from the mid 50's.

One of loading screens shows two characters carrying AK - XX rifles, also, AK-112 may be a tribute to Wasteland's AK-97.
Also, unlike all other guns in Fallout AK-112 doesn't have its producer mentioned, which means that probably it is an AK.

As for the picture...
Indeed, I see a certain similarity to AR-10.
On the other hand, AK-112 doesn't look like any working rifle...

I think AK-112 name doesn't make sense (especially, that the rifle uses american ammo). Maybe something like ArmaLite AR-112/M112 would be better?

high velocity 5mm automatic weapons are doing in "50s inspired retrofuture setting"

maybe you failed to notice, but cut down 'short' low power rifle rounds were becoming quite popular after WW2, after people saw the potential of the C.G. Haenel MP-43/44 Stg.44 which proved far more useful than the SMG counterparts.

I've done some research on the subject of late 40s/50s sci-fi/experimental weapons while working on my 50s Sci-Fi/experiments inspired mod for Close Combat and I've noticed that most of intermediate cartirdges (that military considered using) from that period were 7.**mm, not 5.**mm.
After reading a bit more about american rifles, I see that I was wrong...

 

[SuAside]

H&K MP9 looks like a cut down MP5.

no, it doesnt.

the grip looks like the one on an early AR-10. the upper part of the machinepistol kinda looks like the AK-112 from ingame with the barrel cut off.

even an MP5-K doesnt resemble this by a longshot...

One of loading screens shows two characters carrying AK - XX rifles

it's called concept art. it doesnt necesarrily mean it's ingame, now is it?

Also, unlike all other guns in Fallout AK-112 doesn't have its producer mentioned, which means that probably it is an AK.

all other guns? (added those from FO2 as well)

the Desert Eagle does not mention IMI, the .44 revolver doesnt mention its producer, the grease gun doesnt mention its producer, the sniper rifle doesnt mention its producer, the bozar doesnt mention its producer, the XL doesnt mention its producer, the jackhammer doesnt mention its producer, the sawed off (not the normal shotty) doesnt mention its producer,...

these are but the "small guns". the list is far greater when you include other weapons, such as the Ripper.

I think AK-112 name doesn't make sense (especially, that the rifle uses american ammo). Maybe something like ArmaLite AR-112/M112 would be better?

yes, the name sucks. however, as you said, it's a tribute to Wasteland.

what's the bullshit about 'american' ammo? 5mm ammo does not exist. .223/5.56mm does, but that's not the same, as you can see ingame, they are not interchangable.

as for 5.56mm being 'american', the russians have developed a 5.45mm cartridge as well btw. (although it's not that popular)

I've done some research on the subject of late 40s/50s sci-fi/experimental weapons while working on my 50s Sci-Fi/experiments inspired mod for Close Combat and I've noticed that most of intermediate cartirdges (that military considered using) from that period were 7.**mm, not 5.**mm.
After reading a bit more about american rifles, I see that I was wrong...

granted, 5mm-ish bullets weren't a common sight in the 50's, but were you going to fire full sized 7.62mm cartridges out of a handheld minigun perhaps? it's likely research would be invested into a smaller cartridge with lower recoil and volume. this cartridge might prove effective enough to use in normal assault rifles as well.

 

[Sander]

Also, unlike all other guns in Fallout AK-112 doesn't have its producer mentioned, which means that probably it is an AK.

Erm, almost no guns in Fallout have their producer mentioned, or are even named at all. 10mm pistol, 14mm pistol, minigun, assault rifle, SMG etc. etc. etc.

I've done some research on the subject of late 40s/50s sci-fi/experimental weapons while working on my 50s Sci-Fi/experiments inspired mod for Close Combat and I've noticed that most of intermediate cartirdges (that military considered using) from that period were 7.**mm, not 5.**mm.
After reading a bit more about american rifles, I see that I was wrong...

As has been said, development of weapons clearly didn't stop after the fifties. Development of transistors did, but weapons: no way. Hence why the mm of the guns doesn't correspond to what was exactly in use in the 50s.

 

[Sorrow]

Also, unlike all other guns in Fallout AK-112 doesn't have its producer mentioned, which means that probably it is an AK.

Erm, almost no guns in Fallout have their producer mentioned, or are even named at all. 10mm pistol, 14mm pistol, minigun, assault rifle, SMG etc. etc. etc.

A Colt 6520 10mm autoloading pistol.

H&K MP9 Submachinegun

A Flambe 450 model flamethrower

A Rockwell CZ53 Personal Minigun

A Rockwell BigBazooka rocket launcher

A Winchester Model P94

A Sig-Sauer 14mm Auto Pistol

etc. etc. etc.
The only firearms in Fallout that don't have their producent mentioned are:
Alien Blaster
AK-112
Sniper Rifle
.223 pistol
Red Ryder BB Gun
Desert Eagle


Speaking of weapons...
Fallout is missing a three barreled flechette SPIW

the Desert Eagle does not mention IMI, the .44 revolver doesnt mention its producer, the grease gun doesnt mention its producer, the sniper rifle doesnt mention its producer, the bozar doesnt mention its producer, the XL doesnt mention its producer, the jackhammer doesnt mention its producer, the sawed off (not the normal shotty) doesnt mention its producer,...

Most of these (excluding Sniper Rifle) are Fallout 2 or/and real world weapons.

what's the bullshit about 'american' ammo? 5mm ammo does not exist. .223/5.56mm does, but that's not the same, as you can see ingame, they are not interchangable.

It's used for non-existent american miniguns.

 

[SuAside]

Also, unlike all other guns in Fallout AK-112 doesn't have its producer mentioned, which means that probably it is an AK.

Erm, almost no guns in Fallout have their producer mentioned, or are even named at all. 10mm pistol, 14mm pistol, minigun, assault rifle, SMG etc. etc. etc.

lol, Sander, what have you been smoking?

the Desert Eagle does not mention IMI, the .44 revolver doesnt mention its producer, the grease gun doesnt mention its producer, the sniper rifle doesnt mention its producer, the bozar doesnt mention its producer, the XL doesnt mention its producer, the jackhammer doesnt mention its producer, the sawed off (not the normal shotty) doesnt mention its producer,...

Most of these (excluding Sniper Rifle) are Fallout 2 or/and real world weapons.

your point being? there are quite a few weapons without a nametag to them. even in FO1 alone.

there is no use in turning yourself around and flapping your gums for nothing. you said there were none, but there are quite a few, so drop it.

what's the bullshit about 'american' ammo? 5mm ammo does not exist. .223/5.56mm does, but that's not the same, as you can see ingame, they are not interchangable.

It's used for non-existent american miniguns.

what? link or it didn't happen!

as i said, ingame the miniguns use 5mm as does the AK-112, but in the real world?

what exactly are you trying to prove with "non-existent american miniguns".

 

[Sorrow]

your point being? there are quite a few weapons without a nametag to them. even in FO1 alone.

Fallout 2 isn't exacly the best that Fallout can offer.
My point was that AK-112 doesn't have its producer mentioned, because AK is the producer.

as i said, ingame the miniguns use 5mm as does the AK-112, but in the real world?

what exactly are you trying to prove with "non-existent american miniguns".

I'm just saying that AK-112 being AK (a russian gun) is inconsistent with using 5mm ammo that is also used for (fictional) american miniguns.
This makes the "tribute to wasteland" incoherent with another part of the game (5mm Minigun).
Since there's no real reason (except the "tribute to wastelabd thing") that would prevent a modder from removing the inconsistency, I'm interested in finding a name that would make more sense.

 

[SuAside]

Fallout 2 isn't exacly the best that Fallout can offer.

that's not up to debate here...

you said there were none & there are. stop pulling monkeys out of your ass trying to talk your way out of it.

i think it's been ample proof: the Desert Eagle, the .223 (which is a modded rifle, so it's understandable there is no manufacturer), the sniper rifle, the BB guns, the assault rifle, the flamer (although that's up for debate), and the ripper.

My point was that AK-112 doesn't have its producer mentioned, because AK is the producer.

"AK is the producer"? what? AK means Avtomat Kalashnikova. It's not a brandname, it's not a producer, it's not a factory. they call it AK because the original was invented by sergeant Mikhail Kalashnikov. hence "Avtomat Kalashnikova" or "Kalashnikov automatic rifle". if you want a producer, the original producer is Izhevsk Machinebuilding Plant (IZHMASH).

thats kinda like saying "M" is the producer of all american assault rifles... M4, M16, M14,...

I'm just saying that AK-112 being AK (a russian gun) is inconsistent with using 5mm ammo that is also used for (fictional) american miniguns. This makes the "tribute to wasteland" incoherent with another part of the game (5mm Minigun).

it is NOT a russian gun in fallout for fucks sake. it's an american weapon named as a tribute to Wasteland. do you actually think, that in a world like fallout's, americans would import russian weapons? are you out of your mind?

Since there's no real reason (except the "tribute to wastelabd thing") that would prevent a modder from removing the inconsistency, I'm interested in finding a name that would make more sense.

what for? it's a tribute. there are a lot of things that would warrant a modders attention way before looking at the name of rifle that was named in tribute to an older game that inspired the new game. while somewhat out of place due to the nature of the name, i would find it an insult to wasteland if anyone modded out the name...

if you want to have an american explanation so bad, just invent a name for AK? KA is Knight's Armaments in the US, i'm sure you can find a decent name for an AK abbreviation...

 

[Quantos Leap]

no, it doesnt.

the grip looks like the one on an early AR-10. the upper part of the machinepistol kinda looks like the AK-112 from ingame with the barrel cut off.

even an MP5-K doesnt resemble this by a longshot...

Seems to resemble the "real" SMG somewhat.

 

[Demonslayer]

I really miss ak47.

 

[Milo]

I really miss ak47.

I'm pretty sure this has already been mentioned, but yes I agree. In a post nuclear world we would see a lot of AK47s considering it is the number one most used weapon in the world. But considering all FO games have taken place in the US, that could explain their absence.

 

[Sorrow]

I think that the lack of AK-47, has something to do with the fact that Fallout is a game set in an alternative universe after a nuclear war that happened in 2077.

 

[Schuljunge]

-German Luger
-Pimped Glock
-Bow and Arrows for hunting or an Crossbow

But yeah like that guy in Band of Brothers, imma Luger-fanatic.

 

[Lord 342]

-German Luger

No. There's already the 9mm Mauser -why do we need another WWII German Handgun Souvenier. In game-terms, it's almost the same thing, and probably almost as useless.

-Pimped Glock

NO. Fuck you. And your mother too. Go away.

-Bow and Arrows for hunting or an Crossbow

Yeah maybe. I don't see why not.

But yeah like that guy in Band of Brothers, imma Luger-fanatic.

And I do not care.

 

[Dangerface]

I think the game is fairly lacking on squad level MGs. I mean, FO1 had practically none, and both FO2 and (ew) FO:T both had "modern" variants of that weapon class. I think perhaps some sort of fictionally extrapolated version of a man-portable MG from the 40's or 50's might be interesting. (That is, a non Minigun)

Edit: Oh, and sweet avatar Lord, SC2 kicks ass.