What's Trump up to now?

Nope, he's old school and he's right, judging someone by join date is lame.
I still remember how friendly was NMA toward new users couple of years back btw, shall we leave this stupid oldfag vs. newfag attitude to The Order where it belongs?
 
Nope, he's old school and he's right, judging someone by join date is lame.
I still remember how friendly was NMA toward new users couple of years back btw, shall we leave this stupid oldfag vs. newfag attitude to The Order where it belongs?

Newfag! Thanks, bro, for that term! :salute:
 
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness that it's not being treated correctly namely because of pc in medicine https://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120 and there is a potential solution that would make the patient accept the gender he or she was born with it https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957

Are there more recent studies and larger sample sizes? One adult patient from 96 isn't really telling in drug testing.
 
Gender dysphoria is a mental illness that it's not being treated correctly namely because of pc in medicine https://www.wsj.com/articles/paul-mchugh-transgender-surgery-isnt-the-solution-1402615120 and there is a potential solution that would make the patient accept the gender he or she was born with it https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8839957

Yeah totally. And homosexuality is 'erroneous desire'. We should just get fags and force some chick with massive tits to motorboat the gay away.

Anyway you do realise gender dysphoria isn't trangenderism in the same way a sore leg isn't a broken leg. Just because someone with a sore leg just needs a little bedrest doesn't mean that is how you treat a broken leg.
 
Yeah totally. And homosexuality is 'erroneous desire'. We should just get fags and force some chick with massive tits to motorboat the gay away.

Anyway you do realise gender dysphoria isn't trangenderism in the same way a sore leg isn't a broken leg. Just because someone with a sore leg just needs a little bedrest doesn't mean that is how you treat a broken leg.
if a gay man wishes to become hetero let them, if a hetero men wishes to become gay let them Definition of gender dysphoria:The condition of feeling one's emotional and psychological identity as male or female to be opposite to one's biological sex, i am not saying that there are not cases which a surgery wouldnt be a solution when suffering of chromosomatic disorder but for most part they are receiving a incorret treatment that doesnt address the issue with the patients mind

Are there more recent studies and larger sample sizes? One adult patient from 96 isn't really telling in drug testing.
i am talking about potential that the drug has and possible research that could be done, lest not forget that the sample of gender dysphoric patients is very low.
 
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Definition of gender dysphoria:The condition of feeling one's emotional and psychological identity as male or female to be opposite to one's biological sex

And? You literally did not make an argument past this point.

Here the thing, is it so crazy to suggest that 1 in 200 people have brain chemistry that makes their gender different from their biological sex and the best solution is to let them live as their gender? Where is the great social or personal harm in that?
 
Being with who you want has nothing to do with not like being in your own skin.
If they want to live like that fine, but dont try to force me into their delusion or partake in womans sports as they have a higher testosterone levels even after taking hormones in comparision to woman http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/18/de-blasio-fine-businesses-wrong-gender-pronouns/
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/t...-female-opponent-concussion-breaks-her-eye-so http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/21/transgender-weightlifter-breaks-womens-record/
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/p...09-expected-to-take-gold-at-rio-a7174416.html
 
We should just get fags and force some chick with massive tits to motorboat the gay away.

I'd imagine there would be more 'gay' dudes running around if this was a solution.

i am talking about potential that the drug has and possible research that could be done, lest not forget that the sample of gender dysphoric patients is very low.

.4% is like 1.2million out of 300 million people (US pop). One person still isn't enough of a metric.

I see the potential in a drug like that but there needs to be more research into it - also why is it not really talked about anymore (last study was 1996)?
 
I'd imagine there would be more 'gay' dudes running around if this was a solution.



.4% is like 1.2million out of 300 million people (US pop). One person still isn't enough of a metric.

I see the potential in a drug like that but there needs to be more research into it - also why is it not really talked about anymore (last study was 1996)?
my guess is that pharma company realized that they could earn a lot more with hormone theraphy and ditched any efforts to research a treatment with pimozoide
 
In some others news now:

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If they want to live like that fine, but dont try to force me into their delusion or partake in womans sports as they have a higher testosterone levels even after taking hormones in comparision to woman
Shifting the goalposts a little now aren't we? First you were saying that sex reassignment surgery is incorrect treatment, and now you've moved it to "So long as they don't partake in women's sports"

Obviously how competitive sports ought to be handled in cases like this is an issue that ought to be discussed. However, as it stands, allowing trans folk to go through sex-change surgery, and in other, non-competitive areas live there lives as there preferred gender seems harmless.
 
i am saying that sex change surgery is ineffective that it does not adress the core of the issue the mind of the patient we are basically adapting their bodies to their mental illnes shttp://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885 , should we accept that this man is a 6 year old girl let him use the girls lockeroom? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...-OLD-girl-named-Stefonknee.html#ixzz44IJ5SuSS
i do not want to worry about letting man getting inside the womans bathroom taking pic's and whatnot https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/t...taking-pictures-of-woman-in-target-changing-r
 
i am saying that sex change surgery is ineffective
If you say that it isn't necessarily the best treatment for everyone, then I would agree. However, I do believe that it can be effective for some - apparantly it is.

But it just shows how complex of a topic it is.

What really disturbs me is how some argue that it couldn't be 'real' if it was a psychological issue for some. I mean would that be so unthinkable? Besides, who ever made the claim those people aren't real? Like is Depression not real? Do people with severe depressions not suffer? And you can have different causes as well, of which some are biological and others not. The same could be true with transgenders, where some have maybe a biological cause - I don't denny it, I am just not as sure about the findings as a few others - where as some might actually have a mental problem.
 
If you say that it isn't necessarily the best treatment for everyone, then I would agree. However, I do believe that it can be effective for some - apparantly it is.

But it just shows how complex of a topic it is.

What really disturbs me is how some argue that it couldn't be 'real' if it was a psychological issue for some. I mean would that be so unthinkable? Besides, who ever made the claim those people aren't real? Like is Depression not real? Do people with severe depressions not suffer? And you can have different causes as well, of which some are biological and others not. The same could be true with transgenders, where some have maybe a biological cause - I don't denny it, I am just not as sure about the findings as a few others - where as some might actually have a mental problem.
So what happens if a transgender person chops up some of their penis then crams it inside of them only to later regret it? Can't undo it then.
 
If you say that it isn't necessarily the best treatment for everyone, then I would agree. However, I do believe that it can be effective for some - apparantly it is.

But it just shows how complex of a topic it is.

What really disturbs me is how some argue that it couldn't be 'real' if it was a psychological issue for some. I mean would that be so unthinkable? Besides, who ever made the claim those people aren't real? Like is Depression not real? Do people with severe depressions not suffer? And you can have different causes as well, of which some are biological and others not. The same could be true with transgenders, where some have maybe a biological cause - I don't denny it, I am just not as sure about the findings as a few others - where as some might actually have a mental problem.

Who is making the argument that they're not real?
 
No one here, I was just paraphrasing the kind of stuff that is said sometimes, because for a lot of transgenders it seems very important that 'science' prooved now that they are 'real' and not just some imaginary psychological disorder or something.

So what happens if a transgender person chops up some of their penis then crams it inside of them only to later regret it? Can't undo it then.
Well, no clue? What happens with all the people that mutilate themself? I say, if they are adults, and see that as solution, let them do it. Tell them about the possible conquences, that there might be alternatives which they should try first and if that doesn't work, they can still go for it.

LIke I said, there is not enough evidence right now to make a clear conclussion and this is the problem here. I've read a few papers from harvard where they collected studies, and all it says is that there could be, eventually, maybe(?) some biological reason behind transgenders? (It's the chicken and egg problem really, do thoughts change your brain, or does your brain change your thoughts?).

But no one really knows it for now. Just as how no one has yet found a 'gay' gene, however they made some twin studies on the subjects of transgenders, and well it seems that there is 'something' at least which warrants more research, so yeah, take it as what ever you want. I mean, all we know is that we currently have a system that works perfectly fine for 99% of the population, which can be clearly identified as male or female, the rest (not talking about Intersex), simply requires more research. But in the mean time, why not allow adults to go for a surgery, if they want it? There are all sorts of things, people do today and no one really cares, like that guy which got tatoos all over his body or the one who made him self look like a snake-person or what ever. It's their life. Their body.

The difference though, is that those people don't push for changes to legistlation and that's my issue with some people in the transgender community which go for like 60 pronouns or what ever ... studends that have wrist collars so people can 'see' what gender they are today ... and if you don't refer to it they are offended. That's really crazy in my opinion.
 
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