What's Trump up to now?

Oh. And where do you draw the line then? A 40 year old male that wants you to call him a 12 year old girl? Or some 20 year old that wants to be called 'cat' beacuse she believes to have ths oul of a feline? Or what about so called 'Dragonkin', people that think they are some reborn mythological creature, like Dragons. Just in a human body of course.
And if you refuse to refer to them as that, they will sue you.

I am exagerating, but I hope you get the picture.

The point is, that this bill is very badly worded, what does count as discrimination here? If you refuse to use someones 'prefered' gender pronoun because it hurts someones feelings? What has this to do with human rights please. Particularly since gender Dysphoria is actually a real condition, you know. If someone tells you that he is Napoleon Bonapart (the historical figure), then you don't do him a favour by adressing him as 'Napoleon Bonapart'. No one ever said that Transgenders aren't a 'real' condition here.

But this all is not simply solved by giving someone the 'legal' right to claim a gender pronoun for themself or something, because we're talking about a topic that concerns less then 1% of the population, if you look at how many people actually identify themself as male or female.

Also, just so you guys know about the people we're talking about here:



And you want to give those people power. Good. Luck.

Here is the full thing by the way.
 
Crni stop being an idiot.

When a fetus begins development in the womb it starts off sexless, then it will diverge to become either male or female. This process can and frequently does go wrong, causing people with all kinds of wacky mixed up genital and chromosome issues (i.e. intersex) and people with brain issues (i.e. transgender).

There's no way for a fetus to diverge to become a fucking dragon though. If you can't see the difference here I think that's your problem.
 
Do ... do you try on purpose to missunderstand what I am trying to say here?

If this is your actuall argument, then you're part of the problem as far as I am concerned.
 
Well tell me then, Mr Germany, what is the solution or even a 'final' solution to this problem then? You've already voiced your displeasure with Jewish and gays in the previous page. :shock:
 
MutantScalper said:
Well tell me then, Mr Germany, what is the solution or even a 'final' solution to this problem then? You've already voiced your displeasure with Jewish and gays in the previous page. :shock:
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Que?

You guys know that you're pretty much the opposite spectrum of Vergil right now. Where did I say something against Jews or Gays? You do realize that I have gay feelings, right? So better you quote me here, where I said anything about gays or jews.

Besides, I am talking about criticism here. Since when is someone free from it due to his herritage, his sexuality or what ever other traits they might possess. You have to finally realize that I simply give shit to ...
 
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Here is the full thing by the way.
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I like Jordan Peterson. He makes a lot of sense on most subjects and offers well thought out explanations. But that vid is really not the best way to introduce people to his talks or opinions.
 
AAAhhh, now it makes more sense. I quoted the wrong video. I was watching a video about the conversation alone. Should have looked more carefully in to it, I mixed up videos here searching on youtube for the one I watched. This is the one I was refering to. My bad.
 
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Looks like Crni and Mutantscalper's competition over who can be the biggest asshole is getting aggressive.

Anyway, @MutantScalper, I find it ironic that you are accusing Crni of anti-semitism, when lots of your posts imply that you get that accusation flinged at you a lot.

For example: This post would be an odd thing to say if you hadn't been accused of it a few times.
MutantScalper said:
Don't tell me I hate Jewish people.
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Don't treat people in a way that you are uncomfortable being treated like yourself.
 
Aggressive? This is a message board, dude. People discuss here. It's just words. Hassknecht and the other mods decide when we go over the line, and considering the way Vergil & co. have been allowed to run rampant, we're not even close to that line yet.

Me, anti-Jewish? Like, where?

Edit. Ok, I'm anti-Jewish because I like Scar Jo. Makes perfect sense bro. :???:
 
Yes, I am against religion. Does that mean I am against jews? Stop creating a narrative that isn't there. Nice how you ignored the rest and concentrated on one single post. Isn't that ... kinda racist from you as well? What about christianity? Or Buddhists? *rolls eyes*
- For the case you missed it, when I say 'racist' I meant it sarcastically.

@JO'Geran
My point was that I have in some sense very strong and extreme beliefs - against religion in general, but what I am trying to say is that I KNOW(!) that those are strong and extreme views which should never ever be realized. I mean god knows Marxism sounds awesome on paper, but hell it is a flawed ideology after all! And I say that as someone who likes it, because I actually UNDERSTAND it, which is not something that you can say about the extreme left these days, because you can not force Marxism on others, or it would become opression, but that just by the way. You might have missed the times where I defended muslims in this forum, but that still does't change my stance that I hate Islam because Islam is a reactionary, outdated and barbarish idea/religion. You can not go and bash christianity, and give Islam a free pass for the exact same stuff! But I hate ideas, not people!

Muslims =/= Islam.
Judaism (religion) =/= Jews.

You know, that is the issues that I have with some discussions these days, particularly when it comes to the left - since this is the ideology that I follow. You criticise a certain opinion like what Israel is doing in Palestina, and you're suddenly an antisemite. You're saying that Milo has a point in some of his speeches, and you're suddenly a sexist, mysognist or what ever.

See, in my Opinion Vergil was a wanna-be nazi and I sure don't like Valcik. But they have EVERY right to their opinion just as much as I do, and in my mind I am of course right, because it is my opinion. But that doesn't mean that I am necessarily correct. And I would defend their right to express their opinions, and I would condemn any kind of violence against them, or even real Nazis for that matter! Because that is undemocratic. That's why we're having discussions, why we're having free speech so we're not bashing the skulls of each other. You can not force others to respect you. Just as how you can not force gender pronouns on others!
 
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Aggressive? This is a message board, dude. People discuss here. It's just words.
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Sure, I'm all for a bit of banter, but blatantly accusing others of being racist and homophobic, as you have done here:
Well tell me then, Mr Germany, what is the solution or even a 'final' solution to this problem then? You've already voiced your displeasure with Jewish and gays in the previous page. :shock:
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Is a bit far don't you think?
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Me, anti-Jewish? Like, where?
Edit. Ok, I'm anti-Jewish because I like Scar Jo. Makes perfect sense bro. :???:
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You misunderstood my post. I don't think you are anti-jewish.

The time I quoted you was to demonstrate that you have probably, at least a few times been accused of being so, not that you actually are.

You wouldn't say "Don't tell me I hate Jewish people" just out of the blue, as most people would by default, assume you don't anyway. That phrasing implies that some people have, at some point, accused you of being anti-jewish, and you are offering a rebuttal.

I understand full well that you are not, but I am simply pointing out that it's ironic that you are accusing someone of something that you have clearly been accused of a few times.
Crni Vuk said:
@JO'Geran
My point was that I have in some sense very strong and extreme beliefs - against religion in general, but what I am trying to say is that I KNOW(!) that those are strong and extreme views which should never ever be realized. I mean god knows Marxism sounds awesome on paper, but hell it is a flawed ideology after all! And I say that as someone who likes it, because I actually UNDERSTAND it, which is not something that you can say about the extreme left these days, because you can not force Marxism on others, or it would become opression, but that just by the way. You might have missed the times where I defended muslims in this forum, but that still does't change my stance that I hate Islam because Islam is a reactionary, outdated and barbarish idea/religion. You can not go and bash christianity, and give Islam a free pass for the exact same stuff! But I hate ideas, not people!
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Think this reply should have been targeted at Mutantscalper, not at me. He's the one who's accusing you of being a bigot.

I understood full well that you had nothing against the people, but instead the ideology.
 
Crni Vuk said:
Yes, I am against religion. Does that mean I am against jews? Stop creating a narrative that isn't there. Nice how you ignored the rest and concentrated on one single post. Isn't that ... kinda racist from you as well? What about christianity? Or Buddhists? *rolls eyes*
- For the case you missed it, when I say 'racist' I meant it sarcastically.

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Yea, I did miss it. I also missed a lot of other things, I think. Because I'm still not sure what your solution is to the "tranny problem". Btw, does my country have a tranny problem? How do we solve the tranny problem?

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Boohoohoo noob, go cry me a river.
 
MutantScalper said:
Yea, I did miss it. I also missed a lot of other things, I think. Because I'm still not sure what your solution is to the "tranny problem". Btw, does my country have a tranny problem? How do we solve the tranny problem?
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I don't see it as a problem. So why should I look for a solution? Solution to what problem? The problem aren't transgender people, the problem are extremists - and those exist on every spectrum.

I really suggest that you go and watch some of Petersons videos ...
 
MutantScalper said:
Boohoohoo noob, go cry me a river.
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I don't get this notion of people using low join dates or high post counts as the measuring stick for posters having any more relevancy or weight than anyone else. Really, isn't it the opposite, I kind of question the sanity of someone who's heavy on the other end of that scale.

MutantScalper said:
I'm anti-Jewish because I like Scar Jo. Makes perfect sense bro.
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Some of my best imaginary friends are black.
 
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