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Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by AeonG, Sep 6, 2019.
I'm gonna say it, Star Trek peaked with DS9 and has completely lost its identity post voyager.
Pretty much, I was somewhat forgiving on Voyager as for me it helped expand the universe beyond the TNG-DSN region but I also recognized that the show could have been written better.
Enterprise was deeply flawed as a Trek show and a prequel. It had some enjoyable episodes but it never felt like a series taking place before the Original Series. A lot of the characters in it were wank.
The franchise has not had an identity of its own since then and I don't think it makes space travel and exploration look exciting any more.
The books and comics are in the same sorry state.
I'm probably one of the few outliers that actually came here as a Fallout 3 fan (and then somehow ended up being the site admin - go figure). NMA is kind of a last bastion for the classic Fallout/RPG fans and a place that's less heavily moderated than the generally pro-Fallout sub-reddits (and the official forum) that exists. I don't blame folks for the ire they pour on Bethesda because they took a thing they loved and essentially ruined it. I like Fallout 1 and 2. I also like the newer Fallouts to varying degrees. I consider them completely separate entities though, they do not need to co-exist or line up for me to take them as they are. I wish Bethesda would make them better RPGs, Obsidian showed them how it could be done and they essentially ignored it. Could the people in this forum collectively make a better RPG? I have no idea... it's easier to be a good food critic than a good chef. In that regard you can find a lot of good RPG recommendations scattered about.
As other people have mentioned there's a lot of other games that have come out (including mods) that have worked to stay true to the classic RPG style. Wasteland 2 was big here for a while. Fallout: New Vegas was Obsidian's homage to the classic fanbase. I've been playing Kingdom Come: Deliverance which is probably my favourite RPG lately.
Why are you people still wasting your time bitching about Fallout?
We like to bitch, that's all...
I'm almost done with bitching about Fallout. The official games are so far from "Fallout" now that I don't think the series can be saved. And that makes me not care anymore.
However after New Vegas was released and before Fallout 4 was announced there was still some small hope for another good Fallout title. But then they released Fallout 4 (which was awfull), they didn't let Obsidian do another spin-off and then they followed up with 76. There won't ever be another official game in the series that is good, I've realised that now. However mods like Nevada, Sonora and the like can still be of value to the fans of the first 2 games.
And then we're starting to see other indie games in the spirit of Fallout and some of them might turn out good. Atom, Encased and others.
At this rate, I have accepted Fallout is dead. However, I still Care about The franchise. I wrote crossovers, downloaded mods, Played New Vegas for over 1000 hours.
It's part of me. However, I have become bitter and cynical thanks to AAA games.
So, nowadays, There are other games, other franchises that I can cheerish like Persona 5, Warcraft 3 Reforged, Darkest Dungeon.
However, none of them can set The same kind of passion. It also serves as a Good remainder of better Times. When demos existed.
I kind of had hoped that The Outer Worlds with its Buck Rogers planetary romance atmosphere could have taken the place of the old Fallout. Sadly that is not the case.
Fallout is far from dead. Just accept that we won't be getting a good official title and you'll find out.
We've got three official games (1, 2, NV) plus Tactics if you aren't picky.
Then there're also hundreds of mods for New Vegas (varying quality, though there're some really good ones).
There're also total conversions and a fan game.
New California's main plot writing isn't that great, but it really shines with it's reactivity. Gameplay is standard Gamebryo though.
Resurrection follows Fallout 1 formula rather closely, but it's quite revolutionary with how it's companions are written. Not to mention that Bad Karma options are among some of the most disgusting shit I've seen in the whole franchise. It also has a wide range of the craziest sexual encounters.
I would describe the entirety of Nevada as an evolution of Fallout 2. The amount of reputation perks, traits, stat and skill checks makes it a great experience, with each playthrough slightly different. Did I mention that they made EVERY SKILL in the game useful? (even gambling!!!)
Not to mention that re two more on the horizon- Mutant Rising and Sonora!
And the translation for Olympus...
If you somehow got through all of it- you still have Fallout-like games.
ATOM RPG is the closest to Fallout among them, while still doing it's own thing. My only complaint against ATOM are some balancing issues (e.g. Speech is even more overpowered than in Fallout, as you can talk your way out of random encounters with hostile humans).
Underrail focuses more on combat (which is really great), but also has the best stealth system out of any RPGs I've played. Your social skills and Intelligence also have lots of use allowing you to play whatever way you like (you can finish the game killing 3 humans). It also has a really interesting world you'll want to explore in it's entirety.
Age of Decadence is more focused on high replayability and in order to achieve that it takes away a bit of player's agency, which can be annoying to some. Fun combat system and interesting world will keep you glued until you do at least 8 playthroughs.
If you still want more- Wasteland 2 and upcoming Wasteland 3. While more combat focused, Wasteland 2 is a fun experience that I can recommend to everyone(we'll see about 3).
It's called shooting-the-shit and chewing the fat. Not much else to do because there aren't games coming out every year officially, and even spiritual successors are far in between.
Everyone in this thread saying Fallout is dead probably enjoyed playing New Vegas. People on this website could do well with being a little less cynical.
On that note, OP is 100% right and the best cure for Fallout cynicism is to play a good tabletop game.
Or you could force yourself to read all the dialog in New Vegas. It's pretty good. (I have all the achievements on the 360 port. Just sayin')
FNV was a big exception... and it wasn't made by Bethsoft. Besides, it also is almost 10 years old now and the chance there will be another Fallout game like New Vegas is very, very slim.
Bitching can be fun. Watching Bethesda trip all over themselves with Fallout is good for a laugh and we can reminisce about the good time we had with the classics and New Vegas.
Probably the funniest thing i noticed lately is that people that used to call the people that hated Fallout 3 before and after release as "nostalgia blinded idiots" or saying they were "stuck in the past" have literally became the same when Fallout 76 or even Fallout 4 was released. Saying Fallout 3 was good and that the Fallouts that came after are terrible and Bethesda needs to go back to something like Fallout 3.
The inevitability of becoming an "old man yelling at the clouds".
Spoiler: Straight Facts Dog
In time every belief you hold will be seen as horrible and evil, those people will wonder how someone could be on the wrong side of history or could even stomach life without the future's creature comforts and you will be seen as an idiot and the people can see themselves as intelligent and virtuous.
I agree, bro.
Their boxes got ticked, is all. The crowd that loved F3 sort of shunned NV (at least in sales) then loved F4 for the most part, but then 76 came and it was another bandwagon-BR game. This crowd is the 'Fallout is the world where you can DO ANYTHIN YOU WAN' (seriously, where did that come from? A mutation of 'your choices matter?' and then comes 76 and...you're just thrown into the mountains, to fight other suvivors and zombies and the world feels so dead, then Beth comes along and dangles their business practice dong right in front of their faces. It broke the immersion, and that's a cardinal sin in a video game.
It also breaks immersion when your game world makes absolutely no sense even with maximum suspension of disbelief so uhhh... They shouldn't have liked 3 or 4 either by that logic.
They don't care about the 'world sense', they care about the meta-sense. They have a larger suspension of disbelief, that's on them. But Beth rubbed in the real world and the greediness an inch too far, and thus the blow-back. I'd rather have some blow-back, even for the LCD, than none at all, really.