Why I love Skyrim

JO'Geran said:
Advantages consoles have over computers:
  • Cheaper(Except for Playstations, which you need to buy 4 different versions of)
  • Don't crash as often.
If I missed any, please feel free to point them out.
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"Put the disc in and play" as Jim Sterling also mentions. Which is why he went on a rant about the whole download thing. There's also the fact Gamestop allows you to return video games you purchase for money or exchange them, unlike computer games.
 
CT Phipps said:
"Put the disc in and play" as Jim Sterling also mentions.
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  • Cheaper
  • Don't crash as often
  • No install time
So it has 3 advantages, compared to all the countless advantages PC gaming has.
There's also the fact Gamestop allows you to return video games you purchase for money or exchange them, unlike computer games.
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You can sell PC games second hand if you purchased them on the disk. That advantage is assuming that you are getting games on steam.

And besides, the fact that you are buying games on disks, which can easily get lost or scratched, and provide very little advantage over digital copies, is kinda silly to begin with.
 
Current generation consoles are glorified midrange PCs anyway. Sony and Microsoft have removed essentially any advantage to console gameing. The Xbox One is needlessly complicated for what it is supposed to do.
 
CT Phipps said:
That's kind of a weird rebuttal when I said, "Yeah, I wish there was more choices in the quests."

What DO you think I'm saying?
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Honestly? I am not enteirely sure at this point, because I get the feeling you're critzing and praising the game for the same thing. You're talking about how the game is a great RPG beacuse of the immense freedom it contains, while at the same time lamenting the lack of 'choices', and defending it tooth and nails when we criticize it as RPG and explaining how Skyrim probably won't ever be received in a positive manner by NMA ...

It simply feels like you want your cake and eat it too. But I am afraid, that's not gona happen. Skyrim can't be both at the same time, an awesome RPG with awesome RPG characteristics, while at the same time ... lacking in the RPG department ...

Seriously, watch The Dumbing down of The Elder Scrolls, youtube video I posted above, I don't think anyone here could make a better point to ilustrate the biggest problem of the current Bethesda titles - the same arguments pretty much can be used for Fallout 3 and 4 as well.
 
The puzzles in Skyrim, oh god, the puzzles, they're absolutely atrocious, a blind, deaf, comatose, lobotomy patient could figure them out, the fact that the puzzles boil down to look at thing, twist couple of other thing, pull lever or insert claw really bugs me the wrong way, especially considering Morrowind had the riddling atronachs in them.

Edit: On the topic of consoles and PC, about the consoles being cheaper....well yes but no, while the initial price may be a bit cheaper, although you can get a very decent PC for around the same price, due to the fact that you actually have to pay to play online and all that other bullshit, the PC ends up arguably dominating in that aspect, since well, Steam and all, not saying your wrong, PC can be much more expensive than console, but that's only if you're looking at getting THE best components for it.
 
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Well, considering the fact how the lifecycle of consoles gets smaller and smaller ... I am not even sure if the argument about prices really holds. I mean, people say they are cheaper, ok granted a decent console costs you 499$? And then at the same time you have people buying 2 consoles in 1 year, because Sonny and Microsoft decided their console requires a bigger Hard Drive. And of course it requires you to pay 599$ now. The only people that seem to be even MORE crazy these days, are smart phone users that need a new one every 4 to 6 months for 799$.

Sometimes I am not surprised why every millenial is always broke ...
 
CT Phipps said:
You can also choose not to become the head of the Factions by not playing their quests or all the way through.
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I feel that if you go for one faction, that decision should lock you out from joining most other factions. Join the Dark Brotherhood? Well the Thieves Guild want nothing to do with a killer. Join the Companions? The College of Winterhold politely declines your application. You shouldn't be able to be head of each faction like that, but it's done that way so no one misses out on anything. Plus if you're master of everything, what's the point in having skills?

(I've only brushed through the last couple of pages so this point has likely already been made.)


JO'Geran said:
Advantages consoles have over computers:
  • Cheaper(Except for Playstations, which you need to buy 4 different versions of)
  • Don't crash as often.
If I missed any, please feel free to point them out.
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I think my PS4 has crashed more than my PC ever has. Since I love being able to mod things, even if it's a simple thing as creating an NPC or altering the textures of a weapon, I prefer PC even more.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
I think my PS4 has crashed more than my PC ever has. Since I love being able to mod things, even if it's a simple thing as creating an NPC or altering the textures of a weapon, I prefer PC even more.
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And we're back to two advantages of console gaming.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
I feel that if you go for one faction, that decision should lock you out from joining most other factions. Join the Dark Brotherhood? Well the Thieves Guild want nothing to do with a killer. Join the Companions? The College of Winterhold politely declines your application. You shouldn't be able to be head of each faction like that, but it's done that way so no one misses out on anything.
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I disagree because while I *CHOOSE* to play multiple playthroughs for individual characters, I think you should have freedom to play through all of them as one. Why shouldn't you be able to be Darth Vader and a great warrior *AND* a great wizard? Why would the other factions know about you as an assassin? You're not famous as a Thieved Guildmaster or Assassin.

Plus if you're master of everything, what's the point in having skills?
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I'd rather be Batman and a master of many skills than godlike in all of them. However, the option of being great at everything is a power fantasy which is no better or worse than the power fantasy of being good at only a few, which is part of what I think Skyrim offers.

Crni Vuk said:
Honestly? I am not enteirely sure at this point, because I get the feeling you're critzing and praising the game for the same thing. You're talking about how the game is a great RPG beacuse of the immense freedom it contains, while at the same time lamenting the lack of 'choices', and defending it tooth and nails when we criticize it as RPG and explaining how Skyrim probably won't ever be received in a positive manner by NMA ...

It simply feels like you want your cake and eat it too. But I am afraid, that's not gona happen. Skyrim can't be both at the same time, an awesome RPG with awesome RPG characteristics, while at the same time ... lacking in the RPG department ...

Seriously, watch The Dumbing down of The Elder Scrolls, youtube video I posted above, I don't think anyone here could make a better point to ilustrate the biggest problem of the current Bethesda titles - the same arguments pretty much can be used for Fallout 3 and 4 as well.
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I've watched the DDoTES and agree with some bits as well as disagree with others. I personally think Skyrim is a much-much smarter and better written game than Oblivion, which I think is probably the worst of the three most recent titles.

The freedom which Skyrim gives is the freedom of the open world and the option of pursuing hundreds upon hundreds of quests both big and small as well as becoming friends or allies to some groups while not to others. The choice to side with the Stormcloaks or Imperials doesn't have a very good quest chain but the affects on the characters if you've been working to become Thanes of each individual Stronghold is big and will hurt at least a couple of sympathetic Jarls if you've come to get to know them. If you're playing as a completitionist then, yes, you're going to see just about everything but your roleplay is going to make no damn sense unless you're RPGing a guy who does everything for everyone just because they ask.

Skyrim's greatest benefit is the fact it is a world you can throw yourself into and basically just tool around doing whatever you want. You can pursue the main quest, the sidequests, the minor activities, grinding, and exploring with every hold having its own little stories you can choose to get involved with or not. Skyrim is a full and vibrant world that I contrast heavily to Fallout 4, which just felt empty.

Virtually any game can be improved but I think Skyrim worked at achieving what it is, which is a world of amazing stories left and right.
 
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Prone Squanderer said:
I feel that if you go for one faction, that decision should lock you out from joining most other factions. Join the Dark Brotherhood? Well the Thieves Guild want nothing to do with a killer. Join the Companions? The College of Winterhold politely declines your application. You shouldn't be able to be head of each faction like that, but it's done that way so no one misses out on anything. Plus if you're master of everything, what's the point in having skills?
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There's no point in arguing about this anymore, though. The guy already made it clear that he's a casul who would turn down the difficulty to the easiest setting possible, and would extremely prefer a game where everything can be done in one playthrough like he mention in the post above this.

TL;DR, he loved Skyrim for being an ultimate power-fantasy game where he could feel like a god (despite still not being able to challenge the Daedras, lol).
 
Black Angel said:
There's no point in arguing about this anymore, though. The guy already made it clear that he's a casual who would turn down the difficulty to the easiest setting possible, and would extremely prefer a game where everything can be done in one playthrough like he mention in the post above this.
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Oh absolutely. I play video games for the story more than the challenge.

TL;DR, he loved Skyrim for being an ultimate power-fantasy game where he could feel like a god (despite still not being able to challenge the Daedras, lol).
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Yes, that's a serious issue I had with Dragonborn. You needed a chance to confront Hermaeus Mora or reject him.
 
JO'Geran said:
I don't get what's with this meme of wanting old games to be remastered.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it
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It is, because in one way or another, most people don't want new games. They want old games to last forever or they want another chance to show interest in games in an older style. The 8th gen of consoles is looking to be the remaster gen especially after Sony remastered tLoU after a year of its release.
JO'Geran said:
Advantages consoles have over computers:
  • Don't crash as often.
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That isn't true anymore.
 
CT Phipps said:
I've watched the DDoTES and agree with some bits as well as disagree with others. I personally think Skyrim is a much-much smarter and better written game than Oblivion, which I think is probably the worst of the three most recent titles.
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Sure it is, Skyrim is in many places an improvement to Oblivion, but that has more to do with the fact that Beth really had no other way ... but to go up after Oblivion :/.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
IIRC the Dragonborn ends up as Mora's bitch just like Miraak right?

EDIT: Phipps is Sam Fisher.
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Depends. If the DB lives forever he's basically Herma Mora's subordinate. If he dies, Akatosh takes the soul (or if there's another Dragonborn, the soul gets consumed - which is what happened to Miraak). Miraak never died the first time around; HM basically whisked him away and the Dragonpriests were confused as fuck.
 
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