Why is a battle going on in the DC ruins?

CT Phipps said:
I think the assumption Fallout 3 had bad writing is kind of cartoonishly exaggerated. I think they did a really good job with the world-building with some glaring exceptions. Personally, the idea Elder Lyons is a good man trying to do good things and not very good at it isn't that difficult of a character to write and is also backed up by the text in-game.

It also works out for Elder Lyons in the end. It's just because you save his ass.
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CT Phipps said:
Big Town is a settlement of teenagers. They're also kidnapping said teenagers to dip in FEV, not interested in wiping them out. I had a horribly amusing idea which makes the settlement almost work that Big Town and Little Lamplight are Supermutant Farms.

The kids grow up in LL under the protection of the Super Mutants then go on a trial on the wasteland to see if they're strong, then when they reach Bigtown, get grabbed by the Super Mutants to turn into Super Mutants.
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An admirable attempt at a theory. It almost makes sense actually. Until you take into account that Vault 87 is supposedly running out of FEV (the FEV it shouldn't have) and then ask the question "why would they send the grown children halfway across the capital wasteland to be kidnapped"? Honestly it would have been interesting if LL was a breeding thing for humans to be dipped. And there was an indoctrination type deal going on so they would just think becoming a super mutant was a natural part of growing up. Then we could replace the in game SM with the failed FEV experiment. At some point the vault expirements took over and began a new regime. Bam new creature with a crazy vault origin and everything is fixed.
 
R.Graves said:
An admirable attempt at a theory. It almost makes sense actually. Until you take into account that Vault 87 is supposedly running out of FEV (the FEV it shouldn't have) and then ask the question "why would they send the grown children halfway across the capital wasteland to be kidnapped"?
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I imagine because they, again, are a culture which reveres strength. It might explain why the Little Lamplighters do it because they're mimicking a tradition forced on them from a point in the past they have forgotten. The thing is, the Super Mutants are running out of FEV but have been using it regularly for decades. They're not out of it yet either and might think they could more of it. Either through making it or culturing it.

Honestly it would have been interesting if LL was a breeding thing for humans to be dipped. And there was an indoctrination type deal going on so they would just think becoming a super mutant was a natural part of growing up. Then we could replace the in game SM with the failed FEV experiment. At some point the vault expirements took over and began a new regime. Bam new creature with a crazy vault origin and everything is fixed.
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Yeah, it would have been cooler I think. LL as is is just weirdly placed.
 
CT Phipps said:
1. Uh, if someone is trying to exterminate you then you probably want to destroy them.

2. Not if the Brotherhood is able to keep the Super Mutants from reaching their home base. The Super Mutants are bunkering down and fortifying locations nearby the Citadel even if they're not there yet.

The battle is taking place in the Washington Mall because that's as close as they can get and both sides have territory there.
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Look man . I think you're in denial here . We can agree to disagree on many things , but on some we must agree , least logic will die.

Take a look at the map

http://i37.tinypic.com/2dihpqv.jpg

Look where vault 87 is ! Now look where the Citadel is . Now look at at the dc ruins east of the river , where the battle takes place . Now please look at what you said .

Also , look at the settlements near vault 87 that no one is ever attacking or defending ! What you are saying is that the mutants chose to ignore their goal to kidnap people in order to attack the brotherhood , so they travel aaall the way to the eastern side of the map , much further than the place where the brotherhood lives , and attack them from there . No matter how you look at it , it does not make any sense ! Admit it , man :)
It would make sense if vault 87 was for example in a place like Takoma . Then the brotherhood would be holding the mutants off in the dc , keeping them from reaching the other side of the river . But that's not the case!

You can still like the game and all , just admit that this little thing doesn't make sense , please .
 
You seem to have difficulty with the fact the Super Mutant and Brotherhood War may take precedence over kidnapping a bunch of settlers. The Super Mutants could have been eating and harrassing settlers for decades, if not centuries, until the Brotherhood showed up and started shooting them.

Now they have the Super Mutants full attention as well should they.

They're also engaged in a war which means you engage them when and where the enemy is. I'm sure the Super Mutants would love to engage the Pentagon directly but they're being engaged elsewhere.
 
But why in the DC ? No one lives in the DC , east side of the river . No enemy should be in the DC originally , neither the BOS nor the muties or anyone else . The main reason the BOS is patrolling the DC is to fight off the mutants , hold them off like you said , i believe they tell you that . They even wonder why that place is packed with mutants . So why are the mutants in the DC ?
 
Tragos114 said:
But why in the DC ? No one lives in the DC , east side of the river . No enemy should be in the DC originally , neither the BOS nor the muties or anyone else . The main reason the BOS is patrolling the DC is to fight off the mutants , hold them off like you said , i believe they tell you that . So why are the mutants in the DC ?
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Looking for "green stuff" as they call it. I dunno. :shrug:
 
Tragos114 said:
But why in the DC ? No one lives in the DC , east side of the river . No enemy should be in the DC originally , neither the BOS nor the muties or anyone else . The main reason the BOS is patrolling the DC is to fight off the mutants , hold them off like you said , i believe they tell you that . They even wonder why that place is packed with mutants . So why are the mutants in the DC ?
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Well the Super Mutants are looking for more FEV, maybe they're there, but I imagien it works like Red vs. Blue's "Box Canyon Dialogue"

 
I find it odd that the Supers band together, have some kind of hierarchy and are actually able to use weapons without training when they are so stupid to begin with.

They shouldn't be in Fallout 3.
 
Prone Squanderer said:
I find it odd that the Supers band together, have some kind of hierarchy and are actually able to use weapons without training when they are so stupid to begin with.

They shouldn't be in Fallout 3.
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I don't think Super Mutants are stupid, just really really pissed off.

Like the Hulk.
 
It's implied they are looking for FEV (no green stuff here...) so big important looking buildings to borderline retarded super mutants looks like a place you could find important stuff.

As for the Talon company I believe you can find a note saying they are being paid by an anonymous customer to clear the capital building out. Though Bethesda never goes into who's paying the Talon company to do any of things they are doing. Or the fact that the Capital Wasteland is practically devoid of any civilization, and the only people who are rich in the game are rich for no reason.
 
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