Why is Boston unhurt by the atomic bombs?

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by Proletären, Nov 9, 2015.

  1. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    In pictures Boston looks like it got out of the war without being nuked. How come so many buildings are still in such a good condition 200 years after the apocalypse?
     
  2. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Aug 16, 2010
    Bethesda listened to the complaints that 200 years after the War DC looked too much of a recently bombed shithole.
    They didn't listen in a good way, but hey, it's something...
     
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  3. retrocore9

    retrocore9 First time out of the vault

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    Nov 10, 2015
    First time poster here (but lurking for years and forgot my old username) but this reason alone is why I'm not picking up Fallout 4, at least right now. The fact that so many buildings are completely intact and civilization has come back to prosperous life is completely against the Fallout mythos.

    Played Fallout 1 and 2 when they were new and both were masterpieces. I think my opinions on Fallout 3 match this communities (which is wtf was that) and Fallout New Vegas was as close as we're going to get to a Fallout 1 and 2 in the modern gaming world.

    But this game just doesn't seem like Fallout at all. Or its some strange FPS with a fallout skin. I'm waiting for all of your's opinions because NMA to me represents the real fallout community and fans. But the huge intact buildings is number 1 of what seems terribly wrong with this new game.

    I almost think Brotherhood of Steel on ps2/original xbox was more fallout like than this.
     
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  4. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    In the begining of the game you can literally see an atomic bomb detonate but then when you exit the vault 200 years later the buildings are unhurt, they are just a bit decayed. I wonder if the game tries to explain that at all?
     
  5. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Aug 16, 2010
    Boston. Boston never changes.
     
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  6. rogerdv

    rogerdv First time out of the vault

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    Dec 18, 2007
    Ok, for a start, lets consider that after a nuclear war, there will be no earth left, not even on regions relatively far from impact points. I asked that in a forum, researching for a novel, and a post-apocalyptic scenario simply wont happen. So lets say that Sci-fi requires something called "suspension of disbelief", and assume that the city is almost intact, because it is needed that way due to narrative. Yes, surely a nuclear hit with a modern nuke would wipe any city. Hell, Havana is falling to pieces by itself without any nuke impact, and my city (Santiago) was hit by an hurricane 3 years ago that tore my roof (and many others) like paper, and thats far from a nuclear blast.
     
  7. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Do you try to excuse sloppy design? I am a bit confused.
     
  8. rogerdv

    rogerdv First time out of the vault

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    Dec 18, 2007
    Im not trying to excuse it. What I say is that if we were realistic, post-apocalyptic Boston would a plain place.
     
  9. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    No one's expecting hyper realism here. We know that this is a game. That we're talking about a game. And that we are (eventually) playing a game. But seriously, we are talking about common sense here. While most people probably don't know every detail about a nuclear weapon, most people probably have a pretty good understanding of what they are are capable of doing. It is like public knowledge. For example, Fallout is not the kind of world where the most common physical laws of gravity or water play no role. If you see water, you expect to drown once you jump in. And it is very similar with nuclear weapons. At least the center of the nuclear explosion should be, like you said, wiped clean from everything.
     
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  10. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    We expect vast plains with empty ruins away from ground zero, not world war 2 style bombings.
     
  11. Mr Enclave

    Mr Enclave First time out of the vault

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    Aug 31, 2015
    Same reason that D.C. was, to paraphrase some cretin at Bethesda "Exploring a ruined world would be boring". Someone said something to that effect so we have intact windows opposite the ground zero at Washington and a mostly intact Boston.

    Don't know why everyone was so scared of the bombs, apparently just they're full of rusting agents and enough force to smash a few windows - nothing serious.
     
  12. Battlecross

    Battlecross Banned

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    Jun 17, 2015
    Hilariously I've read the exact opposite from lore purists. That 3 was silly because after 200 years barely any civilization rebuilt. So which should it be?
     
  13. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    There should be more things like Shady Sands or Vault City.
     
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  14. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Civilization rebuilt is not the same as empty intact and empty buildings surviving what the lore describes as global destruction.

    How is this so hard for you to grasp?
     
  15. retrocore9

    retrocore9 First time out of the vault

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    Nov 10, 2015
    Exactly. I think Fallout 1 and 2 established the style pretty well with small, ramshackle cities and concrete bunker like fortresses. Fallout 3 kept to that style with Megaton and New Vegas of course was spot on. Fallout 4's rebuilt (or never destroyed) cities make it look like the bombs dropping wasn't a big deal.

    I think Fallout was really based on the computer game Wasteland which is another post apocalyptic game of survival. Wasteland's cities matched Fallouts also. Taking out the post apocalyptic setting and having huge intact cities just seems wrong. To be honest, there's more wrong with Fallout 4 then just the setting but its a pretty critical element.
     
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  16. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/First_Step

    Here, that's the quest that makes you the Leader of the Minutemen. As you can see it has 2 steps, talk to genric nameless NPCs about killing Generic Raiders in a generic ruin, then go kill the generic raiders and report to Gravyman. Instant Leader of a Faction.
     
  17. Sn1p3r187

    Sn1p3r187 Carolinian Shaolin Monk

    Apr 7, 2014
    I haven't played Fallout 4 to know about Boston. But is Boston inhabited? Maybe the inhabitants rebuilt the city as close to its former glory as possible. Unlike D.C to which we don't know why there aren't more cities or towns in D.C enough to say civilization has been kickstarted again there or that D.C was being rebuilt.
     
  18. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    How and with what materials? And why?

    Also Battlecross should get a warning for starting an off topic discussion.
     
  19. Sn1p3r187

    Sn1p3r187 Carolinian Shaolin Monk

    Apr 7, 2014
    That's why I asked is Boston inhabited.
     
  20. LiveOnTheEdge

    LiveOnTheEdge

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    Jun 22, 2015
    fallout.gamepedia.com/Boston

    Well according to that it was just one missile that hit the coastline. (Is that something that's actually confirmed, or is that wiki wrong?)
    Was it always like that, or was this just another retcon, or is this pretty much the first time Boston has been talked about in Fallout history?
    Then you have to ask what the blast radius of the missile is.
    Though you'd obvious expect some kind neglect and decay after 200 years assuming a lack of adequate or any upkeep.

    But if there was some sort of upkeep and renovation going on I wouldn't think it would seem so absurd, to an extent.

    (I don't have Fallout 4 so I don't know what it actually looks like all over.)

    Personally I would assume most places in the country would be pretty run down.
    But then again that might depend on how many people are left in any given area and what kind of building materials
    they have access to and how damaged the area was.