Dr Fallout
Centurion
Basically the game should make rules... and FOLLOW THEM.
Like Morrowind, the original Fallout games, Lord of the Rings and various other game/book/movie worlds.
Will Fallout 3 be remembered?
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Basically the game should make rules... and FOLLOW THEM.
Like Morrowind, the original Fallout games, Lord of the Rings and various other game/book/movie worlds.
TheRippaMan
First time out of the vault
Actually, you have a point there. I suppose that's the cost of appealing to the lowest common denominator. We all remember the great Baldur's Gate and Fallout, Wizardry, and all those great titles. They stick with us, and we still discuss them. I think the vast majority prefers to just throw away and forget when something new comes out. I don't hear anyone talk about Oblivion anymore or even Fallout 3. Actually, some people still think Fallout New Vegas was made by Bethesda.
Anyway, that's my newb post.
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Dr Fallout
Centurion
Mutant Screg
Totally not a mutant
Please don't kid yourself. While Fallout 1 is certainly in my own personal Top 10 Rpg list, it won't be widely remembered for much longer. Hell, it's already been forgotten by the majority of Fallout's modern fanbase. It's seen as just a simple predecessor, instead of an actual game.
5545Trey
Underground Deviant
That whole entire thread just screams idiocy. One of these people actually stated that Fallout 1's Core Region was just as "nonsensical" as Fallout 3's Capital Wasteland, using cigarettes to prove his point. No sane, logical person would say something this moronic. Fallout 1 had AGRICULTURE, for goodness sake. Why would it not make sense to actually rebuild from the Old World and start anew (a theme which was ignored in Fallout 3)? Are people on NeoGAF this stupid, or is this insane amount idiocy only on the Fallout forum?
It really all depends. For me, I would play a new game of F3 every now and then. This and New Vegas are a couple of my favourite games on the last gen, and it's still takes about to this day. Morrowind is still talked about almost just as much, many still regard it as the best elder scrolls game (which to be honest, isn't that hard to be). F3 hasn't aged nearly as well as some other games. I find more general love for it than the originals (which is a shame as they are classics).
I'm going with yes.
I'm going with yes.
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TorontoReign
Guest
Dead wrong. Fallout 1 and 2 are still spoken of all around the internet. Maybe not as much on shallow websites like IGN which are so focused on consoles and AAA games as opposed to good games. Wasteland is still being talked about even today and it is much older than Fallout.
Battlecross
Banned
While it is remembered fondly by many, you're overestimating how many because of where you go. I love the game Syndicate for example but almost no one remembers it, even if I find forums with 20 people who do.
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TorontoReign
Guest
Kids might not remember it. Adults who happen to have a more refined taste often do speak of it.
A lot of 30-somethings are quite aware of classics that are much more complicated than your mindless AAA garbage that exists today.
Dr Fallout
Centurion
Harsh Toront. True but harsh.
Earth
Vault Senior Citizen
With the Fallout games available on Steam and now (finally) re-released on GOG, gamers don't really have an excuse not to have noticed them.
naossano
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
The original Fallout are not only remembered by the playerbase, but also are used as a selling point by some current developpers.
Bar a few rare exceptions, the blueprint that made Fallout 1 & 2 is was barelly reused. Yet the playerbase is there, and still only have those two games to play as there isn't a new reference on the genre to replace them. Many developpers/publishers are trying to play on that feeling, saying that they draw direct inspiration from Fallout 1/Fallout 2/Planescape Torment/Arcanum, because they know very well that the playerbase is still waiting for someone to take that blueprint and make something worthwile out of it. And more often than not, they are still waiting because the product is underwhelming.
Still, we are quite lucky as sometime, we find games that are close to it, gameplay wise, like Wasteland 2 or Underrail, even if a bit lacking on C & C. Jagged Alliance fans are even more frustrated and there was never any single game close to it. So, that game, no matter the size of its playerbase, is still the ONLY reference of Jagged Alliance-like. It won't be replaced anytime soon.
On the other hand, there is several TES-like released every year, no matter if it is released by Beth, CD Projekt Red, Pyrranha Bytes, Rockstar Games, Deep Silver or any other publisher/developper. Those games are replaced very fast. So fast that we easily lose track of them.
Bar a few rare exceptions, the blueprint that made Fallout 1 & 2 is was barelly reused. Yet the playerbase is there, and still only have those two games to play as there isn't a new reference on the genre to replace them. Many developpers/publishers are trying to play on that feeling, saying that they draw direct inspiration from Fallout 1/Fallout 2/Planescape Torment/Arcanum, because they know very well that the playerbase is still waiting for someone to take that blueprint and make something worthwile out of it. And more often than not, they are still waiting because the product is underwhelming.
Still, we are quite lucky as sometime, we find games that are close to it, gameplay wise, like Wasteland 2 or Underrail, even if a bit lacking on C & C. Jagged Alliance fans are even more frustrated and there was never any single game close to it. So, that game, no matter the size of its playerbase, is still the ONLY reference of Jagged Alliance-like. It won't be replaced anytime soon.
On the other hand, there is several TES-like released every year, no matter if it is released by Beth, CD Projekt Red, Pyrranha Bytes, Rockstar Games, Deep Silver or any other publisher/developper. Those games are replaced very fast. So fast that we easily lose track of them.
swinedivine
First time out of the vault
Well, since we are seemingly on the necro-wave here, here my two cents go:
As far as the near future is concerned, say, two decades, Fallout 3 will maintain a much wider popularity in video gaming mainstream than the original games.
It will, however, get slowly overshadowed by all the Fallouts VI and TES IXs (that is, if Beths do not reboot the series)
So short term, FO3 wins, hands down.
But in the long term it is FO1 and 2 that is guaranteed more longevity, not because they were good games, but because, well, they were among the true CRPG classics and helped codify the whole genre.
To gaming they will be like what Citizen Kane or Battleship Potemkin (or whatever, not very versed in the subject) to cinema - predecessors, who are known (vaguely) and treated with vague sense of respect by many, but watched only by some enthusiasts and cinema specialists.
Fallout 3 would be mentioned then only in passing
In the history of gaming, Fallout 1 and 2 are a paragraph or a page, while Fallout 3 - a footnote.
(about a disgusting abortion resulting from an ungodly union of an FPS and an RPG)
Actually, when I think of it now, we've seen (or heard, at least) how the indie markets grew, and how many smaller developers (mainly those, who couldn't afford really nice graphics) understood, that good visual design is far more important, than
So maybe people will become once more accustomed to simple graphics, and if one can look past the graphics, which are functional, but look kinda like poo, then of all classical PC RPGs Fallout dilogy is probably the easiest on the newcomers.
It is mainly because of the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system: it's simple and easy to grasp even for a more knuckleheaded player like me, unlike with some other games (I'm giving a very hard and long look to all you DnD-based games out there), it has few variables, and you feel in-game, that every stat point counts, which is kind of what makes a RPG a RPG.
Combat is not spectacular, but functional.
The visual design is top-notch, the soundtracks (that get very little mention, sadly) are nigh impeccable and pass to the game perfectly.
And, needless to say, as far as writing and the situational design goes, the games are rock solid.
So...
A Post Nuclear Role-Playing Game Renaissance in 20 years?
Would be nice.
As far as the near future is concerned, say, two decades, Fallout 3 will maintain a much wider popularity in video gaming mainstream than the original games.
It will, however, get slowly overshadowed by all the Fallouts VI and TES IXs (that is, if Beths do not reboot the series)
So short term, FO3 wins, hands down.
But in the long term it is FO1 and 2 that is guaranteed more longevity, not because they were good games, but because, well, they were among the true CRPG classics and helped codify the whole genre.
To gaming they will be like what Citizen Kane or Battleship Potemkin (or whatever, not very versed in the subject) to cinema - predecessors, who are known (vaguely) and treated with vague sense of respect by many, but watched only by some enthusiasts and cinema specialists.
Fallout 3 would be mentioned then only in passing
In the history of gaming, Fallout 1 and 2 are a paragraph or a page, while Fallout 3 - a footnote.
(about a disgusting abortion resulting from an ungodly union of an FPS and an RPG)
Actually, when I think of it now, we've seen (or heard, at least) how the indie markets grew, and how many smaller developers (mainly those, who couldn't afford really nice graphics) understood, that good visual design is far more important, than
So maybe people will become once more accustomed to simple graphics, and if one can look past the graphics, which are functional, but look kinda like poo, then of all classical PC RPGs Fallout dilogy is probably the easiest on the newcomers.
It is mainly because of the S.P.E.C.I.A.L. system: it's simple and easy to grasp even for a more knuckleheaded player like me, unlike with some other games (I'm giving a very hard and long look to all you DnD-based games out there), it has few variables, and you feel in-game, that every stat point counts, which is kind of what makes a RPG a RPG.
Combat is not spectacular, but functional.
The visual design is top-notch, the soundtracks (that get very little mention, sadly) are nigh impeccable and pass to the game perfectly.
And, needless to say, as far as writing and the situational design goes, the games are rock solid.
So...
A Post Nuclear Role-Playing Game Renaissance in 20 years?
Would be nice.
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ZigzagPX4
The Swiftness of the Ranger
At least now the Fallout series get to inspire a future in two seperate genres.
The future is going to be hilarious.
"Hey, what was the series that sparked this line of great turn-based cRPGs set in the post-apocalypse?"
"Fallout."
"Wait, so what about that genre of crazy exploration FPS with a lot of varied features and is played worldwide. What inspired that?"
"Also Fallout."
"It can't be both, so which one did it inspire?"
"Both."
"Come ON!"
I really hope it turns out that way. I wouldn't want to see either side of the fanbase screwed.
The future is going to be hilarious.
"Hey, what was the series that sparked this line of great turn-based cRPGs set in the post-apocalypse?"
"Fallout."
"Wait, so what about that genre of crazy exploration FPS with a lot of varied features and is played worldwide. What inspired that?"
"Also Fallout."
"It can't be both, so which one did it inspire?"
"Both."
"Come ON!"
I really hope it turns out that way. I wouldn't want to see either side of the fanbase screwed.
Sergeant Politeness
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
Unfortunately,it will be remembered as one of the best RPGs...
naossano
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
I hope it doesn't become a reference of C & C compared with future games.
ZigzagPX4
The Swiftness of the Ranger
Bethesda's modern Fallouts aren't completely crap. They're fun in their own way, but I sorta agree. It's not going to be memorable as a game long-term. Simply because it's just like every game out there, and doesn't set itself apart.
If it had stayed true, would it and Firaxis' XCOM have completely changed gaming's perception on isometric turn-based games today? Or maybe not completely, but just significantly? Or even just slightly?
Sergeant Politeness
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
I bet it will. Just look at how people consider the Megaton choice as fantastic C & C...
Sergeant Politeness
Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?
I actually agree with you. Fallout 3 is a great game if you're looking for an FPS/eploration game (not sure for the genre) and it does what it is supposed to do perfectly. Exploring the Capital Wasteland, finding loot and doing the interesting (and stupid) quests is fun.
The problem is that this is not what Fallout is about and the game would've been the same if it never used the setting. It might have been actually better if Bethesda set the game a few years after the Great War and created their own factions.
I don't think the perception of isometric turn-based games with deep roleplaying would have changed if the serie stayed true. Most people who are playing Fallout 4 today are playing it because it's casual entertainement. They wouldn't be interested by an hypothetical new turn-based Fallout and it just wouldn't be as popular as it is today. Hell, I might have never discovered the games if it had stayed true to the original design.
ZigzagPX4
The Swiftness of the Ranger
I would rather Bethesda would just create their own setting. Post-apocalyptic art deco is great and all, but I can think of a few themes Bethesda's particular style of games (Elder Scrolls exploration) would fit with better.