Xcom 2 ?

Do you have any actual proof of that? Citeable proof that is not biased or pushing an agenda?

I've played my share of X-COM 2 and I can always find my way out of any bad situation or deal with enemies to shift the seed. Plus, deviating your actions if you save-scum (from my experiences) seems to shift the RNG to differing outcomes (i.e changing positions, killing an opponent or two).

The seed basically says when enemy does X roll (say, 1% or 100 chance to hit), it hits, or misses, based on the RNG.

Its entirely possible that the first enemies you meet will do nothing more than 1 hit your entire squad while you miss, and no amount of tactics will chance this from happening.

Its RNG, but its RNG which can't be altered during gameplay.
 
The seed basically says when enemy does X roll (say, 1% or 100 chance to hit), it hits, or misses, based on the RNG.

Its entirely possible that the first enemies you meet will do nothing more than 1 hit your entire squad while you miss, and no amount of tactics will chance this from happening.

Its RNG, but its RNG which can't be altered during gameplay.
:confused: :scratch: I asked for cite-able proof. Not a statement. A link to reputed sites that confirm your point?

Because my own experiences with the game suggest otherwise. Using full cover for instance, hunkering down, killing those first enemies before they get a chance to open fire, those seem to prevent instant OHKO of whole squads (since you bypassed that supposed 'unalterable' RNG by metaphorically cutting off the middle-man). So you'll have to excuse me for not buying the claim of "unfair RNG from the get go".

Honestly, I have my doubts in trusting what you're saying at the moment since IIRC, your latest triple-A grudge is apparently against X-COM 2, when you ought to be going after things like GTA 5 and their ilk. So again, you'll have to excuse me for not believing what you're saying.
 
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:confused: :scratch: I asked for cite-able proof. Not a statement. A link to reputed sites that confirm your point?

Because my own experiences with the game suggest otherwise. Using full cover for instance, hunkering down, killing those first enemies before they get a chance to open fire, those seem to prevent instant OHKO of whole squads (since you bypassed that supposed 'unalterable' RNG by metaphorically cutting off the middle-man). So you'll have to excuse me for not buying the claim of "unfair RNG from the get go".

Honestly, I have my doubts in trusting what you're saying at the moment since IIRC, your latest triple-A grudge is apparently against X-COM 2, when you ought to be going after things like GTA 5 and their ilk. So again, you'll have to excuse me for not believing what you're saying.

Dude, its RNG...It has a CHANCE to happen, doesn't mean it always will...

And hunkering down only means the seed for X% will be used instead of the ones for non-cover.

For all you know, the seed makes cover have a HIGHER chance to get your guys killed.

I actually like Xcom2, it could be a lot better, and I hate the devs for ruining it with DLC shit which breaks the game, but overall its okay.

Boring I guess, there's so little to do, and every turn takes fucking ages, AND EVERY MISSION BASICALLY HAS A TIMER! GRAH!
 
Dude, its RNG...It has a CHANCE to happen, doesn't mean it always will...

And hunkering down only means the seed for X% will be used instead of the ones for non-cover.

For all you know, the seed makes cover have a HIGHER chance to get your guys killed.
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So NO actual proof for your claim despite my requests (it is also not hard to admit that you made this part up and can't cite it) and didn't you say that the RNG seed is certain, no matter the deviation so how does chance work in your point?

Okay then...

Point forgotten and dropped. Also quoting @eissa;
THAT'S X-COM BABY! :whatever:
 
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So NO actual proof for your claim despite my requests (it is also not hard to admit that you made this part up and can't cite it) and didn't you say that the RNG seed is certain, no matter the deviation so how does chance work in your point?

Okay then...

Point forgotten and dropped. Also quoting @eissa;
THAT'S X-COM BABY! :whatever:

You want me to start like a million new games just to fine one possible unavoidable outcome?...
 
Well, until the invention of plate armour, most swords were used with one hand, with a shield as the other hand
hmm...hand a half sword/bastard sword and some earlier greatsword appear far much earlier before plate armor take in place on battlefield particulary the Oakeshott type XIII and XIV. The tip of the blade do become narrower to suit the need of its piercing capability in later period (at least after 1366)

A single arrow which penetrates is comparable to a single blow of a melee weapon, but the chance of being repeatedly penetrated by an arrow is unlikely.

Arrows mostly cause their damage from either bleeding, or the lucky penetration to a major organ (VERY unlikely if it goes through even a bog-standard gamberson and chain armour, yet alone plate)

Infection is a nasty thing which caused many deaths by arrows, but its way too slow to be reliable in a fight.

A dude with 5 arrows partially stuck into him can potentially still fight and charge ahead, a dude with 5 mace blows is probably wondering where some of his bones went.

Poison arrows/Dirty arrows were used, but I don't really see any statistics that it was particularly common, normally dirty weapons were frowned upon in medieval warfare (like bloody swords and such).
an arrow is a large sharp object and, unlike a gunshot wound such as from low velo musket, continued abrasion from inside the wound can and will further aggravate the wound that it made. An arrow stuck and basically Any movement on your part that involves the area around the arrow wound will bring more pain and possibly cut you more. And if the arrow hit you anywhere besides the butt or maybe the back, then it's going to be a major problem fighting with it. The protrusion is a significant obstacle to any kind of effective swinging, stabbing, running, riding, etc.
Most arrow were aimed at torso, sometime a soldier would get hit in his arm or leg but like i said above it would become a hindrance to his fighting capability. The bad thing, Torso is home to major vital organ of the body. either your lung or your abdomen. Unlike sword or mace, an archer could do this from distance.

A sharpened longpoint bodkin arrow could even penetrate the best gambeson and some earlier unriveted mail
Here is a sheet on how Medieval armors stacked up against Halberd blades, lances and arrows(the ammount of energy needed to penetrate them) from Knight and Blast Furnace by Alan Williams.(Keep in mind Roman mail was heavier and had smaller links than Medieval mail)

On 1.9mm Wrought Iron munitions Plate armor(about the same thickness of Lorica Segmentata when not overlapped)(without padding btw)


>190 J from Blade
>100 J from Lance
>75/80 joules from an arrow

Mild-Steel Mail with Linen padding(16 layers)

>200 J from blade
>200 J from lance
-80 J from arrow pierced the mail, 100 J ripped through the padding completley.

Low carbon steel Mail with Linen padding(16 layers)
-170 J from blade
-140 J from lance
-Arrow result was same as Mild steel.

Linen Jack of 16 layers

-80 J from blade
-50 J from lance

In the mail test 80 J arrow pierced the mail+Linen. It only took 20 more J to rip though the 16 layers of Linen completley. Buff leather(hide) was no better against arrows since it only to a 30 J arrows got through.

Poison arrows/Dirty arrows were used, but I don't really see any statistics that it was particularly common, normally dirty weapons were frowned upon in medieval warfare (like bloody swords and such)
There is a Byzantine source describing the Slavs as making use of poisoned arrows.


The Dacians (and even the medieval Moldovans) commonly employed poisoned arrows against their enemies. Maurikios also stated that the Slavs and Antes used poisoned arrows. The poison was drawn from the poisonous venom of vipers that live in the Carpathian mountains.

Another Byzantine source suggesting the use of poisoned arrows is Leo VI's Taktika. From Osprey's "Romano-Byzantine Armies 4th-9th Centuries

"Leo VI's Taktika advised Byzantine archers to use poisoned arrows against the Muslims' horses, a tactic which may have been adopted from the Slavs."

The african archer from mali empire and nubian kingdom also known to employ poisoned arrow and javelin. The mali archer for example, inflicted a series of defeats against the Portuguese at when they defended against the raid on the Senegambian coast in 1444. Nubian archer famously defeat arab fast cavalry with the help of poisoned arrow and superior marksmanship

There.. :D
 
Well, no shit getting shot by an arrow is bad, but compared to even early gun shots, its not much.

People can fight with 5-6 arrows sticking out of their body if they're high on adrenaline and nothing important has been hit.

People hit by 5-6 musket rounds won't be standing, they'll be a crumpled mess on the ground.
 
People can fight with 5-6 arrows sticking out of their body if they're high on adrenaline and nothing important has been hit.
did you have prove?
both are equally bad, but arrow injury is even worse. It Cuts your muscle and nerve to the point that it might fatal and permanent depend on the injury were located. Also removing musket ball is more easier than arrow like i said before.
 
did you have prove?
both are equally bad, but arrow injury is even worse. It **Cuts** your muscle and nerve to the point that it might fatal and permanent depend on the injury were located. Also removing musket ball is more easier than arrow like i said before

No, arrows are NOT worse than musket balls, how can you even compare the two?

Musket balls can pulverise bones and ribs, and have immense hydrostatic shock.

Lets compare the energies of both things, an arrow (fired fromr your usual warbow) and a musket ball.

Arrow=113.76 joules

Musket Ball (Frired from an aquebus, an EARLY as hell gun)= 663 joules

One has literally 6 times the energy of the other, and unless the ball overpenetrates, its ALL going into you.
 
no i just curious, what arrow head injury you are referring so that muh a man high on adrenaline could resist 5 arrow sticking on their body. Despite what movie ussually potray, arrow injury is not something that to be taken easy in the past
 
no i just curious, what arrow injury you are referring so that muh a man high on adrenaline could resist 5 arrow sticking on their body.

Simple human anatomy?

Humans can tank actual bullets when high on adrenaline, .38 special revolvers weren't doing the job on drugged tribals, so they had to go up to .45 ACP for the stopping power.

I am not saying the human will be in good shape, but he'll be able to stand, at the least, and maybe even get a few swings at someone else.

But lets assume he's wearing the bare minimum of protection, a gamberson...And now the arrows are barely penetrating into him, making him even BETTER in shape.

Meanwhile a musket will go right through, and cause massive trauma.
 
Simple human anatomy?

Humans can tank actual bullets when high on adrenaline, .38 special revolvers weren't doing the job on drugged tribals, so they had to go up to .45 ACP for the stopping power.

I am not saying the human will be in good shape, but he'll be able to stand, at the least, and maybe even get a few swings at someone else.

But lets assume he's wearing the bare minimum of protection, a gamberson...And now the arrows are barely penetrating into him, making him even BETTER in shape.

Meanwhile a musket will go right through, and cause massive trauma.
did you have any historical source for this? i dont doubt that some people who were high on drug could whistand bullet shot without easily succumb on pain, but high on adrenaline? could you define that


But lets assume he's wearing the bare minimum of protection, a gamberson...And now the arrows are barely penetrating into him, making him even BETTER in shape.
but what gambeson? what protection he's wearing? there's so many different specification and layer for gambeson that generally grouping them to one is problematic. Hell just look at this 16 layer gambeson + Riveted maille
INhZ6us.jpg


Quite deep i would say...

Edit: also definitely contradicting your earlier statement of maille having better chance to resisting arrow
 
did you have any historical source for this? i dont doubt that some people who were high on drug could whistand bullet shot without easily succumb on pain, but high on adrenaline? could you define that



but what gambeson? what protection he's wearing? there's so many different specification and layer for gambeson that generally grouping them to one is problematic. Hell just look at this 16 layer gambeson + Riveted maille
INhZ6us.jpg


Quite deep i would say...

Edit: also definitely contradicting your earlier statement of maille having better chance to resisting arrow

Oh hey, point blank arrow shots penetrate weaker armour! Who would have thought!

Post one at 100-200 yards/meters doing it.

As far as I am aware of, citations of 'people on adrenaline tanking bullets' aren't really found, because go figures once it wears off, they die and succumb to the trauma.

Its like the people who lose arms and shit without a care.

Remember 24 hours? The dude cut his fucking arm off, bone included, with a blunt knife and remained awake.
 
Oh hey, point blank arrow shots penetrate weaker armour! Who would have thought!

Post one at 100-200 yards/meters doing it.
what about your effort? at least i give you evidence not just rumbling reactionary argument.

but hey...you didn't even bother to prove your claim regarding RNG, so why even bother with this lol
no offence for that, there's plenty of time in internet anyway so i'll always be waiting here :D
 
what about your effort? at least i give you evidence not just rumbling reactionary argument.

but hey...you didn't even bother to prove your claim regarding RNG, so why even bother with this lol
no offence for that, there's plenty of time in internet anyway so i'll always be waiting here :D

Oh, I'm sorry I can't film myself shooting people to test their durability against fucking arrows and gunfire.

How many fucking videos are there of people being shot and surviving?
 
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