Your opinion on the Brotherhood of Steel

[FalloutTroll]

Well, i don't adore them, but all the technology and the other things seem really fun when first playing thorough the game. So i usually would become a part of them

 

[Wish I had a cool name9]

Wish I had a cool name9 wrote:


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Lyons strayed from the Path and that will be his downfall.

Killing Super Mutants who are threat to the continued existence humanity be denying them victims seems to be within the charter of the BOS


Based on what? You remember it takes a lot of work to convince them to help you attack the base in Fallout 1? Do you remember you actually need to convince them the mutants are a risk for *them*?

I believe I remember that Paladin Jacob swore an oath to kill any SM he encountered. As well as dispatching soldiers in blimps to pursue the super mutant army. Hunting Supermutants is well within the confines of the Brotherhood mission.

 

[AntonioBarbarian]

Considering the DC Chapter, the BOS would keep it's routine of patrolling downtown, manly due to being stretched too thin (garrisoning the Citadel, the Sat. Comm. Array, GNR, Project Purity, Washington Monument and scavenging Adams AFB) while recruiting a few local conscripts. They probably wouldn't go much further than this, as they would have VERY LITTLE troops to spare to reensack Vault 87 or smash Paradise Falls, I do picture, however, the Lyons' Pride doing some field working on more important places, like Vault 112, National Guard Depot, the old Corvega Factory, the military forts around the countryside.

The Outcasts would probably do the same, except protect the locals, which the BOS wouldn't do either, a more discussable and also interesting scenario would be when Lyons passed away, mainly as to who would lead the BOS, it wouldn't be very surprising to see Casdin involded in one way or another, either directly competing for the throne or supporting a candidate, maybe Sarah Lyons as she is more adept at command than her father, another candidate and perhaps THE best one would be the Lone Wanderer, seeing as he/she did in a matter of days VARIOUS things the BOS couldn't do in 20 years.

As for the other chapters, maybe except for the Midwestern Brotherhood, they would probably fall in the darkness if they don't modernise, as we don't really know the situation of the BOS in the Core Region, though it could be assumed theres some sort of succesion crisis there based on the Citadel's Computer Entries.

The Midwestern Brotherhood would probably either be ironing their control over the Midwest or be expanding, most probably into Canada, due to there being no know organised forces there.

 

[LuckyShot7777]

They have doomed themselves, and with them the hopeful people of the DC area who hoped for saviours from huge number of problems plaguing them, and instead they got a bunch of idiots wanting to play Arthur's Noble Knights in Shining Armour.

It's pretty damn funny that the whole BoS playing Arthur's Knights thing was an actual Easter egg in Fallout 2

 

[Slaughter Manslaught]

You know, when I saw Enclave and Super Mutants in F3 for first time and Beth said those SM are not same as West Coast SM, I was certain both groups are connected. I thought Enclave is produceing those East SMs from wastelanders to have obidient military force while Enclave soldiers are supporting strike force. But no. Insted we have mutants without any leader or even idea to support why they are doing what they do and Enclave with milion soldier all equiped with plasma weapons and Power Armor (excluding officers, cause you know, officers are born bulletproof and don`t need any armor).

I thought (when I saw those mutants within stasis chambers) that they were cranking out Super Muties to scare and panick people and as a proxy to attack their oponents without tiping their hand, thus allowing them to "swoop in" and "save" everyone and take over.
It would explain why they are different super mutants: Old-school Super Mutants would rebel, and they would also clue in the BOS that there's someone using Mariposa's FEV in DC.

Unfortunately, that was too intelligent for Bethesda.

 

[MASTER-OF-SUPRISE]

Lyons doesn't know how to lead. He is passionate about the goals he sets for himself and these blind him to ultimately more important issues. He always "hunts his white whale", first the Super Mutants then the Enclave, because fighting is all he understands. He showed no real understanding of politics or the importance of social infrastructures or government.

Seriously, nobody lives in the downtown DC area. It would have been easy to just contain the Super Mutants there and then move onto policing the outer wastes. There is almost no BoS presence there, as they instead choose to mess around hiding in their Pentagon hole, so real issues like slavery, raiders and the Super Mutants in Vault 87 are left unattended until you do all the work for them. As they have no knowledge of government or technology outside of weapons I can hardly see how they could help people make food for themselves, or other REAL ways of helping the Wasteland (and nice job Bethesda purifying the river water at the MOUTH of the river, because that will help) The only real help they would be good for are as caravan guards

The "Outcasts" had it right. They should have stuck to their original goal of collecting the huge wealth of tech in the DC area then returned to the West Coast. They don't know how to lead a people so they doom themselves in trying, especially as they don't have the numbers to police the entire Capital Wasteland. Back in the West Lyons could have told more people of the DC people's plight, and then REAL groups like the Followers of the Apocalypse could have gone to help. Seriously, how does breaking yourself away from the BoS's main group help at all? As Lyons was high up in the Brotherhood (unlike Veronica in New Vegas) he could have gained more members to join his more charitable cause, maybe even help change the Brotherhood modernise beyond their outdated values. But by becoming a renegade he loses all credibility.

Their actions are not noble. They are incompetent and ill-thought out. Even their giant robot got blown up. They have doomed themselves, and with them the hopeful people of the DC area who hoped for saviours from huge number of problems plaguing them, and instead they got a bunch of idiots wanting to play Arthur's Noble Knights in Shining Armour.

(Sorry, went a bit mental there. It was interesting thinking on this, though I won't vouch for all my points made being perfect, but the gist is there)

I disagree. I think Lyons made steps in the right direction while Casdin and the Outcast have gone backwards. By their Attitude alone the Outcast eliminate any allies they could've had and damaged their own mission. Lyons has made steps that have not only gained him allies should he need them but more technology than Casdin can hope too have. He has an airforce base, the pentagon, Fort Banister, the purifier, and GNR. Casdin has Fort independence and maybe Bailey's crossroads. If anything I find Casdin too be Ahab chasing his technology white whale.

I know the tech the outcast have because I brought it too them. Casdin is following the West Coast Brotherhood approach and like the West coast Brotherhood they're failing. Hoarding that technology is saving no one but themselves and if they even do plan too share that tech by the time they are willing time will have passed them by.

 

[CT Phipps]

My opinion on the Lyons BOS is that he's much like Joshua Graham in that his soldiers are certainly capable but not very good tactically. The Super Mutant threat is an extensive one and he's severely outgunned trying to fight it even if it is protecting the local wastelanders. I'm not saying it was a poor decision to wage the war but it may well have been a conflict he was biting off more than he could chew regarding.

The situation with the Enclave was also a sign of both sides being idiots since neither Colonel Autumn or the BOS wanted anything different from the battle. The Enclave of the 200 PGW era are different from the Enclave of 100 years prior and with the exception of an insane ZAX computer, there's no need for them to fight over who turns on a water purifier with James, Autumn, Eden, the LW, and Lyons leading to the pointless destruction of Raven's Rock as well as all of its citizens.

The fact all of this leads to F4's Midwestern BoS redux also causes me to question whether it was worth it.