Your opinion on the Brotherhood of Steel
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Mistrz said:Have any of old factions made any sense in F3?
I'd say the Enclave. They were evil in Fallout 2 with not much known about them until the very end of the game. From what I remember Fallout 3 Enclave where also evil with not much known about them. Although that could have been do to the crappy story telling and writing.
You know, when I saw Enclave and Super Mutants in F3 for first time and Beth said those SM are not same as West Coast SM, I was certain both groups are connected. I thought Enclave is produceing those East SMs from wastelanders to have obidient military force while Enclave soldiers are supporting strike force. But no. Insted we have mutants without any leader or even idea to support why they are doing what they do and Enclave with milion soldier all equiped with plasma weapons and Power Armor (excluding officers, cause you know, officers are born bulletproof and don`t need any armor).
Oppen
FIXT n°1 fan
Mistrz said:
Actually, the poisoning is optional. I'm not sure how it happened in canon, is it explicited somewhere?
I think it's over here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallout_3
Oppen
FIXT n°1 fan
No, it's not, and it's really arguably that it should. The article for Fallout 3 doesn't need at all to make explicit all of the canon decissions, but those that are relevant. The defeat, alright, it's obviously canon, I never questioned that. The poisoning is completely optional in game, so to assume it was done that way, one should get canon sources. Else, it's up to what the player wants to think that happened.Vice Gray said:
As an OT sidenote, reading again Eden's plan, that game makes even less sense than before. The modifed FEV using in the oil rig affected everyone. They had to get inoculated first, it wasn't their "purity" what made them immune. That's the whole reason why you are able to use it against them in FO 2.
EDIT: I thought you were referring to my question about if the poisoning of the Enclave at the end of FO 2 was actually defined as canon.
I'm not sure what you are talking about.
Earth
Vault Senior Citizen
Mistrz said:
Silly Mistrz. They're doing what they do because they're EVIL CANNIBAL MONSTERS with NO BRAINS (who can apparently still operate the FEV and miniguns)
There doesn't need to be a reason for why they go around slaughtering people for no reason. They just do. Because they're dumb monsters. And that's what monsters do. (such beautiful Bethesda logic)
BonusWaffle
Still Mildly Glowing
Werent they just trying to repopulate themselves? They cant reproduce sexually so they need to kidnap people and inject them with their fev strain
Oppen
FIXT n°1 fan
BonusWaffle said:
Aham. So, they want to repopulate themselves, because...
Wait, REpopulate?
BonusWaffle
Still Mildly Glowing
Oppen said:
because thats what species that survive do? And yes repopulate, when people in your society die, you need more to replace them or you will cease to exist.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
They want to reproduce so they go out of their cave somehow completely ignoring Little Lamplight, go to a town of losers and junk and kidnap them to keep them in the Police station until they die or around fountains until someone comes to rescue them.
BonusWaffle
Still Mildly Glowing
Walpknut said:
Maybe they cant do it with children. Maybe thats why little lamplight is around, because no one wants to fuck with the mutants human farm. Of course im just making things up to try and explain something that should have been better explained to begin with. I just dont think that the accusation that their motivation to leave the vault and kidnap people is ridiculous. That part makes sense to me.
Earth
Vault Senior Citizen
I just find it annoying how braindead and directionless they are. They were PEOPLE (as were the feral ghouls) but all Bethesda cares about is creating respawnable enemies. If you make them mindless and cannibalistic all the better, so now the player can happily mow them down without thinking.
Oppen
FIXT n°1 fan
BonusWaffle said:
You think species CONSCIOUSLY try to repopulate?
AFAIK, one does just follow instincts, developed through millions of years.
The ones which had the instinct to procreate had obviously a bigger tendency to leave offspring, so this is a common instinct.
We humans have no intrinsic instinct to have children in specific, mostly because anticonceptives got invented not too long ago in our history. Now, think about the mutant. First, they don't get their genes on the next generation, so their instincts doesn't matter for the 'offspring'. Second, their instinct to procreate is probably the same humans have. Which is to fuck as much as they can. I can see how they'd rape humans, but that doesn't explain turning new humans into mutants. Also, since east coast supermutants are mostly ape minded, do you think they'd actually realize "hey, we are sterile, haven't you figured? and we should leave offspring, because, man, that's what species do". Nah.
Also, as depicted in FO 3, they have no society aside from a "kill, kidnap, mutate" life style. They don't even seem to divide tasks for that regard. So, replace the dead, for what?
BonusWaffle
Still Mildly Glowing
Oppen people dont survive very well on their own. Even mutants are smart enough to figure out that the more of them there are the better chance they have.