Ze Führer is taking ower US! - Turning Point -

Discussion in 'General Gaming and Hardware Forum' started by iii, Dec 12, 2007.

  1. iii

    iii Vault Dweller

    Oct 10, 2005
    Hmm, this game could be a lot of fun!


    On the other side the story might be full of cheesy bullshit and the game is going to suck...

    Most alternative universes that have a Nazi World Domination Theme (tm) are quite annoying and ...well.... just seem dumb.
  2. generalissimofurioso

    generalissimofurioso The Hole Time Orderite

    Jun 17, 2007
    That's because most alternate history with Nazis exist solely for the premise of saying...

    Nazis are in control, ooooooooh!

    It's a terrible and bleak existence!

    Let America do what they want because if it wasn't for them we'd all be speaking German and wearing lederhosen!
  3. Makenshi

    Makenshi Ahoy, ye salty dogs!

    Jul 28, 2006
    Actually, my impression when reading history books, is that the soviets where the big winners. At least they resisted mostly on their own, while England has stong economic support from the US. And they reached Berlim first.

    Again, I said mostly, because they received something from the western allies. Please Brother None, don't destroy my post with a better one of your own! :mrgreen:
  4. fallout ranger

    fallout ranger Vault Dweller

    Sep 18, 2004
    Looks cool to me.
  5. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
    Has to be better than Resistance:Fall of Man.
  6. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    May 27, 2004
    it's just a generic shooter really. dont expect much.

    not to say it wont briefly entertain you though...
  7. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all

    Apr 3, 2003
    Nothing to destroy. There're common misconception that...

    - The SU only beat the Germans because of a harsh winter

    - The SU only survived thanks to American military support.

    The fact is...

    - The Lend-Lease aid from the US to the SU was started right after the German invasion, but did not begin to arrive in quantity until late 1942

    The three factors that historians agree upon to have defeated the nazis on the East Front are...

    - Dogged resistance of the Red Army, right down to defending Kiev with 500,000 casualties or St. Petersburg (Leningrad), Moscow and Stalingrad with millions of casualties.

    - Fast mobilization of the SU heavy industry to produce armaments

    - Mistakes by Hitler and his generals (most noticeably in July 1991, when Hitler let his army just sit around rather than attack straight on)

    The invasion force that hit the SU consisted of 3.4 million soldiers, 3,350 tanks and 2,000 warplanes, still the largest invasion force in human history. At the end of the war 6 times as many Germans were fighting on the Eastern Front than against the British and later Americans and Canadians.

    The claim that the US saved Europe from the Nazis is borderline ludicrous. Their operations in North Africa and Italy never significantly reduced pressure on the SU, and they didn't strike until it was too late. The SU would have suffered even more losses without US aid, but the tide of war had turned in February 1943 in Stalingrad, without much US aid.

    It is accurate to say the US invasion saved part of Europe from the Soviets, though. But the way the whole war is shown to Americans and Western Europeans as a US victory over the Nazis is just vomitous. They barely did shit.
  8. iii

    iii Vault Dweller

    Oct 10, 2005
    Jawohl! Hitler is still among us and pulling the strings from an underground bunker on the southpole... :mrgreen:

    Ok thats spam but still a funny mistake if you look at the game which is discussed here :wink: .

    Oh you forgot to give some shotouts to the Japanese for not going to war with Russia when Hitler asked them to.

    As a result the Russian could withdraw their troops from their easter border and use them against the Germans.
  9. shihonage

    shihonage Made in USSR

    May 8, 2007
    Fixed for factual accuracy ;)

    EDIT: and then I read Brother None's post.

    Preach on brother (no pun intended) ! Every time someone says Americans defeated Hitler, a little part of me dies on the inside.
  10. generalissimofurioso

    generalissimofurioso The Hole Time Orderite

    Jun 17, 2007
    This makes me wonder if my dream of making an alternate history game in which you play as a German soldier during a WWII where Germany got the Nuke first would fly these days...
  11. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Kind of reminds me of that awful Star Trek Enterprise episode during which the characters travelled to an alternate history in which aliens had helped the Nazis during WW2.

    I have also had chats with US people who were dead convinced that it had been the United States that had defeated the Nazi menace, ignoring the resistance that was taking place in Europe or the Soviet Union's own campaign.

    As for Nazis in games, thats simple; Nazis are cool, the true embodiment of evil!
    Games really are going back to the roots of simple themes
  12. OK, number 1.

    The Germans we're vastly greater than any other army in the world at that time "except for Soviet birth-rate and economics".

    Number 2. Post WW2 with the nazi's as the victors would actually create a eutopia, after we all we're killed. No more political enemies + the economic superpower of the german propoganda machine + All mentally ill, genetically inferior, and any race that might segregate the people in any way, are eliminated = Years of prosperity for those who survived.

    Just remember, Hitler wasn't Satan, or a racist, or even a Nazi... He was a hardcore utilitarian politician to the core. Solving problems with a "Final Solution"

    I do not condone hitler in anyway, nor am a Nazi.
  13. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all

    Apr 3, 2003
    Not really. Stalin was a utilitarian, Hitler was just batshit insane.

    In fact, National-Socialism as a political ideology is inherently self-destructive. It leans on its political apparat and army production for a kind of forced economic growth, and to do that it needs either war or civil strife. Nazism could never have provided years of prosperity, it was inherently flawed.

  14. I'm sure the economics would have shifted toward other areas after the nazi's had taken over, though to do so they would have had to exterminate billions of people to do so, or change the doctrine given in the propaganda machine. What is left after that conflict is what inherently would cause a well.. i guess you can say "Post Apocalyptic Eutopia" as an odd title for it. A one government world of citizens with inherently no genetic flaws or social differences "Race itself no longer exists", And loads of technological advances from the prior conflicts. That is "IF" Hitlers ideologies we're fufilled. Not counting technicalities on why those ideologies would be improbable. I wasn't refering to the ending result government baring resemblance to Socialism, but more or less the implicated effects of the event of a Nazi takeover, post-strife.
  15. Paladin Solo

    Paladin Solo So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Nov 7, 2003
    Too bad nature doesn't play by the rules of the Master Race.
  16. Dracon M'Alkir

    Dracon M'Alkir Vault Senior Citizen

    Jul 19, 2004
    This game actually looks pretty cool. I wonder how the gameplay will hold up. By the sounds of it, it seems like there's some sort of RPG system in the works "As a citizen, you must decide what to believe, the propoganda or your own country's system, what if you find that the Germans have been doing it the right way, actually? etc."

    Might become another VtMB. Who knows?

    We'll just have to wait and see.
  17. Mord_Sith

    Mord_Sith Mildly Dipped

    Sep 21, 2007
    I was under the impression that the war ended late 1945 BN, don't tell me that ALL of the history texts are wrong?:P
  18. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    May 27, 2004
    That's only what they wanted you to believe Sith!
  19. PlanHex

    PlanHex Legislative Senator oTO Staff Member Admin Orderite Board Cop oTO

    Nov 4, 2007
    So the Illuminati kept Hitler alive and BN is a part of the conspiracy...
    Nice to know.
  20. Every response including the python, made me lol.... hard.....

    Real fuckin hard.