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Some guy told me Neanderthals never existed yesterday.
Zegh's Dinosaur Thread
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Tell him a Neathertal told you today, that he doesn't exist.
I am just born there (Mannheim) my parents are from Serbia. So the ridge is even bigger.
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The funny thing is he turned around and said Giants did exist. I almost flipped my head around at the minor distinction based upon fear of the Theory of Evolution.
Well my sister believes the earth to be flat and gravity to just be a "theory" ...
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I could explain WHY she believes that but it just has to do with electro magnetic fields. She isn't totally wrong she just believes whatever is on Youtube.
I always liked the idea of the pan-human notion of "an other" - especially one beyond just skin and subtle differences, but an irreconcilable other - a distinct species, like a yeti, or a hobbit, or a troll, or a neanderthal, and as always, everything is a gradient, so with neanderthals it's right there between irreconcilable and immutably human, leading to the whole range of interaction from regular interbreeding, to the extermination of the "lesser" form as a species of its own
I mean - I don't discount that humans can't just *imagine* straight up "others", we do all the time - everything from angels to superheros to ghosts and draugs, but i like the idea of this certain wilderness other having some grain in very ancient re-tellings
Compare to for example supplament myths, titans versus the olympians, jotnir versus the æsir - in both, titans/jotnir can be understood originally as just elder forms, ancestral - or originally native, doomed to be supplanted by the later arrivals - BUT ALSO both titans and jotnir have grown into trollish aesthetics over time, giants, primates, primordial even
I mean - I don't discount that humans can't just *imagine* straight up "others", we do all the time - everything from angels to superheros to ghosts and draugs, but i like the idea of this certain wilderness other having some grain in very ancient re-tellings
Compare to for example supplament myths, titans versus the olympians, jotnir versus the æsir - in both, titans/jotnir can be understood originally as just elder forms, ancestral - or originally native, doomed to be supplanted by the later arrivals - BUT ALSO both titans and jotnir have grown into trollish aesthetics over time, giants, primates, primordial even
I always found it fascinating that we humans are actually apparantly just that branch of the Homo sapiens tree that simply didn't die out. Some scientists however say that there was a time period where it came close. Like maybe just some 10.000 individuals might have been present at the same time or something. It kinda makes you wonder if we would have never existed, maybe the Neatherthal would be now here in our place? Or some other humanoid species? Or what if that asteroid never hit earth. Could there be intelligent Dinosaurs runing around today? Kinda fascinating. But at the same time pointless because there is absolutely no way of knowing.
I think the point is that when you believe the earth to be flat then you also have to kinda not believe in the way gravity is explained as well because gravity is kinda the reason why the earth is a ball apparantly and not I don't know a cube or flat or what ever. Relatively flat objects do exist out there in space or well in all sorts of weird shapes like that turd-asteroid. But due to the size of planets they typical form spheres because that's kinda the way things form if gravity is a force that has some effect. So yeah. I do understand it. But it's still hogwash.
Holy shit dude, WHY would you give me a question like that, knowing what a nerd i am!? Are you serious!?
New research on magpies suggest they might be close to chimpanzee levels of intelligence! They have verbalized language *with* complex grammar, a vocabulary, they have complex social structures, they keep overlapping coops, they talk dude - they talk to each others! They are theropod dinosaurs - a special little branch that survived EXACTLY like in your example! It happened!
*out of breath... *
I was actually more thinking about something different ...Holy shit dude, WHY would you give me a question like that, knowing what a nerd i am!? Are you serious!?
New research on magpies suggest they might be close to chimpanzee levels of intelligence! They have verbalized language *with* complex grammar, a vocabulary, they have complex social structures, they keep overlapping coops, they talk dude - they talk to each others! They are theropod dinosaurs - a special little branch that survived EXACTLY like in your example! It happened!
*out of breath... *
But your magpies are interesting too I guess.
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Never show the worst episode of Voyager.
That would be one with Q dude ...
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Not the place dude. This is Dinozone.
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Huge ‘sea dragon’ named one of UK’s greatest fossil finds | Fossils | The Guardian
It kinda looks like a big ...
Ichthyosaurs are totally underrated. We got shit-tons of them up in Svalbard, as well as Andøya.
Random facts!
While they're often associated with dinosaurs, and the "dinosaur era" - Ichthyosaurs begin MUCH earlier, and die out around the late Jurassic. The general evolution is long, snaky forms at first - these growing into whale-like giant beings, that then shrink into the famous dolphin-saurs we know well by the jurassic, when they are finally out competed by plesiosaurs, pliosaurs and mosasaurs.
ALSO, they are not closely related to dinosaurs.
Pterosaurs are a sister-group to dinosaurs as a whole, they share a common ancestor, and are pretty much "flying dinosaurs", except for the actual flying dinosaurs which are the Epidendrosaurs, except for the OTHER actual flying dinosaurs which are birds.
Pliosaurs and plesiosaurs are _somewhat_ ISH related, generally close-ish to crocodiles-ish, and Ichthyosaurs might be close-ish to that group.
Mosasaurs are very closely related to snakes and varanuses, and the evolution of all these three are very closely tied. They're essentially off-branches of the same thing.
As for actually aquatic dinosaurs, there are some heated debates, and a few candidates:
Spinosaurus was definitely semi-aquatic, and a proficient specialized swimmer.
Liaoningosaurus was a tiny Ankylosaur, that might have foraged for lake-bottom feed - but there's disagreement.
Scelidosaurus as well as other Ankylosaurs, have often been found in or near a shore, as if they cannot get enough of beaches, although they show no particular specialization for water.
Lurdusaurus is a nigerien Iguanodontid, very fatly built - like a hippo, and very likely similar river-dwelling lifestyle.
Random facts!
While they're often associated with dinosaurs, and the "dinosaur era" - Ichthyosaurs begin MUCH earlier, and die out around the late Jurassic. The general evolution is long, snaky forms at first - these growing into whale-like giant beings, that then shrink into the famous dolphin-saurs we know well by the jurassic, when they are finally out competed by plesiosaurs, pliosaurs and mosasaurs.
ALSO, they are not closely related to dinosaurs.
Pterosaurs are a sister-group to dinosaurs as a whole, they share a common ancestor, and are pretty much "flying dinosaurs", except for the actual flying dinosaurs which are the Epidendrosaurs, except for the OTHER actual flying dinosaurs which are birds.
Pliosaurs and plesiosaurs are _somewhat_ ISH related, generally close-ish to crocodiles-ish, and Ichthyosaurs might be close-ish to that group.
Mosasaurs are very closely related to snakes and varanuses, and the evolution of all these three are very closely tied. They're essentially off-branches of the same thing.
As for actually aquatic dinosaurs, there are some heated debates, and a few candidates:
Spinosaurus was definitely semi-aquatic, and a proficient specialized swimmer.
Liaoningosaurus was a tiny Ankylosaur, that might have foraged for lake-bottom feed - but there's disagreement.
Scelidosaurus as well as other Ankylosaurs, have often been found in or near a shore, as if they cannot get enough of beaches, although they show no particular specialization for water.
Lurdusaurus is a nigerien Iguanodontid, very fatly built - like a hippo, and very likely similar river-dwelling lifestyle.
Zegh probably :
*heavily* depends on the dino species
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True - but it wasn't killed BY the vomit - it was vomited up.
The puke-fossil demonstrates how Brachio would chomp across a branch, and tear all the tontent off with its teeth - like a whale filter, except its whole branches going through the teeth, all the green stuff scraped off and swallowed whole; including nests, tree-climbing animals - other dinosaurs. Not intentionally, of course, they were herbivores - it just happened, and if they got too many, they got vomited out.
The puke-fossil demonstrates how Brachio would chomp across a branch, and tear all the tontent off with its teeth - like a whale filter, except its whole branches going through the teeth, all the green stuff scraped off and swallowed whole; including nests, tree-climbing animals - other dinosaurs. Not intentionally, of course, they were herbivores - it just happened, and if they got too many, they got vomited out.
Is it true that Tyrannosaurus and Stegosaurus never met each other?
Tyrannosaurus belongs to the very, very latest cretaceous, and were directly affected by the asteroid impact.
All Stegosaurus species come from the Morrison-formation, of the latest Jurassic. Tyrannosaurus lived 68-66 million years ago, Stegosaurus more to the tune of 155-145 million years ago (it exists over a longer time-span, due to being spread over several species or at least morphs). They DID occupy the same continent though.
(then you get the fun fact: Tyrannosaurus lived closer to OUR time, than to the time of Stegosaurus by some 20 million years)