Are Fallout Fan Boys Blinded By Nostalgia?

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by The King of The Worms, Jul 31, 2017.

  1. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Post a thread of minute value.
     
  2. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    Oh look, another one of those 'it's their opinion' argument. Except, do you know that even an opinion can be....... really fucking retarded??!!!1111!!!!

    Yeah, even I can't believe it. Now I have to properly research the topic I'm gonna discuss and have arguments, and not just come up to it in my head.
     
  3. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    Yeah I have to reply to this as well.

    EVERYTHING ultimately is an opinion.

    But obviously not EVERYTHING is correct.

    We judge stuff on various factors, which can confirm or disprove opinions.

    Journalists just say everything is good, because it makes them money.
     
  4. Arnust

    Arnust Maybe you've seen it, maybe, in a dream...

    Feb 2, 2016

    BURN

    As a would-be game designer, it IS the weakest game out of the bunch. But it also easily is the most measured, thoughtfully made, and atmospheric game of the series. Funnily enough, it is the closest to Fallout 3 in that aspect. Fallout 2 was quite literally an upgrade in every aspect, except those few key aspects.

    You're still a heathen, btw. But you get the Nine-Tails instead of the stretching table.

    Anyway, @The King of The Worms, you know this site is 20 years old, right? We've complained ALL over the games, evern the classics and NV that we so banner for. You very well could dig around and find all sorts of criticism. In the most recent ones you'll probably see everyone present, somewhere.
     
  5. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Sorry, @R.Graves, I admit I was taking that moment to brag and that was beneath me.

    My apologies.

    That's how you do but for me, 6/10 is a barely incrimental improvement over 5/10. It's the C+ of the grading system.

    8/10 is B+

    9/10 and 10/10 are the A+

    That's silly. 10/10 isn't some sort of Platonic Ideal. They give 10s in the Olympics all the time. It's representative of the best you think can be done with the material. For me, it represents a game which I think of as great rather than subpar or just sort of good. If I'm willing to put more than 40 hours in game, that for me is proof it's awesome.

    8s are "good" games.

    6s are "okay."

    I see no reason the 10 has to be a kind of magical religious number. For me, it's a sign a game is awesome and people should play it.

    Also, game journalism? No one has ever given me a free game and I judge games based on what I like and don't like.

    My top ten games are:

    1. Skyrim
    2. The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt
    3. Fallout: New Vegas
    4. Deus Ex: Human Revolution
    5. Fallout 3
    6. Dragon Age: Origin
    7. Fallout 2
    8. The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings
    9. Vampire: The Masquerade: Bloodlines *
    10. Fallout

    * The only game I'm going to put on this list which isn't a 10 out of 10 but I replay constantly.

    I mean I'd love to put Life is Strange or The Wolf Among Us on this list but the fake choices lower it too much.
     
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  6. TorontRayne

    TorontRayne Misanthropic God of Rations Staff Member Moderator Orderite

    Apr 1, 2005
    Phipps you are happy doing what you enjoy. It is only natural to brag. Just try not to be a douche about it. :P
     
  7. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    I honestly cannot think of a perfect game...My favourite, best programmed games, even then, could be improved.

    ;(
     
  8. lolpop109

    lolpop109 Vault Dweller
    Modder

    Jul 14, 2016
    I mean my anwser to question really just lays in order I played the fallouts. I played fo3 fnv then little of fo4. Then more of fo1 and have't yet played fo2. So yeah I would be more blinded by nostigla by playing fo3 as I have only jsut got into fo1. But i have to say I do enjoy the game and althought I dont play massive amouts of it its still more fun for me than playing fo4 right now. Just purely cuz that games is fucked. I doubt I would like fo3 so much if I played fo1. Didn't really agreewith the idea that bethsda broke fallout intill I played fallout 4 and fallout one. Just based on the fact fallout one was better than I thought by replaying it I realized. And fallout 4 was alot crapier. I did spend alot of time on falllout 4 but thats because I did like settlements and the fancy grahpics and stuff like that. But its cheap its water down and it isn't really fallout. Fallout 1 made me realise that. However I already knew that fallout 4 was far worse than fo3.

    They defintly could of improved fallout 3 but I thought they would do that with fallout 4. Just like NV improved on fallout 3. But no they whent backwards
     
  9. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    But that's the best part!

    Another reason I love Fallout 3 is it is one of the few games which makes the apocalypse look msierable. It's a blasted radioactive hellhole with raiders and monsters everywhere. People are miserable and it feels like the world has genuinely SUFFERED because of the war. I don't always get that feeling from Fallout where too often the tragedy feels like it was played for laughs.
     
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  10. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    Actually for The most part people seem pretty content in fo3.
     
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  11. ThatZenoGuy

    ThatZenoGuy Residential Zealous Evolved Nano Organism

    Nov 8, 2016
    For all the shit in Fallout 3, I actually kinda enjoyed it.

    Its a guilty pleasure, a retarded game to fuck around in, where nothing you do matters, so go wild.
     
  12. Risewild

    Risewild Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
    Modder Orderite

    Jun 14, 2014
    It is for me, I consider your rating silly too but I never said anything because I didn't want to be rude. Opinions and all of that :bow:.
    10 is the platonic ideal because no game will ever be perfect, never!
    Also no game ever made me feel like it was perfect or that I wouldn't change anything about it, I have been playing games for 30 years and no game from the thousands of games I played through history was perfect. If this was the case, modding wouldn't have become such a popular practice.
    No, 10 in the Olympics means it was perfectly executed in terms of technique, not the best it can be. The Olympic judges have a very strict set of parameters they have to analyze and follow to the letter, they don't give 10 just because they thought it was the best of them all but because they thought it was flawless. And even then there are several judges to prevent the case of one judge didn't detect a imperfect movement/technique/etc and gave it 10 and it means it was perfect, that is why many times all the scores are 10 or only one is 10. Judges are human and fallible, so they have several judges to make sure the scores are fair and not because someone just failed to see something.
    Your rating seems broken, are you saying both 9/10 and 10/10 are the same value to you? Are you saying that between B+ and A+ is nothing? Where is A? Grades don't go B+ then A+, there is a A in between :confused:.
     
  13. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    9 and 10 are basically indistinguishable.

    A and A+
     
  14. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    Numerical scores are dumb in general.
     
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  15. Kohno

    Kohno A Smooth-Skin

    Jul 30, 2009
    As evident from everyone understanding them differently.
     
  16. Walpknut

    Walpknut Testament to the ghoul lifespan

    Dec 30, 2010
    A numerical score works for like a multiple coice test and the like. Applying it to videogames, movies and the like is really non sensical.
     
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  17. CerberusGate

    CerberusGate I should save my game in a whole new slot

    Jun 6, 2016
    :confused:. So essentially, you are grading them like a tertiary academician? Odd...
    Though in terms of academic grades before tertiary education, people have more regard to the one with the plus so along those lines, not distinguishing between the two could mislead your audience with the wrong impression even if you don't mean to review games seriously.

    I agree with Walpknut, numerical scores are pointless since as Kohno pointed out, no one gets how to implement them properly and people end up complaining about them if the score for any game is lower that what they perceive to be average (i.e 6/10 or 5/10 at times). Only a select few games are scored properly and even then, there are holes in those assessment. I prefer a simple "recommend" or "not recommended" assessment for most things, it's a simpler scale and a good one will provide points for and against them.
     
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  18. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Well, when I post a review, I'm HOPING that they will read the rest of it. The numerical score at the end is just sharing my overall enjoyment factor whereas the rest of the review is talking about the specifics of what I disliked and didn't.

    :)

    I love Deadly Premonition and think it's a work of genius but gave it a 6/10 because the gameplay is mindnumbingly awful.
     
  19. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    You're doing it backwards the numerical scrore is supposed to be the "objective" part of the review. Otherwise howard the duck would be a 10/10 for me. Fun/10 =/= 10/10
     
  20. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Ironically, I created THE UNITED FEDERATION OF CHARLES because I felt mainstream reviews were too mechanical and didn't have nearly enough focus on "fun" versus arbitrary mechanics and categories.

    I felt like people were getting too focused on bullshit that removes the point of a review.

    Which is, "Is it good or not?"