Fallout 2 Lore is garbage too...

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by R.Graves, May 19, 2016.

  1. mfkndggrfll

    mfkndggrfll Still Mildly Glowing

    Feb 26, 2018
    People are so bent on hating on Beth and the 3D change they fail to realize F2 has been the most damaging to the IP
     
  2. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Most damaging to the IP? I think that title belongs to FOBOS, since development of Van Buren and Tactics 2 was held back because Herve wanted FOBOS 2, when the world didn't even want FOBOS 1.
     
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  3. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 26, 2007
    When I looked at it, I realized that FO3 could almost pass for a FOBOS reboot. They are similar in many respects.
     
  4. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    And yet Bethesda took so much from it for Fallout 3.

    Oh yes, in many ways, including attempts at humor and being edgy.

    All it missed was the Vault Tec vault which I at least liked somewhat but I guess Raven Rock is a substitute for that.
     
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  5. mfkndggrfll

    mfkndggrfll Still Mildly Glowing

    Feb 26, 2018
    What exactly did they take from F2?

    They improved the slavers and made them credible people who dont put up a 'slavers guild' sign in front of their spot, or get a tattoo on the forehead
     
  6. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 26, 2007
    Enclave... despite them being wiped out in Fallout 2. FO3 is filled with cherry-picked 'Me-Too' content, as a lame way of asserting that "Look! Our game is a Fallout game too—see? We have bottle-caps for money, just like Fallout did!". The problem is that these are the only things their game has in common with the series; and none of them matter—it's tinsel on the tree. It's like re-skinning Metal Gear with Super Mario art—'Look! We have plumbers, coins and mushrooms too!'... Or the reverse, re-skinning Super Mario, and calling it a Metal Gear sequel.

    You say this like it's a good thing... The whole point of the slaver's guild is to have a permanent commitment; something Bethesda avoids like the plague in all of their games. The point of the tattoo was to permanently brand the PC as a slaver if they took that path; IE. you can make any choice... but you have to live with it. Bethesda—yet again—includes a recognizable aspect of the series—but does so...minus its teeth.
     
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  7. Dirty Duck

    Dirty Duck First time out of the vault

    Sep 25, 2017
    Q: isn't Coffin Willie a ghoul? Do ghouls die of starvation or dehydration? I never really considered.
     
  8. Black Angel

    Black Angel Grand Inquisitor of the Ordo Hereticus

    Mar 21, 2016
    Definitely. It's one of the major factor for one of the endings in Fallout 1. If you took the water chip from Necropolis but didn't fix their water pump, they'll all die of dehydration. And judging from the facts that they're farming food in Gecko during the events of Fallout 2, they'll definitely die of starvation.
     
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  9. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 26, 2007
    As I understand it... Ghouls are in a constant state of decay, and of regeneration... but they still need to eat.

    **They are effectively Fallout's anti-elves; ugly and stiff jointed, killable, but effectively immortal...
    children of the bomb.
     
  10. Dirty Duck

    Dirty Duck First time out of the vault

    Sep 25, 2017
    Ah yeah I forgot about their water chip! So the pre-war ghouls have all done pretty good to live so long.
     
  11. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Fallout 2 is what got me into Fallout.

    It's just axiomatically more awesome than Fallout the original.

    (NMA: See? THIS IS THE BEST PROOF IT SUCKS!)
     
  12. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    Every CT Phipps opinion on Fallout games is axiomatically invalid.

    Most of the non-Fallout stuff he says make sense though.
     
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  13. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    But yes, I said it in another thread that Fallout 2 was my jam.

    I played a porn star martial arts master Elvis Impersonator who was on a quest for the GECK and DTF.

    The choice between Hubology and the Shi was the hardest of his life.

    :weep:
     
  14. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003
    There really is no lore breaks as far as I know. I didn't really like the Enclave as some Illuminati bullshit along with turning the Vaults into experiments but oh well.

    Wasn't a fan of the gangsters of new reno, the city itself composed was alright.

    Overall, too many pop culture references or too much light hearted content.
     
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  15. President_Peaches

    President_Peaches First time out of the vault

    Mar 4, 2018
    No-one could claim Fallout 2 isn't a whole bunch of fun and a great RPG, but tone and lore-wise it's a bit iffy.
     
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  16. CT Phipps

    CT Phipps Half-way Through My Half-life

    Sep 17, 2016
    Bah, who needs Lore when you have a 9ft tall cyborg Worf.
     
  17. President_Peaches

    President_Peaches First time out of the vault

    Mar 4, 2018
    'king hell who needs lore when you have Sulik and grampy-bone?
     
  18. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Vault Fossil

    Oct 27, 2003
    'Some people have evil spirits. You, you have stupid spirits.'
     
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