20 years in prison for a youtubesinger

[Cimmerian Nights]

yeah! He might just get only 15 and not 20 years. Sheesh people these days

And my aunt might grow a dick and become my uncle. I reserve the right to withold any self-righteuous, hysterical reations until the dude is actually sentenced.

*To be serious what I find strange is how one can even make a "serious" claim that he deserves 20 years as Max I mean what BN said

But c'mon, punishment proportionate to the crime

Without any offense but I guess it is the american system where many times enough the situation depends on the mood of the jurry and judge. Not that this is that much different to other nations though. But just if comparing it to a British or German court there seem to be more emotions inside. But maybe thats just my subjective oppinion.

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I'm not sure who did say he should, it's an issue of benchmarking.
X crime has a max penalty of Y years. This doesn't take into account the mitigating circumstances, the fact that he's probably a 1st time offender, not likely a recidivist, and that there are programs like Accelerated Rehab and whatnot that the court will take into account.
The cop in the vid said they had a strong case, not that they would seek the max sentencing.

Trust me, I've been through the criminal courts in the States a few times.

 

[thegaresexperience]

Accelerated Rehab? For what? He didn't actually rape them, he edited a video together.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Accelerated Rehab? For what? He didn't actually rape them, he edited a video together.

AR is not what you think it is, just a touchy-feely PR name. I don't know what other states call it, basically a "get out of jail free card".

http://www.jud.ct.gov/legalterms.htm

Accelerated Rehabilitation: Also called AR. A program that gives persons charged with a crime or motor vehicle violation for the first time a second chance. The person is placed on probation for up to two years. If probation is completed satisfactorily, the charges are dismissed.

Link to a handy PDF form you can fill out in 2 minutes, Johnnie Cochran & friends not necessary.

I really can't account for how some of these other backwater states conduct shit though. But whatever, rage on.

 

[SkuLL]

I think you'd see an altogether different kind of rage if he was actually sentenced!

Some people (myself included) are just intrigued by the fact that jail time was even an option for a crime like that.

 

[TheWesDude]

i think what they are nailing him on is the child pornography "intent" laws where if you intend a video depicting children intending the viewer(s) to think its pornographic in nature, then you are guilty of child pornography laws.

im pretty sure thats what they are using to justify this.

 

[Crni Vuk]

hmm I am curious though if there is a similar law like in Germany. A good laywer might try to say that what he did was a form of "art" and I know that when ever "art" is mentioned somwhere it gets a special protection here. This goes back to the times of the nazis where they had very harsh restrictions and only allowed something the Nazi officials have accepted otherwise the chance might have been high that the artist would end in some concentration camp. Art is seen here like a form of free spech. Particularly caricatures and satires are protected.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

i think what they are nailing him on is the child pornography "intent" laws where if you intend a video depicting children intending the viewer(s) to think its pornographic in nature, then you are guilty of child pornography laws.

im pretty sure thats what they are using to justify this.

Most likely. Keep in mind that child "pornography" laws in the US are pretty fucked up. A child doesn't even have to be involved in the product for it to be illegal. In this case it would be absurd to give him anything more than a fine and community service even if he had actually sung a song with sexually explicit lyrics to children (assuming it wasn't directed at any of them, constituting a threat).

There is nothing wrong with what he did as he did. It was a joke in arguably poor taste but it was in no way harmful to any reasonable person.

 

[Crni Vuk]

speaking of "exploiting" and "protecting" children. I think what the way how they used them for this anti-gay-marriage add was a LOT worse then what the dude did with his joke-song.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtsovQiPE24[/youtube]

Though you dont see any parents runing around screaming about it and kicking it in some court ...

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Because those kids are actors getting paid with the consent of their guardian. Acting - make believe. That it may differ from your political/sexual preference is irrelevant to legal distinction between the two.

I think you'd see an altogether different kind of rage if he was actually sentenced!

Rightly so.

 

[Crni Vuk]

which makes it so much better ? I guess I am glad not to be in the US then ... I know someone would burn for such ads here.

Or those "kidz" shows which they do where the prettiest girl gets the prize. And a damage for her lifetime. But its a billiondollar buisness for the cosmetic industry. And since the parents do it. It must be alright.

You know. Someone who did a joke, albeit a bad one but a joke is somtehing I see as mistake. Using children as "actors" for your political agenda is a lot more worse in my eyes. Legal or not. And yes my sexual orientation makes me biased.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

which makes it so much better ? I guess I am glad not to be in the US then ... I know someone would burn for such ads here.

Yeah it does, those kids are actors getting paid. Playing pretend, they don't believe that shit, they are reading a cue card.
That's what actors do. Christopher Reeves can't really fly, CareBear land doesn't exist, and Joe Namath doesn't actually wear pantyhose. They just get paid to pretend they do.

Political advertising doesn't warrant a reasonable thinking person's attention anyway. It's base pandering rubbish all around that reaches a crescendo of shrillness right before the polls close. I got better shit to do than brew on that.

The purpose is to pander to adults with child actors. Is it an issue for you when Greenpeace panders in the same manner?

Or those "kidz" shows which they do where the prettiest girl gets the prize. And a damage for her lifetime. But its a billiondollar buisness for the cosmetic industry. And since the parents do it. It must be alright.

You see, the freaks that make for compelling subjects on Lifetime reality TV shows aren't always the most indicative of a society as a whole. What fraction of what percent do those freaks represent, even in hillbilly states where that goes on? You're just swinging at the fences now, nobody's condoning that.

 

[Crni Vuk]

which makes it so much better ? I guess I am glad not to be in the US then ... I know someone would burn for such ads here.

Yeah it does, those kids are actors getting paid. Playing pretend, they don't believe that shit, they are reading a cue card.

I have my doubt that those kidz really know what a political agenda is. Or that they would do such ads by them self. Letz not be fooled here. It are their parents which decide. Hence why I said they are "exploited" or "used". I dont see why that is a wrong view. As said. Just because it is legal it is not "better" in my eyes compared to that idiotic joke. Just that the guy forgot to let the kidz "sign" something (or their parents, or what ever legal limbo you need to not get sued).

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

Just because it is legal it is not "better" in my eyes compared to that idiotic joke..

This isn't Jean Valjean stealing his daily bread.

This is a case where a dude did a knucleheaded thing that fit the strictest definition of crime X. The sentencing guideline for crime X carries with it a max. sentence of Y time, which is outrageous given what he actually did.

Outrageous enough for local news and websites to milk it for attention in lieu of reporting actual news. Local TV news is a no-man's land.

Man bites dog. Move along.

 

[thegaresexperience]

Accelerated Rehab? For what? He didn't actually rape them, he edited a video together.

AR is not what you think it is, just a touchy-feely PR name. I don't know what other states call it, basically a "get out of jail free card".

http://www.jud.ct.gov/legalterms.htm

Accelerated Rehabilitation: Also called AR. A program that gives persons charged with a crime or motor vehicle violation for the first time a second chance. The person is placed on probation for up to two years. If probation is completed satisfactorily, the charges are dismissed.

Link to a handy PDF form you can fill out in 2 minutes, Johnnie Cochran & friends not necessary.

I really can't account for how some of these other backwater states conduct shit though. But whatever, rage on.

Ah ok. so it's essentially probation. I just saw in my head the "sex offenders rehab" in my head.

 

[DammitBoy]

Accelerated Rehab? For what? He didn't actually rape them, he edited a video together.

AR is not what you think it is, just a touchy-feely PR name. I don't know what other states call it, basically a "get out of jail free card".

http://www.jud.ct.gov/legalterms.htm

Accelerated Rehabilitation: Also called AR. A program that gives persons charged with a crime or motor vehicle violation for the first time a second chance. The person is placed on probation for up to two years. If probation is completed satisfactorily, the charges are dismissed.

Link to a handy PDF form you can fill out in 2 minutes, Johnnie Cochran & friends not necessary.

I really can't account for how some of these other backwater states conduct shit though. But whatever, rage on.

This is what will more than likey happen, as I stated earlier. A slap on the wrist for being a dumbass.

 

[Walpknut]

That will teach him to not make jokes?

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

That will teach him to not make jokes?

I guess you haven't watched South Park in the last 15 years, as it's perfectly acceptable and legal to do off-color, edgy, envelope-pushing comedy involving kids. What line haven't they crossed or sacred cow haven't they slayed? Who moreso than them? I don't think you understand what legal boundaries he crossed that they don't.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

I don't think you understand what legal boundaries he crossed that they don't.

I'm not sure that you understand what he's being tried for. It's a case of manufacturing child sexually abusive material, not of a violation of child labor laws. The US laws regarding what constitutes such are pretty bad but I don't think that they're bad enough for him to be convicted by a reasonable judge (though it is probably legally obscene). That said, if South Park had an episode in which they showed one of their underage characters having sex, they could be convicted under current law if it was determined to be obscene.

 

[Cimmerian Nights]

That he's only charged with breaking one law doesn't preclude him from having violated others. My point in that being that dirty jokes involving kids are OK, even extreme ones.

My guess and personal feeling is that it's really not a shrewd use of public funds to prosecute anyway.

 

[Walpknut]

Who hasn't seen South Park? it was funny 3 years ago. I think you didn't understand that I am basicaly just makign fun of this over sensitive shit, USA is incredibly over sensitive with laws that have a passing link to sex, or kids. Go to a video of a baby on youtube laughing, just laughing, or that video of the little girl telling a resume of Star Wars. now that you have seen them, you realize how innocent they are, no count the number of comments from people saying how much of a explotative douchebags the parents of the kids are just because they uploaded some funny moment with their children, this is just insane, is the kind of thign that you would expect from a comedy that si making fun of this kind of laws. Like people suing Mcdonalds for their hot cofee. Like when SOuth Park made that Mohamed Joke, and next thign you know people actually took offense from it and are threatening them, Is just so funny.