2012 American Election (Presidential and otherwise)

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Adam Smith On Speed Dial

Adam Smith On Speed Dial







Many pontificating pundits have stereo typed Ohio as an aged industrial wasteland. Media talking heads still profile ALL Ohio as 'the rust belt'.

Meanwhile.

Reports of return of manufacturing in Ohio.

Reports of tapping domestic oil and gas in Ohio.

So what are the facts, what is the reality?


Consider the concept that the American economy is vital enough to grow at this near 2% rate just replacing consumer necessities, and any other pent up needs.

As long as who ever claims to be 'in power', all these politicians lording over their various turfs, do not p-ss away the dollar's world status and value, then the economy will continue slow growth.

Why does a country that talks about freedom for the individual have this God Damned leader dependancy.

Why the fixation on this 'Fuhrer Principle' every Presidential Election.

Pardon my irrational populist positivism, this country is going to do what needs to be done, with or with out the ideological blessing of our duly elected hall monitors.

I don't think Americans get the credit they deserve for staying on the job.

Need the approval of an imaginary friend, living or dead, put Adam Smith on speed dial, … any body got his number?


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[donperkan]

Re: Adam Smith On Speed Dial

Why does a country that talks about freedom for the individual have this God Damned leader dependancy...

...and why am i not exploiting that.

 

[Guiltyofbeingtrite]

so the us elected a president that:

1) failed on his promise to reduce the deficit and instead raised it more in 4 years than bush did in 8

2) failed to reduce the unemployment to 5% and instead it sits at 7.4% or 7.9%

3) raised taxes on the lower and middle class ( obama care ) for those who cannot afford private health insurance and do not get it from their company

4) successfully bailed out big business that crashed due to policies and laws passed primarily under clinton and not repealed

5) in 2002 while senator voted AGAINST a deficit cap increase ( it passed by 52-48 ) which is the largest thing keeping the US from declaring bankruptcy and insolvency which is where greece and spain are heading.

6) promised he would not run for a second term if he failed at 1, 2, 3, and 4

7) successfully killed osama bin laden by violating another soverign countries air space, but they hated us before so no big loss there eh? other than they hated us before and have been home to terrorists that have successfully striked US assets/people both home and abroad

yup, if my girlfriend gets raped I don't want to be forced to father it. That's what was at stake here.

 

[Joelzania]

Here's a question for all you Americans:
When the United Kingdom holds it's elections for the next Prime Minister, do all of your news venues shut down just to hear about the elections over the other side of the pond? I live in another country and I could not escape the news whatsoever. I know the US and UK have close ties but the way the news goes about it it is the only thing that matteres in the whole world...

 

[TorontoReign]

Here's a question for all you Americans:
When the United Kingdom holds it's elections for the next Prime Minister, do all of your news venues shut down just to hear about the elections over the other side of the pond? I live in another country and I could not escape the news whatsoever. I know the US and UK have close ties but the way the news goes about it it is the only thing that matteres in the whole world...

Yeah, they don't cover it near as well, in my opinion anyway. Last election I followed, I think I saw a couple of news segments, but nothing too in depth like you get with our stuff. Maybe the international editions cover more...

 

[zegh8578]

As a European, it's easy to get complainy when America hogs all this attention, especially when Americans seem to take it for granted "Why of course! Who gives a fuck about any other country? U-S-A! U-S-A!".

Reality is that Brazil wont bomb countries to fuck, or drag the world down in a whirlpool of economic strife - depending on who they get for a new president.
Neither will Kenya.
Neither will New Zealand.

Like it or not, America is an important country to the whole world. It doesn't even have to do with wether or not America is cool or not cool, but that it's Americas "turn" to rule the world. It used to be Germany, and the UK, and it may come to be China, India, Russia, or a complete surprise.

I root for Nigeria!

 

[For NCR]

As a European, it's easy to get complainy when America hogs all this attention, especially when Americans seem to take it for granted "Why of course! Who gives a fuck about any other country? U-S-A! U-S-A!".

Well, ain't that stereotypical of you.

 

[zegh8578]

As a European, it's easy to get complainy when America hogs all this attention, especially when Americans seem to take it for granted "Why of course! Who gives a fuck about any other country? U-S-A! U-S-A!".

Well, ain't that stereotypical of you.

Pfff, stereotypicalness goes both ways.
I started off by representing myself as a naggy European, didn't I?
I then redeemed myself, by implying I'm being above all that!

*rules*

Seriously though, relax. I am fully aware there's a clever American or two over on that continent.

*is unstoppable!*

 

[Joelzania]

I don't mind seeing international news involving the US becuase it involves the world. I do mind when I hear about things like small religious sects talking about "god hates fags" or whatever. This does not concern me. Several drink related stabbings around Manchester and austerity cuts do concern me.

 

[zegh8578]

I don't mind seeing international news involving the US becuase it involves the world. I do mind when I hear about things like small religious sects talking about "god hates fags" or whatever. This does not concern me. Several drink related stabbings around Manchester and austerity cuts do concern me.

That's just ordinary whorish sensationalism to be expected from the media tho.
To be fair, not even stabbings concern you: They happened, you can't do anything about it, the perpetrators may-or-may-not strike again, and unless they are actively hunting people down, those types of news should be handled as private matters, imho.
News media is too nosy in everyone elses business, especially whenever it makes for a good horror story :I
/lil rant...

At least mix it out with some good news, once in a while :I

 

[Joelzania]

.
To be fair, not even stabbings concern you:

Well...

 

[TheWesDude]

when was the last time the UK or France or Russia just decided to invade a country?

when was the last time they decided to bomb other countries?

want to know why US elections get so much world wide exposure?

its quite simple. we dont cower within our borders expecting someone else to clean up global issues/problems. even if we have to manufacture them.

 

[Mad Max RW]

yup, if my girlfriend gets raped I don't want to be forced to father it. That's what was at stake here.

Are you even being serious here? The whole abortion rights thing is more fear mongering from the left. It's up to the states to decide. Always has and always will. And that's how it should be.

when was the last time the UK or France or Russia just decided to invade a country?

when was the last time they decided to bomb other countries?

want to know why US elections get so much world wide exposure?

its quite simple. we dont cower within our borders expecting someone else to clean up global issues/problems. even if we have to manufacture them.

2008. Russia invaded Georgia.
1979-1989. Russia invaded Afghanistan

1982. The Falklands War between Britain and Argentina.
2003. Britain was one of the many allies to declare war on Iraq.

 

[Joelzania]

we dont cower within our borders expecting someone else to clean up global issues/problems. even if we have to manufacture them.

Manufacturing problems so as to solve them?

 

[TorontoReign]

when was the last time the UK or France or Russia just decided to invade a country?

when was the last time they decided to bomb other countries?

want to know why US elections get so much world wide exposure?

its quite simple. we dont cower within our borders expecting someone else to clean up global issues/problems. even if we have to manufacture them.

Russia invaded Georgia not too long back. America's allies invaded Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Guiltyofbeingtrite]

yup, if my girlfriend gets raped I don't want to be forced to father it. That's what was at stake here.

Are you even being serious here? The whole abortion rights thing is more fear mongering from the left. It's up to the states to decide. Always has and always will. And that's how it should be.

Well, Roe v. Wade gives some degree of the right to abortion regardless of state law. I was more concerned about Romney's idea th defund planned parenthood, which would make the above hypothetical scenario very real for some people.

But for what it's worth, I voted for Jill Stein, priviledge of living in a place that went 92% Obama.

 

[Mad Max RW]

Planned Parenthood makes enough money from abortions to fund itself. Besides, we're going to end up taking painful cuts everywhere very soon much like European austerity. Planned Parenthood, public pensions, welfare, food stamps, healthcare, will all be forced to downsize to avoid a total loss. There's simply not enough people working to pay taxes and cover the costs for much longer. On our present track we *maybe* have two years of this lifestyle left.

I live in Connecticut, the heart of Democrat country. My state is completely broke. Their answer to this is always raise taxes. We already have the highest taxes in the nation, and the next tax hike in January will be the highest ever at over $5,600. My own business is calling in all the accountants and lawyers tomorrow to decide if we should bother staying open another year.

 

[For NCR]

I live in Connecticut, the heart of Democrat country. My state is completely broke. Their answer to this is always raise taxes. We already have the highest taxes in the nation, and the next tax hike in January will be the highest ever at over $5,600. My own business is calling in all the accountants and lawyers tomorrow to decide if we should bother staying open another year.

Have you checked half of the states, who are MASSIVELY in debt? America is high in debt, too much so that Billions of dollars look like chump change to a high quality meal's bill.

 

[Ilosar]

I live in Connecticut, the heart of Democrat country. My state is completely broke. Their answer to this is always raise taxes. We already have the highest taxes in the nation, and the next tax hike in January will be the highest ever at over $5,600. My own business is calling in all the accountants and lawyers tomorrow to decide if we should bother staying open another year.

The thing is, austerity is incredibly unpopular and doesn't really work all the time. The UK are a prime example, they're neck-deep in austerity and the situation hasn't changed much, meanwhile the lost services means that the debt simply shifts from the state to families. Wisconsin (IIRC) tried too, and while the conservatives pat themselves in the back over breaking them evil unions, again the situation has barely improved. You're just shifting where the debt goes; if people used a service, depended on one that was provided that the government, they're going to shift to it when it gets privatized. It may cost less to the state, but it then costs much more for the common folk, who doesn't have enough money and end up in debt.

Cutting the ''nanny state'' is not a long-term solution, job and wealth creation is, like you said yourself. But when most industries in the US are on a downward spiral and delocalization is a symptomatic problem, it won't happen anytime soon.

I just think the West as a whole has been living over its means for a good long while, and now it's wake-up time (and I'm not just talking about social security, albeit that,s a part of it; the credit and debt based economy that banks try so hard to impose on us is also a major contributor).

 

[Mad Max RW]

the credit and debt based economy that banks try so hard to impose on us is also a major contributor).

This is exactly the root of the problem. The day after we went off the gold standard in the 1970s we set ourselves up for a huge fall decades later. Look what China is doing today. They are buying up all the world's precious metals because they know what is coming. Similarly, Governor Rick Perry of Texas is calling in all of his state's gold supply held in New York and is stockpiling it in their own bank. Last year they bought more than $1 billion in gold bars.