50 Minutes of 76

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by TorontoReign, Oct 8, 2018.

  1. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Fossil

    Apr 7, 2017
    Yeah, games can be made more accesible without dumbing them down. This is dumbing down to the extreme and they have been doing it since Oblivion.


    It's also kind of hilarious that older Fallouts mocked commercialism and Bethesda is pretty much whoring the franchise now.
     
  2. Rheios

    Rheios Mr. House's Employee of the Apocalypse

    104
    Oct 22, 2018
    The dumbing down is hardly even specific to Bethesda though. Hell, look at the state of the grandfather of RPGs - D&D. 5e's tolerable but only because the backlash to 4e was militant enough that Paizo saw money and hopped on it with Pathfinder and Wizards couldn't let it stand. Even with 5e though there's this continuous drain on choices - no more real skills (by which I mean skills having the ability to either specialize or dabble in. Its all or nothing) - and verisimilitude - the community is still encouraging the 'reskin' stuff from 4e even when it makes no sense - and rewriting of well established lore characterizations. Some of it works for stuff like Hags and Giants, but Kobolds went from being murderous pests to being goofy jokes - along with their god Kurtulmak (a goddamn god of a mining culture getting stuck in a cave for eternity) - and that's not even mentioning the taints carried over from 4e to make Tieflings and Aasimar more 'grimdark' or something because a dev thought they were 'boring'. I haven't looked at GURPS recently, since my group doesn't play it, but I can guess its being simplified if its been updated too. God forbid anyone take 10 minutes to add or try and see why "fluff" and "crunch" aren't separate but extensions of each other in a structured world.

    Over-simplicity rules because any sort of rigor on things is seen as overly restrictive, taking the power from the player, and frankly infringing upon a character's 'uniqueness' or 'power'. Which I can stand to a point, I can dig weaker monster characters, but only when the world reacts accordingly, but half these people get annoyed when they characters don't respond how they want or show personalities they like. All because it interrupts their power fantasy. Apologies, that turned into a rant.

    So far as the commercialism goes it'd be almost clever if it weren't so obviously accidental.
     
  3. SquidVan

    SquidVan Pirate and Bankrobber

    Jun 1, 2018
    They still include ideas like that yet go to great heights to market the game.
    The video I'm sharing is about a location where the writers are mocking up selling ridiculous packages to tourists. All the terminals and parts are "BUY THIS PACKAGE FOR MORE!"

    A lot of major companies do things like this. They've grown to large proportions, the shareholders need more revenue. Better make sure they can sell sell sell!
    Also Bethesda and Microsoft have always had deals from what I remember about Oblivion and onward.
     
  4. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Again, there is a difference of sell out between "Timed exclusive" and "Let's pay a Basketball team to dress in Ads for our game".
     
  5. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2004
    So, now we are complaining Bethesda is too commercialist and they are whoring franchises...

    But there is another level now... well, like I said, it was only a matter of time before FO3/4 fans felt what a lot of us FO1/2 fans felt in 2008. Ohh the irony, it cuts like a razor.
     
    • [Rad] [Rad] x 1
  6. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Are you implying I am a Fallout 3 and 4 fan?
     
  7. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2004
    I'm saying it's ten years late to outrage over what you are complaining about. Bethesda going money grubbing and exploiting franchises? You can't tell me you really didn't expect this.

    So excuse me if all this complaining about Bethesda "going" commercial on the Fallout franchise and changing the game to fit what sells more rather than mantaining the spirit of the original games sounds like a discussion I already had before.

     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2018
  8. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Except my point, as I have explained 3 times already, is that this is a step beyond their usual bullshit, and applied to a series that used to satirize consumerism.

    I mean I couldn't care less about Elder Scrolls so if they have done this with it I wouldn't know or care.
     
  9. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2004
    "A step beyond" is really a matter of personal opinion. What is the line that shall not be crossed? Fallout 4 already got rid of dialogue trees and replaced it with a Mass Effec tesque dial. Maybe this was a step beyond for someone else?

    For me it was when they turned it into a FPS with RPG ellements and decided to forget about and shit all over the FO1/2 storyline and lore. This was 2008.

    Bethesda doing what they are doing has more to do with the current videogames market than anything else. Interplay was big back in the day, but even then videogames were not as abig of an industry, nowdays it rivalizes with Hollywood nonetheless. Interplay didn't do huge marketing campaigns back in the day because no one was doing it, now advertising and microtransactions is the norm with any big video game company.

    And for the change in gamplay in 76 I will say at least it's not worse than what they did with "Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel" in 2004 (and this was actually Interplay). And they are not being dumb enough to call it "Fallout 5", so maybe there is hope for that in the future.

    So yeah, Fallout made fun of commercialism, which is ironic, yet the franchise has suffered from it ever since before the time of Bethesda, when FO3 (Van Buren) was cancelled and Black Isle shut down by non other than Interplay itself, instead giving us spin offs like "Fallout: Tactics" and "FO: BOS".
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2018
    • [Rad] [Rad] x 2
  10. SquidVan

    SquidVan Pirate and Bankrobber

    Jun 1, 2018
    Found an interesting comment from 4chan.
     
    • [Rad] [Rad] x 5
  11. SquidVan

    SquidVan Pirate and Bankrobber

    Jun 1, 2018
    I was wondering when this was an issue that would be brought to light. Once I saw this game was essentially Fallout 4 with some things turned off and the client can tell the server whatever that there'd be a plethora of issues. Why do devs think clients being trusted by the servers is ever going to fly? The Division did this shit too and it was probably a decent factor in why people quit playing that.
    The servers should have limitations so that even if someone's cheating it's like a lvl 1 doing things a lvl 50 can do. Not an infinitely large accessibility to power and invulnerability.
     
  12. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2004
    It is that time in the franchise when they start with the stupid spin offs. I fear the end of Bethesda's Fallout approaches unless they plan to release Fallout 5 soon. Then maybe, with any luck, another company will pick up the franchise, we will hope for revindication, and get disappointed. With no luck we will get one more spin off and then it will be the end of Fallout forever.

    Personally I'm looking forward to Wasteland 3. And who knows, maybe when Bethesda gives up the franchise an indie company picks it up and cater us with a "classic" isometric turn combat version of it. Hey, a man can dream.
     
  13. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    It's the principle of the sell out. If the game gets dumbed down to chase trends I will dislike that and then ignore the series for the rest of it's run.

    But when you have the series being paraded around on Sports teams uniforms, on Hamburguer commercials and played by tv personaalities it goes into another realm of sellout for me. And them not even being the creators of the series and whoring it out like that adds to the disgust.
     
  14. Rheios

    Rheios Mr. House's Employee of the Apocalypse

    104
    Oct 22, 2018
    Similar stuff is happening to Diablo fans too most recently, but the manipulation just isn't going over as well or as subtly due to the breadth of the target. Its a new form of 'marketing' in a way. Or at least Zhakaron thinks so:


    Their completely childish attempt at securing F76 is offensive as a software engineer, let alone as a gamer, and I'm not even touching it. It smacks of a complete lack of competence or motivation in a level that should have people canceling. Of course I see a lot of "but they warned us" too. Almost feel bad. I wish I could make a friend see but I can't change his mind that the lore's important or that the game's going to completely grind down for him in too short a time or that the technical aspects alone aren't worth it. Sadly, we're just of two separate minds.
     
  15. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2004
    I'm about to start a 2 hour beta trial after a 30gb update. The patch seems substantial, but don't hold your breaths on it making it they are no longer charging 30$ more than they should. I'll let you know if I find anything relevant.
     
  16. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    Is this game seriously 80 dollars? Holy shit.
    Edit: Only the 3 century versión, but their shitty website defaults to that one.
     
    Last edited: Nov 6, 2018
  17. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Yer fond of me Lobster!

    Oct 26, 2016
    Illustrated example of what happens to interns that deviate from the course:

     
    • [Rad] [Rad] x 3
  18. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2004
    I must say that while the session was only two hours long, there seems to have been a great improvement in performance, and I've run into no glitches since the update. Will comment more after the next six hour beta on the 8th.
     
  19. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Seed Man Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    So they got Sander, Tagaziel, Brother None, AND Gonzalez.
     
    • [Rad] [Rad] x 1