50 Minutes of 76

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  1. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    929
    Dec 6, 2016
    Fun game huh guys?
     
  2. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    I am glad this is turning out to be as big a shitshow as I hoped.

    Can I headcanon that the Speedhack of running while looking down is a Naruto Run?
     
  3. sesom

    sesom First time out of the vault

    82
    Nov 17, 2008
    No you can't. Building spaces are restricted in 'event' areas. I nearly wrote quest areas but there aren't any quests in FO76.
     
  4. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    The PVP system in this game sounds like the lamest shit ever, and the implementation is stupid in a way we could only expect from Bethesda:

    No separate PVP and PVE servers. You can start attacking any player but you do minimal damage until they shoot back, at which point the advantage is on the one being attacked because they can apparently Deploy turrets and shit. How can you fuck it up this much? Just make it a server option Bethesda, Hay-soos.
     
  5. Gaddes

    Gaddes Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    376
    May 18, 2010
    I'm gonna have to second that. 76 is really turning into a dumpster fire and i'm actually glad to see the backlash Bethsoft is getting.
     
  6. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Hey Gaddes, you do realize that that backlash Bethesda is getting now will not last until Fallout 5 is released.
    Pete Hines will probably go with the excuse that Fallout 76 was just an experiment but that Fallout 5 will be all that fans expect from a BGS made Fallout game.

    Most people are forgetful idiots. I know because plenty of times I have been one myself.
    Only on a couple of subjects I have the memory of an elephant.
     
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  7. Gaddes

    Gaddes Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    376
    May 18, 2010
    Aye Dutch. I tend to think we're getting FO5 sooner than most people think. Sure, we have Starfield and ES 6, but make no mistake, FO5 is in the pre-planning stages.
     
  8. Hulk'O'Saurus

    Hulk'O'Saurus Still Mildly Glowing

    230
    Jul 10, 2018
    A company as rich as Beth will not take any chances. It's all calculated. Despite 76' future failure to 'meh' performance at best, they nearly don't invest enough in the title for it to matter. I wouldn't be surprised if all of this is just more heinous business tactics to sell more shit in the future. I mean stuff like:

    'We've made a mistake. We understand what our fans want. We will make sure to get back on track. YadaYadayada…'
     
  9. Cobra Commander

    Cobra Commander Water Chip? Been There, Done That

    929
    Dec 6, 2016
    hope not. I actually like Elder Scrolls and have GREAT curiosity in Starfield. Don´t care for Fallout made by them.

    Unless we're talking here about outsourcing to another company. Yes, hype would be high. Fallout 5 by Larian.
     
  10. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    Exactly, that will be their rhetoric.
    Bethesda doesn't learn, EA doesn't learn, Disney doesn't learn, and they keep doing what they always do.
     
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  11. Alkuam

    Alkuam Lurker

    72
    Apr 4, 2016
    Speaking of Disney.

     
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  12. Gonzalez

    Gonzalez Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 21, 2004
    Well, did a little scouting for you guys, so you don't have to. Played for 8 hours today, and I actually had fun.

    I would still advice anyone looking for anything else than an MMORPG to stay away, however. If you want a time waster were you explore, gather resources, craft, based on Bethesda's version of Fallout and looking a lot like Fallout 4, then you will have fun with it. Is it worth what they are charging for it? Probably not. Seriously, there are a lot of good MMORPG's out there that are free. But I guess that if you want a Fallout MMORPG you have to pay for the privilege.

    I ran into, predictably, several MMORPG players who never played any of the previous Fallout games, and guess what, they liked it. No surprise there. I guess Bethesda was looking to incorporate different kind of players, and they achieved it with Fallout 76.

    I was able to enjoy myself so much probably because of how I approached the game in the first place, and that is as an MMORPG that the only Fallout thing it has in it is the general setting, seriously, there are not even NPC's aside from vendor robots (not even worht calling NPC's even) and a super mutant traveling trader who was only interested in trading, no dialogue whatsoever (wasn't expecting any), and who loves to babble about meat in a way akin to how Bubba talks about shrimp in Forrest Gump.

    Seriously, no dialogue in the game, no dialogue trees, no NPC's, and again, zero disappontment, I was expecting that. So, stay away even if you like MMORPGS but you are expecting quest givers, dialogue or any of that.

    The action takes place mostly by exploration and item collection (looting). Loot outfits, armor, weapons, and of couerse, junk, loads and loads of junk.

    It makes sense it is a multiplayer game, and if you want to play solo and away from others you will find yourself being very bored. I went for the solo/occasional collaboration kind of play, and you are actually thankful to run into other players, the game feels extremely empty by lack of NPC's.

    Anyway, that's all I can say from my little experience. So to summarize, this is more of an MMO than an MMORPG, it has almost zero RPG elements. This is an exploration game, and a shooter. It can be fun, but in the wasting time kind of fun, certainly an expensive game for the kind of entertainment it provides. A few bugs here and there, expected on a beta, but not acceptable for a release, so they better fix them sooner rather than later.

    I wouldn't reccomend it for most people here, at least not at the current price, and not if you are looking for an RPG, this is not an RPG, not even a massive multiplayer online one. MMORPG players who never played a Fallout game before will get the most fun out of it.

    Should you feel betrayed by Bethesda? If you are a F3/4 fan, you better hope they are working on Fallout 5. I for one will try to enjoy this expensive time waster my curiosity made me spend money in. I don't know if it is because my expectations were so low, but this game was exactly what I was expecting it to be, I can't say I feel disappointed. Of course, I can't say I was too pleasently surprised either.
     
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  13. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    https://www.vg247.com/2018/10/08/fallout-76-murderer-debuff/

    If you engage someone in Fallout 76, they have to fire back for it to be classed as a legal kill. If they don’t fire back and you kill them, you become a wanted murderer. As a murderer, you are visible on the map to everyone, you can’t see anyone else on the map, and even your teammates can legally kill you. And they will.

    Players will hunt you down because you have a cap bounty on your head. The bounty, by the way, comes out of your cap collection. You can’t game the system by having no caps, either.

    If you become a murderer with a small amount of caps, you will instead be hit with a massive debuff.


    “You lose whatever caps you have, down to zero, and you take a debuff that reduces the amount of damage you do to everything,” Bethesda VP of marketing Pete Hines explained during a recent roundtable. “Both other players and PvE. So you are now far less dangerous to everything as a penalty.”

    You can’t bypass this by logging out, either. The penalty sticks around for a couple of hours and only ticks down during actual playtime.

    “For two hours in the game, you’re going to be spitting spitballs at enemies to remind you that you’re a murderer,”
    Hines said. “Remember, we speak about murder as you killing someone who didn’t want to fight and wasn’t interested in engaging, not you fired at me, I fired at you, we both wanted to do this.

    “It’s specifically to stop people doing this where it’s negative and one-sided. It’s meant to not be fun – you will do far less damage with anything you use for a period of time.”

    What even is this game?
     
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  14. Hulk'O'Saurus

    Hulk'O'Saurus Still Mildly Glowing

    230
    Jul 10, 2018
    Yeah... it has been said on multiple occasions the asking price should have been 30$.

    Other than that, I enjoyed playing Fallout 4, but I needed to mod the game extensively, changing the base balance to something completely different. It's quite obvious Fallout 76 is far away from being such a game.

    Good point on them trying to expand their audience, and a bit ironic for some fans of 3 and 4. It would be even more ironic if somebody like that appeared on these forums in the future.
     
  15. Norzan

    Norzan Vault Senior Citizen

    Apr 7, 2017
    Yeah, 60 bucks for a multiplayer mod for Fallout 4 is ridiculous to say the least.
     
  16. Squadcar

    Squadcar Literal Potbelly Vampire Goblin

    Jun 1, 2018
    I played it for like 3 or 4 hours last night. It was fun but like Gonzalez said, it's not a RPG. I don't consider Fallout 4 much of, if at all, a RPG either though. The perks are just as meh as they were in 4 but for a shooter/looter focused game, it works enough. I too, wouldn't recommend it to people here, or anyone that wants/expects RPGs. If a Borderlands diehard asked for a new game, this might have something they're looking for? It's not a lootfest RPG like Diablo or Borderlands, but that's a closer style to it than a traditional or even most modern RPGs could fit.
    I really disliked Fallout 4 because I wanted at least a singleplayer mediocre RPG experience with the Fallout name when I bought it. I didn't really get anything RPG, it felt like what Fallout 76 is but alone. The dialogue and choices in 4 don't do enough in that game.
    My expectations definitely changed how I feel about 76. I didn't expect a singleplayer RPG, I expected an online junk collecting shooter. It's a shame this is what Fallout is now but our best current hope is another company within or outside of Bethesda/Zenimax gets a crack at a "spinoff."
    Spinoff in quotes because if the spinoff is closer to the spirit of the source material than other main entries, is it really a spinoff?

    In its current state? Agreed. They do promise to keep updating it with content and fixes for "years to come." I'm not saying anyone should totally believe that but if they do, it might be worth 60 down the line.


    Ever since we got info on how PvP works with this game, I've assumed it will eventually happen. I had no incentive or drive to do PvP because it seemed like a pain in my ass.
     
  17. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Pool's Closed

    Oct 26, 2016


    Dude what the fuck?

     
  18. Gaddes

    Gaddes Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    376
    May 18, 2010
    Oof. I totally forgot about the Vertibots...yeah, it's dumb as hell. I'm legit curious to see just how fucked the lore gets...just shake my damn head. I don't think I can subject myself to AJ though lol
     
  19. mef

    mef Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

    486
    Dec 29, 2014
    i want you all to sit for a moment and think about it - they first had to come up with this idea, the decisive people had to accept it as the best possible solution and then the designers and programmers actually worked to implement that system in the game, all that happened at one of the major businesses in the industry

    another mystery is how come bethesda's fans are losing their shit now but still like f3 and f4 which were equally absurd?
     
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  20. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish ...The pain of being dead...

    Sep 11, 2010
    Fallout 3 and Fallout 4 were at the very least proper games. Games on a shit engine, sure. Games that butchered the series lore, sure. Games which were quite repetitive, sure. Games which strayed further and further away from RPG mechanics, sure.

    But, they were still proper games.

    Fallout 3, while obviously Oblivion With Guns, was not a quick cashgrab. And Fallout 4 is a step up in terms of graphics and smoother gameplay mechanics. So they were at the very least proper games.

    But Fallout 76 isn't that. It's an obvious cashgrab. A buggy mess even by Bethesda standards. It's half a Fallout game to the nu-fans and worse yet the half they get is just recycled out of Fallout 4.

    Fallout 3 and 4, the way I see it, are toys. In the same vein as people don't take Super Mario too seriously neither do Bethesda take Fallout seriously and the fans are probably along that same mindset. But now the toy is from last year and missing parts and smells of piss.