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In a sense I guess. But it's far more universal in its application.
Brings me kinda back to my 3 years of programming classes, C++, Assambler and the like. Learning computer logic and other stuff that can give you nightmares, logic gates, adressing buffer overflow in CPU. *shudders*
Anyway. Ai as a tool in the creative process at least, is far more than just an evolution of existing tools. An airbrush still requires a lot of technical knowledge, you can't just fill the airbrush (as far as I know) with pigments, push the button and it creates the image for you on its own. You still need to know where to apply colour, how to use the tool correctly to get the desired results. In other words a profound knowledge and understanding of making art. Ai is a nearly "instant" creation of what you want. It's like comparing a thermomix/Kitchen Aid food processor to a robot which you give an order to and it comes back after 5 min. with the finished dish. Not exactly the same.
The improvement in efficiency and speed with Ai - not just as far as creatived work goes - can not be stressed enough. And I think that's something a lot of people completely understimate. I like to compare it to the invention of the steam engine and electricity 200 years ago. The increase in efficiency was exponential. It wasn't just a small improvement in the work process. It actually automatised the whole work process in a way where 1 weaver could perform the same workload as 100, in some cases even more because the process was constantly improved, from weaving machines which still required a weaver to activelly weave, to the use of the power loom where you just had to turn it on and where you didn't even need the knowledge of weaving anymore. And all of that happend in just the span of a few years and it happend in many industries at a similar time. The industrial revolution. And the effect of it was a massive devalue of physical labour. So much that it actually caused famines in many areas, leading to revolts, mass poverty and extreme shifts in a society as home-based businesses dissapeared to I quote a "transition led to the factory system, which was the creation of factories in centralized locations such as industrial towns and cities." You can find glimpses of all those effects the industralisation had on labour, even to this day, like the history of the coal miners of Appalachia where the term "Red Neck" might even come from.
And this is what Ai actually is. It's to intellectual tasks/jobs what the steam engine was to physical labour. So it's not just a mere tool. It has the ability to make a lot of tasks more efficient. But again, exponentially. And this is the reason why so many creatives are actually amazed by what they see. Even with all the tools we have now, from photomanipulation to any digital software for design, you still have to spend a tremendous amount of time into it. Looking for references, learning the tools, the technicalities, aquiring the necessary skills (colour theory, aesthetics, training your brain and eyes etc.). It can take years in some instances. And even then not everyone masters it completely. And then you have a "bot" that throws this all out at you in 10 sec. with typing in text. And it's just a prototype. 5 or 6 months ago that thing could only give you abstract forms. Now you can actually get pretty good illustrations in what, an hour of fiddling around with it? It doesn't matter that the result isn't perfect. The fact alone alone that you can give this to a monkey and with a bit of trying it will come back with something that's close enough is all you need. A team which maybe required 10 or 15 creatives can be reduced to 2. You can finish a project that might take you a month, in a day. Maybe even faster. Who knows? What will this mean to the income of countless of creatives out there when this is actually a standard in the industry?
You have to consider what the next generation of Ai will do or the one that comes after that. Where will it be in 5 years? And when people say "well it means they have to addapt to the new tool!" then I can only laugh. That would be like saying, horses had to addabt to the invention of the car. You can not compete with machines. It will devalue labour by a lot because the efficiency, the speed of how much work can be done will be exponential. It's not a skill issue. I could see a situation where instead of 10 concept artists working round the clock, you have now some poor schmock as intern pumping some keywords in a machine, making 300 images in 30 min. or something and the art director will take the best 5 or something, give it to the "art guy" for slight improvements/changes and that's it. A whole months work done in a few hours.
Ah, commissioning I take? From what you told it sounded like you're employeed in some kind of office environment. I mean where else would butt slapping happen.
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Gizmojunk
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The task of weaving is how you use the loom to generate the results; the choice of parameters for the AI is how you use it to generate the results. This can be somewhat likened to altering the gears in a difference engine to affect the calculation, and there by generate the end result.
*This could also —by a far stretch— be likened to conveying to another person how to do the work you imagine, by careful use of descriptive words. Yes it's the other person's work, but —they were the complex tool, their time was commissioned, their results owned by the customer. Yaks don't own the yams they plowed the field for, the farmer could not push or pull the plow alone. The yak was a complex tool; capable of the work—with prodding... so is the AI.
*This could also —by a far stretch— be likened to conveying to another person how to do the work you imagine, by careful use of descriptive words. Yes it's the other person's work, but —they were the complex tool, their time was commissioned, their results owned by the customer. Yaks don't own the yams they plowed the field for, the farmer could not push or pull the plow alone. The yak was a complex tool; capable of the work—with prodding... so is the AI.
Sure. But ... yeah. But it still makes a huge difference if 1 person can now do what required 100 people before.
Like I said. Those inventions caused famines, revolts, people died.
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
Slide rules & buggy whips; new technology always causes all sorts of upset.
(Not comparing these to that...)
The Fire hose replaced the bucket lines, and for the better.
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This superb airbrush was entirely obsolesced by cad software.
Yeah. And they are not always pretty. Which begs the question, if there is something that can be done to soften the blow on society. If certain technologies completely push out others which whole lifelyhoods depend on it. Do you just leave people alone or do you try to find ways so there is at least a chance to addapt?
Economies are complex and experts in Ai development believe that 1 in 2 jobs one way or another can be affected by automatisation. Some studies say that between 20 and 40% of the work force could be reduced. That can be quite a massive shift for some regions. Which means lower income, migrations, (between states) and so on.
It also makes a difference how quick transitions happen. If a certain technology is making changes over decades or if it's happening in just a few years.
Gizmojunk
Antediluvian as Feck
There will come a time where AI generated goods are seen as fake, like the owl in Blade Runner; the painting by human hand (or foot) will have greater value simply because it wasn't made by AI. It might take a while though.
Have you played any of the recent King's Bounty titles? That series' demand for portraits would be well served by AI, and be a better choice for the company than paying a human to do it.
I think artists will simply adapt the AI's into their toolset, or even their main workflow; some won't. Those that don't will have a selling point —to clients that appreciate that.
Have you played any of the recent King's Bounty titles? That series' demand for portraits would be well served by AI, and be a better choice for the company than paying a human to do it.
I think artists will simply adapt the AI's into their toolset, or even their main workflow; some won't. Those that don't will have a selling point —to clients that appreciate that.
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Meh. I doubt it honestly. Outside of some obscure art circles where people ejaculate to each other with comments about what this or that brushstroke now means psychologically because the parents didn't buy him a ponny. Sure. That will always exist.
But the majority of people? They don't give a damn. And I think Ai generated content will lead to a saturation that makes this even worse. Like, oh? You did this. Took you 5 hours? Ok. Teds new Ai he bought in E-Mart does it better in 5 sec. So what did you have for lunch?
To achieve the perfect human society, we will have to have machines and AIs do everything, once machines and AI do everything, there will be no need for money, leading to no more poverty. Star Trek's perfect human society was possible because of the invention of replicators, which would allow people to create everything they needed.
Say no to human work! Make machines do everything, then no one has to get a job anymore, everyone can do whatever they want for fun instead.
Now, where do I get an automated chef, maid and butler to start with?
Say no to human work! Make machines do everything, then no one has to get a job anymore, everyone can do whatever they want for fun instead.
Now, where do I get an automated chef, maid and butler to start with?
Yeah and a massive mental health crisis because people often get their self worth trough the jobs they have. The rate of machines overtaking work will only be overshadowed by the increase in pharmaceutical anti depressants.
Unemployed & Depressed: How Job Status Impacts Mental Health & Coping Strategies (therecoveryvillage.com)
Work is a central point in the lives of many people. Not only does their position provide them with money, but it also offers structure, socialization, a sense of purpose and belonging.
When a person loses their job or does not have a job, they can experience a void that becomes difficult to fill. Without employment, people may fall into problematic thinking and behavior patterns that result in negative mental health effects, including depression.
Unemployed & Depressed: How Job Status Impacts Mental Health & Coping Strategies (therecoveryvillage.com)
Work is a central point in the lives of many people. Not only does their position provide them with money, but it also offers structure, socialization, a sense of purpose and belonging.
When a person loses their job or does not have a job, they can experience a void that becomes difficult to fill. Without employment, people may fall into problematic thinking and behavior patterns that result in negative mental health effects, including depression.
Isn’t that more to do with the capitalist nature of work however? People feel incomplete without work because often they don’t see anything else?
Saying that, I find ai generated ark to be rather souless. It’s fun for a few memes, but techbros are often looking for the next big thing, and that next big thing is often a step back rather than a step forward.
There is a place for AI art, but I’ve seen on Twitter someone trying to make a comic through ai art. Don’t get me wrong, it’s a fun experiement. but it often misses the craftsmanship and nuance that the human hand has. Panels are repeated and often don’t flow into one another. It’s stylish yes… maybe even good in isolation. But in context it’s shobby work. And that’s something ai won’t be able to replicate.
I guess that would depend on what your definition of work is. Yeah, there are a lot of things out there that really are just "jobs". So I definetly agree with what you're saying. But believe it or not, I found people that really loved working on assembly line jobs where as I felt my soul leaving my body and my sanity chipped away piece by piece when I worked there.
If you ask me, it comes down to purpose. Do you feel that what you're doing has purpose? Where you feel like your skills, your effort is honored. A good job is so much more than just work. It can be a social environment and give you a feeling of accomplishment as well. Like this idea of a 8-17 type of job with a salary and all that? That's actually a pretty modern invention after all. Look at most of what "work" was in history and you will find a very different lifestyle compared to today. People really took pride in their professions, be it agriculture, craftsmanship or anything like that. So much that it was often not considered really work even. It was a lifestyle. Work was what you did for "others" like being a peasant or where you had to do something for a pay.
I think humans enjoy having occuptions. Or at the very least something they can do to escape the dullness that can come with life. Like I don't know, a lot of people, surprisingly, actually do enjoy gardening or other physical activities, chopping wood, feeding and taking care for animals. Someone who does like absolutely nothing with his time? There is word for that. It's known as being depressed.
And that kinda comes back to your point. A lot of people today are doing stuff that makes them really feel miserable and they only do it because you need an income. But it's often still all they have at the end and it gives them a sense of pride. Take that away and will they actually be satisfied in the end? There are not many worse feelings than the feeling of being "obsolete" and "unwanted". And tat might be how a lot of people will feel, even if they had an income without a job (UBI). Because yeah, they internalised this idea that to have a "real" occupation, you must get money for it. Adjusting to that will be really difficult for some.
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AI generated memes have been happening for years already.
If people say they are being turned into automatons working in factories or on assembly lines; why do these same people moan when a process is automated?
We work to live, not live to work. The ratio of working people (producers) is imbalanced, less people are working longer hours to stand still, or get worse off, financially.
You all talk within the parameters of what is often described as capitalism.
Capitalism exploits capitalism, it cannot work without exploitation during the many processes of production; therefore, it is self-defeating.
A saturation point is reached, when through competition and cost cutting any further exploitation becomes impossible.
For a long time in Britain, certain types of work have become non profitable for the workers in that industry.
To counter this government slashed benefits across the board. So instead of making work, worthwhile they cut welfare into poverty inducing, malnourishment.
When criminal barristers find their working hours to pay ratio puts them in the sub-minimum wage bracket, they have taken strike action.
People before profit: " Work is the scourge of the drinking classes " Carlos maximus III.
We work to live, not live to work. The ratio of working people (producers) is imbalanced, less people are working longer hours to stand still, or get worse off, financially.
You all talk within the parameters of what is often described as capitalism.
Capitalism exploits capitalism, it cannot work without exploitation during the many processes of production; therefore, it is self-defeating.
A saturation point is reached, when through competition and cost cutting any further exploitation becomes impossible.
For a long time in Britain, certain types of work have become non profitable for the workers in that industry.
To counter this government slashed benefits across the board. So instead of making work, worthwhile they cut welfare into poverty inducing, malnourishment.
When criminal barristers find their working hours to pay ratio puts them in the sub-minimum wage bracket, they have taken strike action.
People before profit: " Work is the scourge of the drinking classes " Carlos maximus III.
When I look at some people in here, my guess Ai generated forum members too.
2 members of staff show in the list. 7 members show, only 6 are listed. Along with the hordes of viewing non members, 28 bots patrol the ether.
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TorontoReign
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My artist friend made these using Midjourney.
Is that text driven like craiyon. Beltin pics.
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Not sure exactly.
Yeah it is text based.
Add this after your texts to make them awesome
volumetric octane render, ultra detailed, unreal engine, --aspect 16:9
Yeah it is text based.
Add this after your texts to make them awesome
volumetric octane render, ultra detailed, unreal engine, --aspect 16:9
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It's sad but inevitable. AI and machines will take over the arts, not just painting but also literature, sculpture, cinema, music, etc.
This is the world we live in, greed will always lead to companies wanting to use machines for anything that machines will be able to do, and it won't take that long to have automated ways of writing novels, making sculptures, making movies, making music and whatever else.
Soon-ish there won't be drivers, with the improvement of self-driving cars, deliveries will be made by drones, self-driving cars, pizza delivery robots and all of that stuff.
The evolution of 3D printing will allow AI to create sculptures, and the evolution of AI learning will lead to the development of software that will write as well as many writers, and that will be able to create music in all types of genres and that sound like any kind of artists (and even with the voice of these artists). AI will also be able to create perfect virtual images and holograms of any artist, no matter if they are alive or dead.
Imagine Elvis impersonators trying to compete with a perfect visual reproduction of both Elvis' body, movements and voice. They wouldn't stand a chance.
Even TV presenters and hosts will be AI's in the not-so-far future.
And Crni is right, this will lead to a world where most art will be made by soulless AI and machines, and will throw a lot of people into unemployment. Art was supposed to represent human feelings, emotions and all that deep stuff, but soon those will be made by AI. It's scary to think about this.
It reminds me how I was already disappointed that these days 99.99% of all animated movies are CGI instead of actually drawn, and I feel sad every time I think that most kids from now on will not know how fun watching drawn animated movies is, and how beautiful some can look like. They can still watch the old ones, but I bet most kids will not watch those in the future, this is even more exacerbated with Disney making real-life and CGI remakes of their classic movies, but at least even these CGI animated movies are still made by humans. AI in arts is like this, it will leave me with this disappointment and sense of loss when it reaches the stage of replacing most artists.
This sucks, and I joke about it because if I don't joke about it then what else is there? Sadness, depression, helplessness, powerlessness, etc.
But I will tell you one thing, what I would love would be to have an AI that would make games. I bet they would be better than all the AAA games that are released these days.
This is the world we live in, greed will always lead to companies wanting to use machines for anything that machines will be able to do, and it won't take that long to have automated ways of writing novels, making sculptures, making movies, making music and whatever else.
Soon-ish there won't be drivers, with the improvement of self-driving cars, deliveries will be made by drones, self-driving cars, pizza delivery robots and all of that stuff.
The evolution of 3D printing will allow AI to create sculptures, and the evolution of AI learning will lead to the development of software that will write as well as many writers, and that will be able to create music in all types of genres and that sound like any kind of artists (and even with the voice of these artists). AI will also be able to create perfect virtual images and holograms of any artist, no matter if they are alive or dead.
Imagine Elvis impersonators trying to compete with a perfect visual reproduction of both Elvis' body, movements and voice. They wouldn't stand a chance.
Even TV presenters and hosts will be AI's in the not-so-far future.
And Crni is right, this will lead to a world where most art will be made by soulless AI and machines, and will throw a lot of people into unemployment. Art was supposed to represent human feelings, emotions and all that deep stuff, but soon those will be made by AI. It's scary to think about this.
It reminds me how I was already disappointed that these days 99.99% of all animated movies are CGI instead of actually drawn, and I feel sad every time I think that most kids from now on will not know how fun watching drawn animated movies is, and how beautiful some can look like. They can still watch the old ones, but I bet most kids will not watch those in the future, this is even more exacerbated with Disney making real-life and CGI remakes of their classic movies, but at least even these CGI animated movies are still made by humans. AI in arts is like this, it will leave me with this disappointment and sense of loss when it reaches the stage of replacing most artists.
This sucks, and I joke about it because if I don't joke about it then what else is there? Sadness, depression, helplessness, powerlessness, etc.
But I will tell you one thing, what I would love would be to have an AI that would make games. I bet they would be better than all the AAA games that are released these days.