AI Generated Images for people that cannot do art

[TorontoReign]

Jesus dudes chill the fuck out.

CGI exists because of shit like this. It is not the end of the world. It is a tool. You act like people will stop wanting to draw fucking stick figures due to boredom. Nah they just wanna press that magic button and go boom! Blah.

I mean hand drawn pencil art will still for sure not be run by ai robots at the very least. I still see kids scribbling in notebooks or on tablets of some kind. If not who cares art is a field that too many people are in to begin with. They should probably find something useful to do if they can't make money like that.

 

[Risewild]

I'm pretty chill.

It's unavoidable, I have no power over it and I don't know if I would change it had I the power to, anyway.
Technology will always improve and this will change society and human life. Usually for the better. Look at modern medicine, it improved the lives of humans, yes, we still have doctors and all of that stuff, but now we can just go to a store and buy a lot of different types of medicine without the use of a doctor. Probably ended the career of old herbalists and stuff like that.

And here's a thing, automated art can be bad for professionals, and it's sad this will happen, but it will make art more accessible. For anyone that ever made art and felt that nice fuzzy feeling of accomplishment and pride for doing something that was good, imagine all the people that can achieve this same feeling when they use AI and machines to create something they think it's good. There are more people in this world that can't do any art at all, and would never get to experience these feelings because they would never be able to create anything like that by themselves.
Yes, the effort put into it is on a totally different level, but the feeling and happiness are exactly the same.

I have a friend that was so proud that he managed to use photoshop's "content-aware fill" to fix an image. He was really happy and proud of what he achieved by himself (even though it was just pressing a button). I was surprised by this because I have been using this and other photoshop things for many years and it's really easy for me and nothing special. But for him, being able to achieve this by himself made him so happy. I imagine that people that could never draw or paint will feel this same thing even if they use automated means.

It's like in the old days, wanted to write a book available for anyone to read? Too bad, you can't, only important people could read and write and only monks could copy books. But these days, any idiot can write and publish a book and be read by almost anyone. Yes, poor monks stopped copying books, but it's now accessible to most people in the world to be able to do it.

Technology will always make things more accessible, and usually, that is a good thing. I will sound cruel, but this has always happened and society will just have to adapt like it always did.

It's sad that most art will be made by machines, but it will also make it more accessible to everyone. And in the middle of this "everyone" will always be the shining gems that will be the masters of the craft.

It might seem like I contradict myself with my posts, but that is because this situation is both good and joyful in some ways but also sad and painful in others. Am I happy more people will be able to "create" art and feel happy about it? Yes, I am. Am I happy this might lead to professional artists losing their income? No, I'm not.

But it's the way of advancement since humans first appear. And nothing will stop it, and it will be beneficial for the vast majority of people.


Man, I should stop posting walls of text when I am too tired.

 

[TorontoReign]

Well not just you but also you here

"This sucks, and I joke about it because if I don't joke about it then what else is there? Sadness, depression, helplessness, powerlessness, etc."

Since like I say I find art to be something that is actually going to totally bite us in the ass when the COMET FOR SURE HITS AND NONE OF US KNOW HOW TO DO ANYTHING AAAAARRGGGGHHHHHHH.

 

[Gizmojunk]

Too bad, you can't, only important people could read and write and only monks could copy books.

 

[eissa]

Yaaaay at least I trust AI from now on to make much better LOTR movies adaptation than Amazon. Washooy.

 

[Risewild]

Tell that to Portugal. In 1940, only 40% of the total population was literate. Let alone in medieval times.
My grandfather was still illiterate until he passed away less than 10 years ago.

 

[eissa]

I'm pretty chill.

It's unavoidable, I have no power over it and I don't know if I would change it had I the power to, anyway.
Technology will always improve and this will change society and human life. Usually for the better. Look at modern medicine, it improved the lives of humans, yes, we still have doctors and all of that stuff, but now we can just go to a store and buy a lot of different types of medicine without the use of a doctor. Probably ended the career of old herbalists and stuff like that.

And here's a thing, automated art can be bad for professionals, and it's sad this will happen, but it will make art more accessible. For anyone that ever made art and felt that nice fuzzy feeling of accomplishment and pride for doing something that was good, imagine all the people that can achieve this same feeling when they use AI and machines to create something they think it's good. There are more people in this world that can't do any art at all, and would never get to experience these feelings because they would never be able to create anything like that by themselves.
Yes, the effort put into it is on a totally different level, but the feeling and happiness are exactly the same.

I have a friend that was so proud that he managed to use photoshop's "content-aware fill" to fix an image. He was really happy and proud of what he achieved by himself (even though it was just pressing a button). I was surprised by this because I have been using this and other photoshop things for many years and it's really easy for me and nothing special. But for him, being able to achieve this by himself made him so happy. I imagine that people that could never draw or paint will feel this same thing even if they use automated means.

It's like in the old days, wanted to write a book available for anyone to read? Too bad, you can't, only important people could read and write and only monks could copy books. But these days, any idiot can write and publish a book and be read by almost anyone. Yes, poor monks stopped copying books, but it's now accessible to most people in the world to be able to do it.

Technology will always make things more accessible, and usually, that is a good thing. I will sound cruel, but this has always happened and society will just have to adapt like it always did.

It's sad that most art will be made by machines, but it will also make it more accessible to everyone. And in the middle of this "everyone" will always be the shining gems that will be the masters of the craft.

It might seem like I contradict myself with my posts, but that is because this situation is both good and joyful in some ways but also sad and painful in others. Am I happy more people will be able to "create" art and feel happy about it? Yes, I am. Am I happy this might lead to professional artists losing their income? No, I'm not.

But it's the way of advancement since humans first appear. And nothing will stop it, and it will be beneficial for the vast majority of people.


Man, I should stop posting walls of text when I am too tired.

Basically we would make our own version of Standard Template Construct for artistic and entertainment purpose than engineering instead.

 

[Risewild]

Also about literacy (read and write) in Medieval Europe:

What it means to be literate is not an absolute standard even now. This was even more true in the Middle Ages when the majority of the population couldn’t read at all, a certain percentage could read and not write, and the only way to be ‘literate’ at the time was if a person could read Latin. Literacy in other languages didn’t count.

 

[Morgan_]

Latin

Beat me to it! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Spoiler

 

[william dempsey]

"This sucks, and I joke about it because if I don't joke about it then what else is there? Sadness, depression, helplessness, powerlessness, etc."

I agree with that 243%. Americans and Englanders often make jokes about disasters as a defence mechanism from life's random events.

The further away (geographically)the better. When Japan had a Tsunami my phone (at that time) was flooded with inane texts from M8's and family. Surfing contest won by ' Soh kin wet ' and so on.

Graphic artists have used computers to generate art for a relatively long time, although only seconds in the history of art!
My point is proper art, using paints from ancient, earth pigments developed into using man-made synthetic paints.
The colour scale, Hue,Value,chroma and mixing on the grey scale is completely different from the colour spectrum of light.
White light refracting into colours of the rainbow was noticed long, long ago when a monk transcribing Latin into binary noticed light refracted through a glass vase of daffidildos.

Pink Floyd also noticed this phenomenon.
Mixing RGB pigments in theory is supposed to reach saturation and make black!

There is no way to make white. White pigments make white.
So say D artists were alive today Dali,Degas,Dürer and they had all the top tools an illustrator/graphic artist uses. Using customisable brushes, styli and graphics tablets like Ecstasy ™ as they created MASTERPIECES they could joke in Esperanto to the AI programs. " mixing phthalo blue with tempura, blot out command line (x) then try to fuck Alexa up her virtual shitter"

 

[Crni Vuk]

It's sad but inevitable. AI and machines will take over the arts, not just painting but also literature, sculpture, cinema, music, etc.

Already way ahead of us ...

The evolution of 3D printing will allow AI to create sculptures, and the evolution of AI learning will lead to the development of software that will write as well as many writers, and that will be able to create music in all types of genres and that sound like any kind of artists (and even with the voice of these artists). AI will also be able to create perfect virtual images and holograms of any artist, no matter if they are alive or dead.
Imagine Elvis impersonators trying to compete with a perfect visual reproduction of both Elvis' body, movements and voice. They wouldn't stand a chance.

No seriously. I have read comments like "Welp! Looks I'll get back to traditional art then!".

In the mean time :

The thing is that many (way too many!) don't understand what exactly Ai is. It's not merely a "tool". Where they believe that it's all about "Internet and digital and stuff". It's first and foremost about efficiency. Automatisation happend outside the digital space much sooner than with Ai decades ago. Going from "digital painting", so to speak, to a "traditional" one is piss easy. Given that there is an interest in it to do it. I programmed robotic arms in school already 15 years ago to do "automated" stuff. It was pissy easy - relatively speaking. And even then the "tech" was already 20 years old by now.

And now Boston Dynamics or some other company has Robots doing backflips, running, carrying stuff, opening doors and performing all sorts of "human" activities long before Ai could paint something like Midjourney or DALL-E on the computer. Anyone who thinks traditional art (or any other activity) is "safe" because it's not a programm, hasn't been paying attention.

And even to those people that say, oh hey I am a mighty plumer! My job is safe! A robot can never do what I do! Yeah. Dream on buddy. Beacuse for now it is still simply still too expensive to have a fucking robot do everything that you do. But once that becomes actually affordable - and there is already research on it - this will become more common to use as well. As much as I respect physical labour but what most people do out there, isn't rocket science. So yeah. A machine can and will do it better andcheaper at some point.

Brick Laying Robots, are already real.



Robots doing carpenter work :



And there are many more examples of tech that's currently developed, where machines might be trained to do many of the tasks by low wage workers. Flipping burgers, amazon warehouse workers you name it.

Robots are comming for (almost) all professions out there. And they come probaly must faster for it than many think. I mean even I didn't expect it to happen THAT fast with what the Ai does already now! And how quickly it developed over just the last 2-3 months! It's downright scary. And the thing is, they don't have to be "perfect" for everything. They just have to be close enough. Once the programms and robots are cheap and common enough they will replace a lot of people. It's already happening. Automatisation is already job-killer number one in the United States.

But the worst part of all of this? Isn't even the technology. It's how damn fucking oblivious society and most importantly our politicans are. They would have to make legislations, regulations and working out concepts how to deal with all of this, right now. Having a wide spread political and social discussion on where the technology will be in 1, 5 or 10 years and what we have to do now to soften the blow and make it work for the people rather than against it. But there is like, nothing. And once they actually catch up, it will be too late. And a lot of people will be already faced with the consequences of the tech. And that is what really scares me the most about this.

 

[TorontoReign]

It's still a tool just like any software.

 

[Crni Vuk]

CGI exists because of shit like this. It is not the end of the world. It is a tool. You act like people will stop wanting to draw fucking stick figures due to boredom. Nah they just wanna press that magic button and go boom! Blah.

So was the Steam Engine and Electricity. And look what it caused in society when it was fully implemented and upgraded.

What we see here is not only a tool it's at the same time a epochal change. Like where you say before humans had fire and after humans fire or before humans could use iron and after humans could use iron, or where electricity and the steam engine lead to the era of industrialisation. Certain technologies or "tools" are so influental that they created/defined a time period.

And Ai as a tool of automatition has the same potential - I am not saying it has to play out like that I am just saying it could and I believe there are strong arguments to believe it will.

The automatisation that could happen with Ai together with other technologies has the potential to increase the efficiency exponentially. And in a very short time. Right now it's impossible to say where the creative business for example will be in 1 or 2 years because the technology we already see here with the Ai, is that groundbraking. Yeah yeah I know you don't give a fuck yada yada. That's ok. I am not mad at your apathy. Take something you deeply care about or the job/occupation you love and now think what would happen if there was this "magic box" that would allow you to speed up your efficiency by 100. Or even 1000. What would your job look like? How would you feel about that? That's the question here.

It's still a tool just like any software.

I sooo much want to slapp you right now. Like really hard. And than give you a hug. Beacuse I like you. But still slap first.

 

[TorontoReign]

So does a tool stop being a tool when it becomes scary to you like with a gun or something?

 

[Crni Vuk]

You would think different if all you knew and had was only front loading muskets and suddenly someone gave your neighbour an M60 machinegun.

 

[TorontoReign]

Would I cease to believe in the infallibility of words? I doubt it.

OH THIS IS SEMANTICS. I LOVE THAT GAME!!!!!!

 

[Crni Vuk]

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*A one smiley post*

 

[TorontoReign]

Would you consider your penis a tool by chance? I know I would.

 

[william dempsey]

AI is artificial intelligence ! Any soft cunt can lay bricks or hang a door. Woodgraing a door to look like Jacobean Oak then painting a heraldic shield with Latin Motto is best left to master craftsmen.

Can an apprentice auto bricklayer run to the shops for the lad's lunch order ? Does the auto bricklayer know when to shutdown during pissing rain?
Can it join a Freemasons Lodge ? This stuff is/are just automatrons not thinking decision making.

I remember reply bots years ago which would paraphrase a bit of the question you asked then you would be shown a list with pics of say IT specialist that would list their hourly rate.

So If you asked say " I am having trouble setting up a new hard drive as a secondary slave ........."

The answer would be " I had trouble ..... I can sort this no problem, blah blah, send money to ...

So if you said " I fucked some old scrubber a few weeks ago, now I think I have crabs "

The ' AI' would reply. I... ... No problem I know how to fix this.

 

[Crni Vuk]

I strongly consider to ignore you right now. Just joking. Still, you on crack or something? I mean I get it. You just want to have fun. Maye just see the world burn. But to me this is a serious discussion. All I am asking is that you don't just make a joke out of for the sake of joking. It's beneath your intelligence. And mine too.

Don't make me lose respect for you!

I'm pretty chill.

It's unavoidable, I have no power over it and I don't know if I would change it had I the power to, anyway.
Technology will always improve and this will change society and human life. Usually for the better.

In the long run? Probably. But I do not think the technology will improve human life in the short term. This is a generational shift. There will be a time "before" Ai and "after" Ai, like how there was a time before the internet and after the internet. But there will be also a period between it, where the transition happens. And that is what really makes me think. The majority will have serious issues - I think - to adjust with the new reality.

There is no doubt in my mind that the potential for Ai to be helpfull to humanity are nearly limitless, once it is fully integrated in our society like cars or the mobile phone are today where nearly everyone has one.

But I have not really any hopes for the "short term". When the transition happens. The moment where Ai is not fully integrated yet but already applied in many areas. And this will be very difficult for a lot of people. Look into the past and how often certain technologies actually really impacted society. The Steam engine, machine guns, explosives and a lot more. In the end it was probably beneficial. But not always in the begining when there was still a sort of "learning period" where you have "old ideas" and views clash with the new ones.

And Even if we would find solutoins for certain issues, like I don't know if we had not to worry about jobs and corporations or people en masse loosing their income, it would still beg the question what would happen with the people. The ones that are in their 30, 40s, and 50s right now, the people that define themself trough the era they have grown up in where they didn't have to deal with Ais for example. Where having a "job" and "steady income" by it was a key element of their lifes. Take that away from a lot of people and they will get in to serious trouble. Even if they had an income outside of their job. I don't think a lot of people could deal with having suddenly so much "free time".