America proves itself to belong to the 3rd World. Again.
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Then you use that defence in court and the court rules in your favour.
At least that's how it works here.
At least that's how it works here.
Professor Danger!
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Damn, I wish they would throw me in prison for speaking to people too. You can't do one without the other. If you want the first amendment, you get ALL of it, whether or not you like it.
It's not "freedom of speech unless someone hurts your feelings". Sure, it's kinda crappy. But I think it's kinda crappy when those Westboro Baptist people protest military funerals or when people burn American flags in some sort of protest.
Deal with it.
It's not "freedom of speech unless someone hurts your feelings". Sure, it's kinda crappy. But I think it's kinda crappy when those Westboro Baptist people protest military funerals or when people burn American flags in some sort of protest.
Deal with it.
Yes, yes you can. Freedom isn't an end unto itself, it's merely the means to happiness.
If the Westboro idiots tried to do such a stunt in Europe, they'd be practically buried by the courts.
If the Westboro idiots tried to do such a stunt in Europe, they'd be practically buried by the courts.
Professor Danger!
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Tagaziel said:
Does this fall under libel or slander? If not, you can do it/say it/express it, whether people like it or not. Period.
How can you compare two different systems that are, well, different as if they were the same or one is much better than the other. I'm sure if I did a little research I could come up with countless bullshits from Europe.
The underlying issue was that the law was overly broad. If it is rewritten to better target the intent of the law then everyone can support that; it was just a bad piece of legislation in the first place and infringed on other types of speech.
Professor Danger!
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Murdoch said:
That's exactly what the people should let the government do. Just change all the laws. Hey, want not just take them away. I'm sure they're sick of people bashing the government.
How about we take care of actual criminals instead of trying to take people's freedoms away?
k, you lost me. What exactly is your point?
Yes, it was. If so, then modify the law or deem parts of it unconstitutional, instead of repealing it in its entirety and legalizing animal cruelty depictions.
Which is schizophrenic. Dog fights are illegal, but profiting off of selling videos of it is? How fucked up is that?
Freedom is not an absolute, nor is it an end unto itself.
Yes, we have a lot of bullshit. Thankfully, profiting from animal cruelty is illegal and will stay illegal. Same for hate mongers.
Which is schizophrenic. Dog fights are illegal, but profiting off of selling videos of it is? How fucked up is that?
Professor Danger! said:
Freedom is not an absolute, nor is it an end unto itself.
Yes, we have a lot of bullshit. Thankfully, profiting from animal cruelty is illegal and will stay illegal. Same for hate mongers.
Professor Danger!
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But profiting from human harm (like cigarettes, alcohol, unhealthy food, pornography, etc.) is okay?
Same thing happens with hate speech laws. The First Amendment is a right in the USA. Makes us unique, unlike Europe, whose countries are only distinguished by the language they speak.Tagaziel said:
Oh, and do you get a boner everytime you call America third-world? You were spraying that bilge in the U.S. Healthcare thread too.
how pornography is human harm? haha I bet that lots of people gladly have their own money and can live their own lifes with the porn industry, and probably most of people in the professional porn industry is not forced to do porn movies.
Professor Danger! said:
Those are called sin taxes, and are used to discourage behavior without infringing rights.
OakTable said it right.
Professor Danger! said:
Humans have a choice in the matter. Animals don't.
OakTable said:
First of all, the First Amendment is called legislation, not right.
Second, really? The ability to preach hate freely is a distinguishing quality?
If this happened in Europe or anywhere else in the world, I'd call it out too. It's just that America and its confusion of ends and means is more prone to fuck ups.
Professor Danger!
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Radiated Heinz said:
If there's even one, it should be a problem. "Oh hey, we only had a couple people murdered in our town. We'll just let it go, it's not like everyone is murdering people."
I wouldn't even say "most" people in the porn industry are doing well, but "some". But you have to be blind to think that there isn't abuse, drugs, etc. going on in that world. Which should be looked at.
Oh well, though. Screw them AND let's get rid of the first amendment.
Are you a vegan?
Bill of Rights anyone?
The First Amendment is in the Bill of Rights. That's not legislation. You know, for a guy who repeatedly stated healthcare was a human right, you don't seem to care for his right to Free Speech.
It's true that racism and things like this are horrible. They're done by cruel and barbarous people. However, the U.S. cannot do anything to stop it legally. The same thing that blocks the U.S. from censoring things like that incident with Reuters also prevents it from outlawing hate speech.
It's true that racism and things like this are horrible. They're done by cruel and barbarous people. However, the U.S. cannot do anything to stop it legally. The same thing that blocks the U.S. from censoring things like that incident with Reuters also prevents it from outlawing hate speech.
Yes, of course, but everything is this way. I am just saying that pornography isn't a good example of "human harm". There are plenty of others far worse examples. Whatever, back to topic:
Really, you know what, fuck the first amendment. You guys are always defending the first amendment, but if the first amendment was really fair, I mean REALLY, for everyone, I'd be with your guys, but it isn't, when America want to hunt something (be it communists, muslims, whatever you are at war against), you don't even remember the first amendment and the rights of your own citizens to express their political and religious views.
Now, when dealing with lifes of other living beings, which can't defend themselves, you are there, defending the first amendment, as it was an absolute truth and as if your country were REALLY driven by this. Spare me of this hypocrisy. Why don't you revoke all laws dealing with child pornography too? Everyone has the right to show whatever they want, and no law can prohibit that, freedom of speech, sir!
americans said:
Really, you know what, fuck the first amendment. You guys are always defending the first amendment, but if the first amendment was really fair, I mean REALLY, for everyone, I'd be with your guys, but it isn't, when America want to hunt something (be it communists, muslims, whatever you are at war against), you don't even remember the first amendment and the rights of your own citizens to express their political and religious views.
Now, when dealing with lifes of other living beings, which can't defend themselves, you are there, defending the first amendment, as it was an absolute truth and as if your country were REALLY driven by this. Spare me of this hypocrisy. Why don't you revoke all laws dealing with child pornography too? Everyone has the right to show whatever they want, and no law can prohibit that, freedom of speech, sir!
Professor Danger!
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Radiated Heinz said:
I forgot, when people express political or religious opinions, we lock them up and/or execute them. Wait. What? We don't? That's right. Maybe you should try again.
"Fuck the first amendment". Very good input.
Depends on the situation. When the "victims" of tobaco pulled the companies to the court they have won billion of dollars as compensation. Now they warn the consumers regarding the danger of such agents that it might be unhealty to consume them. So make out of that what you want.Professor Danger! said:
To sell and make profit of legal drugs is for sure no issue. But to not warn your consumer from potential dangers you know about is a different story. By the way we are talking about adult human beeings which should know what they are doing. Well at least thats what you can expect.
Animals are not comparable to humans in that sense and thus need or protection to make sure that there is no uneeded violance or torture. So I have to agree with Tagaz-whats-his-name
It is fucked up.Tagaziel said: