Anyone else think this whole 'Synth' thing has gone too far?

Vergil said:
The Minutemen is dumb let's leave it at that.

Now.. let's discuss the Railroad!
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Actually the Railroad would probably be a better discussion seeing as, like I said before, the Minutemen are literally just you. They have no defining features outside the fact that they own a Castle, have the most annoying NPC in the game as their representative, and that you lead them. That's it.
 
Agh. I'm even having trouble reading what I wrote (as usual), and now I'm having trouble reading where this is going. Not gonna moralise shitposting tho. At least that's not what I'm feeelin atm
 
olestra said:
Agh. I'm even having trouble reading what I wrote (as usual), and now I'm having trouble reading where this is going. Not gonna moralise shitposting tho. At least that's not what I'm feeelin atm
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First time outta the vault and first time hittin the bong.
 
Far from the first, but also very far since my last. Mushrooms and psychedelics in general otoh, quite agree with me and I am immensely overdue. Like I'm not gonna lie tho, the idea that I could struggle through the wastes keeping myself and [a] gay lover alive was what brought me back to Fallout. I'm not that deep, I just talk a lot.

On the topic of synths tho, Ragemage hit on where like the subjectivity lies. I see synths as people. Of course, it's really hard to critique people's interpretations of a story where the storywriting is shoddy and doesn't connect the dots. It would also go way tmi into my personal ethics and as you may notice I'm not so good with brevity, articulation. Not that I don't want to, but luckily for you, I just ate a lot of pasta. The game just screams "someone had a lot of money", eerily some big media company with Donald Trump's brother on the board of directors, and by some twist of fate at least hired a lot of artists--maybe someone will do something with it!
 
olestra said:
Far from the first, but also very far since my last. Mushrooms and psychedelics in general otoh, quite agree with me and I am immensely overdue. Like I'm not gonna lie tho, the idea that I could struggle through the wastes keeping myself and [a] gay lover alive was what brought me back to Fallout. I'm not that deep, I just talk a lot.

On the topic of synths tho, Ragemage hit on where like the subjectivity lies. I see synths as people. Of course, it's really hard to critique people's interpretations of a story where the storywriting is shoddy and doesn't connect the dots. It would also go way tmi into my personal ethics and as you may notice I'm not so good with brevity, articulation. Not that I don't want to, but luckily for you, I just ate a lot of pasta. The game just screams "someone had a lot of money", eerily some big media company with Donald Trump's brother on the board of directors, and by some twist of fate at least hired a lot of artists--maybe someone will do something with it!
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Oh, so you are going to get me into the morality of Fallout fans and shitposting. --Why?

>>>>beating a dead horse
>>>beating off a dead horse
>>beating a dead horse
>beating off a dead horse
 
Whoa. That's phenomenal. Where'd you get such an on-point gif literally beating a dead horse specifically in the privates on short notice?
 
Vergil said:
Synths were ok for a little Blade Runner homage quest but basing the whole game around them is almost impossible to do interestingly. Honestly what story about robotic humans hasn't been done to death already? I'm just shocked Bethesda didn't pull the "YOU WERE A ROBOT THE ENTIRE TIME OMG #PLOTTWIST". Although that would certainly explain the main character's dull and lifeless delivery of almost all his lines.
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I was going to say that I was hoping that you were a synth and that the whole intro sequence was just an implanted memory, I was hoping this was true because it made a whole lot of problems with the game make sense. Although it would have been cliche I could have dealt with the extended homage to Blade Runner.

I was pretty certain you were a synth considering you kill a courser which is a killing machine with a nervous system of steel and overall physiology that is vastly superior to anything out there in the wasteland (at least they should be). And I kinda thought that maybe the reason your PC is so bad at finding solutions to conflict that don't involve killing everything might have been because your synth brain isn't designed adequately to deal with social nuances which kind of explains why you generally just work to fulfil others desires.

I kinda thought it would have been nice if you were a synth and then at the end you were told that the fathers really is just your designer and your son was just a memory implanted to give you a strong survival instinct and desire to survive the wasteland and make it all the way back to the institute, I mean that would explain why Sean had confidence that you would make it. He knew you'd make it because he knows that you are designed to be stronger than any other synth to specs, and the wasteland was a test. I'm still kind of hoping that somewhere it will be revealed that the reason for the plot rigidity is due to institute programming.

Somehow this is how I've justified the cringy attempts at jokes and the terrible outburst of non-sarcastic sarcasm.
 
Again it's a worldview thing compounded by the fact that its dependent on if one can even interpret what Bethesda thinks they're portraying. If they went that far. I don't think we need to agree.

I'm pretty much in between a preference utilitarian and negative utilitarian. You know: like PeTA says they are. This isn't going to end well.

I just don't think you should steal other people's very painful histories. It's theirs. That's my issue with the Railroad.

On synths tho, how I saw the Institute so dangerous was that they were creating whole people, like magicians, and deciding the fate of those people, and also whatever awful processes were used in the development of those people. Where I feel my duty for empathy starts is the capacity for suffering, then it's compounded by a being's awareness of their situation, where humans become immensely complicated in terms of arbitrarily deciding their fate for them. Synths recreated the horrors of life that were important to where I centre personhood. They were nociceptive and fully subjective, not merely computers, they are the product of abuse for what they had in common with human and animal life, and the result was just as could have been predicted. So they have a switch that resets all synaptic connections. That sounds like focal ECT on every neuron, maybe they could do it to humans. They sound like a mosaic of what the Institute wanted. I had no idea the convenants test actually worked, I thought that it was just a GOAT was further to emphasise they were paranoid pseudoscientific crackpots. Maybe they went back and forth on this, idk Bethesda 4 for u ¯\(°_o)/¯ Anyone's guess really and I don't know if it matters, to me at least. If parts of my brain are focally lesioned I will lose certain faculties and make certain errors, wouldn't make me less of a person, or I could cease being able to recognise faces, etc etc. The thing is they got the capacity to suffer down and that's where things begin for me and the Institute seems especially sadistic. I felt similarly about the Voigt-Kampff tests of Blade Runner, the whole ethical crisis of the movie was they were clearly hunting down real people. A self-appointed God/Demiurge like entity was making purpose-built people from scratch, and all the perils that would come with that, not mere things. That they had imperfections one may or may not have been able to tease out seemed part of the torture and persecution they faced, not proof they weren't real people.
 
Ragemage said:
If Inner Fish starts the argument back up I'll be more than willing to put the gloves back on. As for now though, I'm taking my championship belt and walking out with the prize money.
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Look the internet is at it's best when used for listening counter arguments and learning things that contradicts with what you already know. To approach it as if it's a boxing ring equal to being utter ignorant. I ceased to answer you because it reached to a point where i'll forced to "repeat" same arguments over and over. I never cared to be one "who wrote the last post", if person i argued provides nothing new for me to learn or simply tries to prove he is right, then what's the point? There are quite a few users here talks like an authority in topics that they have almost zero intellectual knowledge about, please don't be one of them.

I'm not trying to be sarky and if this post sounds sarky then it's due to my mediocre English. What i gather from your posts you're not very knowledgeable when it comes A.I, medicine and other popular science subjects. You even simply beat off some arguments by saying something equivalent to: "i don't think so". It's simply saying "i'm here bang heads and nothing else".
 
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