Atomic Cowboy

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by yfk12, Jan 12, 2019.

  1. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010

    Aww, thank you <3
    Always nice to hear people enjoyed that pixel rapefest.

    Sander was undeniably great at debates, when he was actually debating. Aside from his "annoy them until they break down" tactics, he was always good at constructing arguments and providing evidence. I do not know if he tended to make fallacies in his discourse, but I believe most of the things he has ever argued for he did with a solid backing of sources and evidence, which is more than commendable.

    But his attitude while debating (that of an insufferable cunt who knows all) combined with his (and Tagz', as a duo) tendencies to abuse his powers really made me (and many others) dislike him a lot, lot more.
    You mentioned Akratus - who was at the time quite all right, I think, and even though his arguments were kinda shit, I'm not sure why he got banned aside from...dunno, he started to annoy Sander I guess. I don't know the proper reason behind that decision. I could be wrong, though, but permabanning felt like abuse of power.
     
  2. Hassknecht

    Hassknecht For hate's sake. Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Aug 16, 2010
    Korin is here to stay because I don't know shit about the technical stuff. I'm just a glorified moderator, really.
     
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  3. TheOtherManInTheRoom

    TheOtherManInTheRoom Watchman

    169
    Mar 28, 2018
    Yeah, not for the faint-hearted, but that only makes it more delicious.

    The superiority complex did come across, particularly when Tagz was summoned back and promptly abused his power and continuously invoked his position to win arguments about Fallout 4. Then again, I didn't mind that on the gamergate stuff because it's easy to be superior when you are arguing against such people (and I mentioned Akratus because he was the best, I can remember others who were certainly far worse.)

    I don't think Akratus is banned from what I can see, which is also why I mentioned him-Sander did not ban him or TheWesDude or anyone who he argued with on those threads. So, it does seem that at some point, the power got to his head a little too much. (Though of course you guys know better if this Sander who wasn't as bad as he became is a myth or not.)

    Tagz is another story. At least Sander doesn't openly mock us now from what I can see.
     
  4. Atomkilla

    Atomkilla Hazel Hegemon oTO Orderite

    Dec 26, 2010
    To be perfectly honest, I don't remember anymore. The details, that is. Who banned whom, when etc.

    All I can tell you is that I used to really like Tagz - he was one of the people who indirectly brought me to NMA, so to speak - and while I never cared much about Sander, I used to think he was cool. All that changed during Gamergate shitstorm. They left soon after.

    I've only recently learned that Tagz has been badmouthing NMA and is "pro-FO4". Honestly, I don't care much, it's his right to do so, but it is also in bad taste. He was one of us here and was one of the most vehement lore defenders against Beth's shit, but all of that got turned upside down.
    Again, it's his right to do so, but turning your back on Internet buddies whom you've known for ages is just lame. I have a sneaking suspicion that it is all connected with the fact that portion of NMA called bullshit on him and Sander back then, so he felt like we didn't want him here anymore, in this far-right GG bastard son of Stormfront of a website. Maybe he projected all of that on old Fallout too.
    But that's just a theory. Don't know, don't care anymore...
     
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  5. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Sander banned me because, yes, why? I guess I said something like "the sky is blue" and bam! Down came the banhammer. Well actually it was in the gun law -thread, he and I were debating, he wanted to hear like, the exact law or system which would fix gun problems everywhere around the planet. I was like, I don't actually care if the yanks shoot each other. Etc. Then he banned me.

    I actually corresponded with him over email and got him to unban me. In the end he was like "fine". And here I am. :)

    He was weird though, he liked American football. Tragic case of self-hating European. I mean, he has the best football in the world right next to him, ACTUAL football, not roided up black dudes in pads running into each other for five minutes.
     
  6. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Roshambo, would have punished you simply for beeing you.

    But I never understood, what people expected. You poke a Deathclaw. You get hurt. Kinda common knowledge.

    Per, being a friendly lizard, was the kind one.
     
  7. BigGuyCIA

    BigGuyCIA Yer fond of me Lobster!

    Oct 26, 2016
    Sad.
     
  8. zegh8578

    zegh8578 Keeper of the trout Orderite

    Mar 11, 2012
    Aren't you a SCIENTIST? Use SCIENCE!!!
     
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  9. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
    Admin

    May 27, 2004
    I was more thinking about the act (a kick to the nuts) rather than the person. But as for Roshambo, he could ban people for weirdly specific & not entirely meaningful reasons, but I don't remember him ever banning anyone without cause.
    He didn't put up with fools though, that's for sure.

    I do miss Sander. He was a nice guy. Pretty smart too.
    In the end he sadly failed to separate his own personal opinion and his moderator duties. He thought he was doing it for the greater good though. We all know how that goes...

    “Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
    - C.S. Lewis
     
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  10. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Half-way Through My Half-life

    Nov 26, 2007
    That is quite possibly my #1 favorite quote.
     
  11. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    C.S. Lewis was a religious kook so, yea. Have at it.
     
  12. torahhh

    torahhh First time out of the vault

    3
    Jan 1, 2019
    Turns out we're all secretly nazis that all like post-apocalyptic games and media.
     
  13. Gizmojunk

    Gizmojunk Half-way Through My Half-life

    Nov 26, 2007
    Truth is truth...
     
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  14. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
    Admin

    May 27, 2004
    You don't need to have a cat named Niggerman to enjoy reading H.P. Lovecraft.
    C.S. Lewis being a religious kook or not hardly changes the value of that quote.
     
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  15. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Level 27 Wizard Staff Member Moderator

    Apr 1, 2005
    Scalper is just raving off the chain. Reminds me of this guy...

     
  16. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    I can quote/say stuff from that movie. Not Renfield though, I mostly quote Gary Oldman's Dracula. I got that east European pronunciation down.

    Some of this stuff, haha.
     
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