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UniversalWolf said:
Yamu said:
I'm sorry, but I've tried, I really have, and I just can't be as jaded and cynical about this film as I apparently should be. I like fantasy. I like epic visuals. I like futuristic miltech, I like worlds-collide settings, and I can't understand how anything that brings all these things together could be so widely met with such tepid regard.
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Avatar could have everything you just mentioned liking and still suck.

To be good it needs great writing, great acting, great directing, great music, great editing, and a story that involves the viewer on both an intellectual and an emotional level. If it looks spectacular too, that's icing on the cake; but the icing is not the cake itself.

I hope Avatar is as good as you want it to be, but if it doesn't have the things I just mentioned it will be a lump of crap clothed in a bright, shiny, 200-million-dollar cellophane candy wrapper.
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^ what this guys said.

I also like everything you mentioned, Yamu. but there's nothing stopping this film from being utter total crap. I can already tell that it's gonna be really cheesy and shock full of clichés.
 
aenemic said:
UniversalWolf said:
Yamu said:
I'm sorry, but I've tried, I really have, and I just can't be as jaded and cynical about this film as I apparently should be. I like fantasy. I like epic visuals. I like futuristic miltech, I like worlds-collide settings, and I can't understand how anything that brings all these things together could be so widely met with such tepid regard.
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Avatar could have everything you just mentioned liking and still suck.

To be good it needs great writing, great acting, great directing, great music, great editing, and a story that involves the viewer on both an intellectual and an emotional level. If it looks spectacular too, that's icing on the cake; but the icing is not the cake itself.

I hope Avatar is as good as you want it to be, but if it doesn't have the things I just mentioned it will be a lump of crap clothed in a bright, shiny, 200-million-dollar cellophane candy wrapper.
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^ what this guys said.

I also like everything you mentioned, Yamu. but there's nothing stopping this film from being utter total crap. I can already tell that it's gonna be really cheesy and shock full of clichés.
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In with Yamu on this one, I don't see much of a problem with the elves and all that. CGI didn't bother me that much either.

What stops this movie being total crap is the fact its being made by the same guy behind Terminator, Aliens (FUCKING ALIENS MAN C'MON!) and The Abyss. Sure, everybody loves to hate Titanic but c'mon the visuals back then were amazing.

It could be another really good movie or simply not live up to its budget, but I doubt it will be ''utter crap''.
 
I agree that Cameron's involvement makes me a bit more hopeful than I would be otherwise. I don't love his movies, but I don't think they're bad, and they tend to be consistently more interesting than most.

I'm ignoring all press on Avatar because I plan to go see it.
 
Yea, I can't vouch for it being a great movie but I can guarantee that it won't be utter crap. This is James Cameron we're talking about.


EDIT (to avoid double post): First impressions are in and it's looking good.
 
I never read reviews of movies I plan to see, but I noticed that Roger Ebert gave Avatar four stars (his highest rating) and I couldn't help but notice the first line of the review:

Roger Ebert said:
Watching "Avatar," I felt sort of the same as when I saw "Star Wars" in 1977.
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Hmm...I'll have to read the rest after I see the movie.
 
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/11/ff_avatar_movie/

A interesting look at the technology behind the movie. Hm.., would this affect the gaming industry as well? There is a blip that says RE5 uses some of this technology to make its action cut scenes.

There is also another article in the same month about Cameron's career, and it's a good read. JC said he started movies because he wanted to out lucas, lucas. :P
 
I still feel like the blue elves belong more in a fully 3D-animated movie but I think the movie will kick ass.
 
maximaz said:
I still feel like the blue elves belong more in a fully 3D-animated movie but I think the movie will kick ass.
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Well, I certainly hope you're right. If things work out as I hope I may go see it on Friday. It's almost three hours long, which is a bit of a pain as far as scheduling time to see it. Also, if it sucks it's going to suck for three hours. Bleh. :)
 
actualy the effects cameron is using doesnt interest me that much.

Its more the content. I mean from what I have heard so far its all just generic standart with the poor tribe against the evil corporation thing. So it might be just "generic content" but with "awesome effects". Meh.

Could have moved in a different direction for a change at least. But I have not seen the movie yet so maybe there is more in it then one might think. Wait and see I guess.
 
Humans are bad and evil, especially the humans with guns from america. When they find a warming green planet (this is where i get puzzled, since i thought nature didnt like heat) with some naquada, they decide to go ape-shit on the poor indigenous tribals, but love and justice makes them fail at the end.

there, just saved u all a trip.
 
I hate the whole, "Humans, especially Americans= Bastards" thing. I doubt the universe would care if we Americans moved a tribe of cat elves from their damn tree to get some damn super fuel to solve power problems on Earth. Oh well, I'll watch it because there's a robot with a bayonet on it's gun and a lizard horse.
 
Anyone actually see this yet? Not that I'm really all that interested, it's just that people are making this movie into a big deal.
 
Well, apparently the reactions are quite different depending on whether or not if you get to watch it in a proper 3D theater.
 
Zeal said:
Humans are bad and evil, especially the humans with guns from america. When they find a warming green planet (this is where i get puzzled, since i thought nature didnt like heat) with some naquada, they decide to go ape-shit on the poor indigenous tribals, but love and justice makes them fail at the end.

there, just saved u all a trip.
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I figured as much, do the Marines at least get a pretty good Kill/Death ratio during the movie? I might watch it if there is a fair amount of Blue Elf genocide.
 
Movie sucks. The story is fucking bullshit White Man's Burden crap. I had to go through 3 hours of this anti-military, anti-corporate, and pro-environment shit. At least the CGI was good.
 
Oh, then good-military, good corporate scums and anti-enviroment shit would be better?

If you don't like it, it means it's not your favourite piece of a pie.
 
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