Bethesda and the Star Trek fans

So now, where are the morons defending Bethesda?
Where are the "let's wait and see" and the "Bethesda is a good company and will make a game for the Fallout fans" morons?

Crawled back to a corner sucking on their Oblivion box?
 
Hey all :)

Yeah, Bethesda has blacklisted my site...to be honest with Bethesda's reputation i was half expecting them to do it.

The biggest problem for Bethesda (and the entire Star Trek gaming teir 1 fan sites) was that out of the 3 or 4 major trek gaming sites the biggest of them was the ONLY site which had the balls to stand up and say in it's podcast and on the forums that Legacy was a complete disaster. The other major gaming sites didnt have their admins post it as news on the front page of the other sites and this is the inherent problem with the Star Trek gaming franchise. Too many site admins are too willing to accept any old half coded peice of junk that it thrown onto the shelfs.

Star Trek Gamers as a site gets about 200,000 hits a day. The podcast which we present (The Argus Array) gets about 150,000+ downloads per episode and got itself on the featured list in PC Gaming a few times on ITunes. It was the podcast that got Bethesda worried. Bethesda had the cheek to say that any podcast posted on their site had to fall under THEIR RULES?!. I'm sorry, Bethesda aint paying a cent of the costs a month for the 3 dedicated servers it takes to run the STG and the podcasts. Infact we've done more work for them than their entire useless "PR Staff".

I finally broke and took Legacy for what it is, a poor port of a shoddilly made XBOX360 game made by a 2nd class developer and passed by a 3rd rate publisher.

I've been down this road before. The last time my site got blackballed it was by Activision when they ruled trek gaming in 2001. I called them out since they lied about the games theywere going to make. Interesting to note that when Activision blackballed the old version of the Star Trek Gamers site they were ultimately forced to back down and this was a company 4 times the size of Bethesda against a site less than an eighth the size and hits of the STG. I heard that Activision and Paramount was in a shouting match with regards to what they should do about STG.

It's now 6 years later, Star Trek gaming as a franchise is still recovering from the Paramount/Activision lawsuit of 2003 and once again STG and myself are faced with a publisher who is slapping the gaming base in the face with a second rate ported game from a last gen console, and the scary thing is they are expecting us to like it....

...not even Activision made that mistake...and Activision were ultimately driven out of the franchise by the same fans that Bethesda are blackballing right now.

I think Bethesda have yet to realise just how powerfull some of the gaming sites actually are. They can make or break future games much more than the general coverage PC Gaming magazines can since without the base of core players buying the game and giving Bethesda and any company a definite income they will have to solely rely on the casual player for the income, and theres no guaruntee when it comes to that section of the market.
 
Agree on pretty much everything.


Off topic do you know we have a few developers from Star Trek games from the mid 90's on our member list?
 
DirtyDreamDesigner said:
Hey, Victor1st, welcome. Good to see a rep of the Trek fanbase here.
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Had to nip over, im visiting some of the sites who have linked to the news topic in the STG's forums. Some of the things im reading from places like this is interesting :)
 
ScottE said:
As for Trek jokes, yes I was a big Trek fan and that was one of the reasons I was hired at IP back in 1991. They were working on Star Trek 25th and wanted someone familiar with the license to help them test it. After doing that I got promoted to designer on the CD-ROM version and then associate producer on Judgment Rites. So yes, I've heard them all! Back in the days before everyone was on the Internet and you actually called BBS's with a phone from your Apple II on an AppleCat modem I was known by the handle "Chief Engineer". Becky Heineman ran a BBS called the Electric Warehouse and gave me that handle. This would have been around the late 80's. Yes, I'm getting old. Smile
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We have a few others, one works with Scott Everts on a personal venture they have in their free time.
 
Would be interesting to see what they think ofthe state of the franchise that took Interplay 4 years to build and Activision 6 months to wreck...LOL
 
hey Victor1st i saw your kind lying dead next to some freaky but broken spaceship somewhere in the desert. You don't know why your friends crashed there, do you? Must have been around 2244ad :D
 
Hello people,

A bit off topic but I thought that a Fallout crossover with Star Trek was quite possible, in ST after all there was a nuclear war before humanity gained it sense and started to focus on space exploration.

In my take the crew of Pike's Enterprise (give the man some chance to shine) arrive by accident in the Fallout universe, in Earth's orbit, differences are that in this universe the guy who invented the Warp drive never got the backing of any government to do so (Enclave would probably see him as a dirty 'mutie')

In order to return to their own universe they have to create the possibility for a Federation to arise in this universe, so the crew has to go down, face supermutants and meet the Brotherhood of Steel.

Please don't attack me on this, it was only a fan fic idea I made on a boring Friday evening :D
 
Victor1st said:
Bethesda had the cheek to say that any podcast posted on their site had to fall under THEIR RULES?!. I'm sorry, Bethesda aint paying a cent of the costs a month for the 3 dedicated servers it takes to run the STG and the podcasts. Infact we've done more work for them than their entire useless "PR Staff".
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Don't you know that Auntie Beth rules the internet?
Beware of criticism against her shitty products.
In Bethesda's eyes everyone who rates below 90 points is an enemy of the corporation.
And you dare to give lousy 71 points to the glorious Legacy!
Wait until dark, when Uncle Pete comes home...

I feel it's time to open fire at Beth from all directions.
 
The Star Trek fan base is much of niche in the gaming community, and the devs. and publishers need to understand that.

If they (as bethsoft and mad doc) seem to think that they can expand the fanbase by 'dumbing' down the star trek games, and by making them appeal (more) to the 'console kiddies' they are - oh so wrong.'

The gaming communities are here, and we are very vocal as to what games we would like to se and support. This also goes for
the Star Trek community as well. That's not to say that we should get all we want, since maybe sometimes we do get something better than we had expected. However, I feel that especially
the Star Trek community should be listened to as the market for the Star Trek games is niche market.

It is NOT the console casual gamers market, but more of a fan-based market. The people who really like Star Trek are the ones buying the games, ANand it is this market that Bethsoft and Mad Doc need to cater, not the casual market.

However, 90% of a potential market of 200,000 people is still a pretty big share.
 
Kharn said:
taxacaria said:
I feel it's time to open fire at Beth from all directions.
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You feel wrong. It's not. Seriously.
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I guess I understand why it's not... :? Let them lower their shields and turn off their electromagnetic armor and the let us fire at them with EMP and Gauss Auto-Cannons :twisted:

In other words, let them start releasing some stuff about Fallout 3. It shouldn't be long... :twisted:
 
Morbus said:
In other words, let them start releasing some stuff about Fallout 3. It shouldn't be long... :twisted:
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If you wait 'til some stuff is released, it's too late to correct major crimes like realtime, ego view etc because of the developement progress.
All you can do then is to complain about the shit they've delivered.
That's not my intension.
Let's see if there comes a reaction from Bethesda - I'm sure someone there will read the glittering gems...
But this reaction should come very soon.
 
taxacaria said:
If you wait 'til some stuff is released, it's too late to correct major crimes like realtime, ego view etc because of the developement progress.
All you can do then is to complain about the shit they've delivered.
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We can also not buy it, steal it, smash it in their faces, but in the end it's all about complaining, right? :? Well, then i didn't understand why it's not time to fire... :?

Bethesda won't listen to us anyway, but their potencial costumers may listen, and we may be able to screw them, and rid the planet of yet another asshole publisher?
 
Taxacaria, Bethesda is already far enough that complaints won't change anything. You'll never gather enough momentum to make a difference now, before any facts are known.

Once they announce anything, the gathered momentum can make a different easier than it could now.
 
Then I was right :) Let us wait. In the meanwhile, though, nothing keeps us from shouting some disapproving sentences here and there xD
 
Morbus said:
Then I was right :) Let us wait. In the meanwhile, though, nothing keeps us from shouting some disapproving sentences here and there xD
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Of course not. Just don't pretend we know what will happen to Fallout 3 already.

I mean; maybe we do, maybe we don't, be if we base arguments on spurious facts, we will look half-arsed anyway, and be marginalized way too easily.
 
Kharn said:
I mean; maybe we do, maybe we don't, be if we base arguments on spurious facts, we will look half-arsed anyway, and be marginalized way too easily.
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hm - half-arsed and satisfied with the game isn't too shabby... :lol:

maybe you're right
fishing for a dementi will not work properly - Pete is too clever
 
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