Bethesda and the Star Trek fans

A shame Kotario's away, for some reason, I think he'd fit for that role perfectly.
 
Silencer said:
I'm having a veja du.

You know. When you see something happen and know it will happen again :D
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Better a veja du than a deja vu. You're ready for what's coming! :P
 
Both Mr Derek Chester (co-writer of the story line) and Mr Eric Krasnauskas of MadDoc both said they liked the PC version with the XBOX360 controller plugged in. The warnings were already their at the start, no one in the community, not even us seen it, the game was basically a port FROM the 360 TO the PC...
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When you dig into the "options" of the game you immediately notice that all the standard features which any respecting game developer would include for a PC game is missing. Little to no control over the video settings, little to no control over the sound settings and by far the biggest tell tale sign that this is infact a ported XBOX360 game? NO USER CONFIGURABLE CONTROLS FOR THE PC VERSION!

Not only are you locked in with the keyboard controls, you are immediately hampered with the non configurable system which is why in the early podcasts both Eric and Derek said that the XBOX360 controller is a much better option.

The game itself plays just fine on this PC although it is seen by a few people and now confirmed that the PC version has infact dumbed down graphics compared to the XBOX360 version
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These quotes from the review of ST:Legacy confirms what Beth 'does best', fuck the PC gamer for the Console. I think ALL Fallout fans should expect an extreme boning by Bethesda when they turn Fallout into another console shooter ported to the PC. :evil:

The STG site was boned just like NMA. Maybe an Admin here should contact an admin there to let them know of our fears that Beth is going to bone the FO community like they did the ST community and that they are not alone in their struggle for a good game.




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I...dont believe this.

I mean there's actually another fandom that not only cares about the quality of their games in reverence, but is willing to stand up and speak to a company like that? Honestly I think I'm about to cry.

With happiness! Though I hardly played any of the games I've heard some are quite good and I'd play even if they were decent since I also happen to love Star Trek. Even if it is a coincedental sameness between us and the Star Trek fandom I'm glad were so alike.

Live long and prosper my federation friends.

Sincerely,
The Vault Dweller
 
I pretty much liked the first two Classic Series (that's TOS) Interplay made for the PC, they really caught the atmosphere of the show.

It was very exciting to hear when Interplay mentioned "Secret of Vulcan Fury", that is where some of the problems started.
I believe the project started several times from start after the higher ups were not happy of how it turned out. (the first concept was Myst like)

In the end I think the losses had become so big they used the remaining resources to make one of the worst Trek games ever; Star Trek Pinball.

Star Trek Bridge Commander was also very good, even though it wasn't really a 'captain' simulator.
 
This is ridiculous behavior! It's obvious that a ST game should be targeted to ST fans, I don't think many people who haven't seen the series and movies or aren't interested in them would buy a ST game. Now ignoring the fans and blackballing them surely kills their chances for good sales concerning the game. Altho if the game deserves the trashing it's getting, no one is buying the game anyway. Perhaps Bethesda should have listened to the fans in the first place and create a quality game? And something's telling me the same is going to happen with Fallout fans too :evil:
 
If you want to know how Mad Doc fucked-up the ST, here's some review from PC Gamer editor (US edition), Dan Stapleton in the March 2007 edition (He's a trekkie) Some words have been modified so I don't get my ass sued :lol: :

"The entire game is based on simplified ship-to-ship combat. By simplified, I mean that ships have only one shield surrounding the entire vessel instead of 4-6 smaller shields that independently protect against attacks coming from different angles (like most of the Trek space-combat games)" which means player has to worry only about enemy in his ship's phaser and photon torpedo targeting arcs, removing 90 percent of the skill factor of being starship captain and reduces gameplay to a PURE SLUGFEST"

"The PC version's control scheme suffers horribly, as a result of this, much of what should be easy easy to do with a mouse-keyboard combination in a strategy game (such as hand selecting units and giving precise orders) is lost."

"Worst yet, Legacy's save game system is so bad you can only save between missions and only 1 slot is given"

In short, Mad Doc has made a game that appeals console-noobs rather than focusing on ST fans.
 
"Simplifying" seems to be the hot stuff nowadays :roll:

I'm so pissed off right now.
 
globbi said:
This news is got to be on some major gaming sites :evil:
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It's not, is it? :( Well, I tried and gave my small contribute, in the site i lead... :? It's not only a problem of Trekers, not even a problem of both Trekers and Fallout fans, it's a problem that SHOULD concern the entire gaming community. I vote for electric chair for Beth. Waddayasay? :twisted:

The post, in portuguese, can be found here but it doesn't bring anything new to NMA or anyone else. It's just my contribute to spread the word.

I'll also post in other places, but, unfortunately, always .pt :?
 
Oblivion
Xbox design / bad pc conversion / dumbed down / simplified / asskicking old fans

ST : Legacy
Xbox design / bad pc conversion / dumbed down / simplified / asskicking old fans

Fallout 3
there's no need to look into my crystal ball, if I'm looking above I know what's coming...
:badmood:
 
I was banned and my post deleted in the oficcial Oblivion forum before the game was released, so, it's not surprising what Bethesda did.
What will happen with NMA and Fallout 3? :roll:

Bethesda sucks in this moment, and I think that they will fuck the Fallout license.
 
The difference between us and the ST fan base is that they were genuinely shocked when Bethesda and associates shafted their universe. As they said, they trusted in what Bethesda would do with the license. We're all already well aware of the ass-raping Fallout 3 may receive.
 
I have been active on the TES forums, voicing my criticism of Oblivion. I have also witnessed people with similar views to mine being banned, their threads being closed and much more.

Sadly, :( it seems, Bethesda doesn't seem to care anymore about what their (loyal) fans has to say about their games (or products or units).

Even valid criticism of Oblivion got locked or counterattacked by either the admins or the moderators of Bethesda.

I have stated in the TES forums and I will say it again here: Bethsoft needs to realize that Star Trek Fans is in a niche market. They need to cater to their niche market or they will --- probably go the way of Activision and many more game developing houses.

THis also goes, imol, for the rpg market. Maybe Bethsoft think they can do anything to this market, since Morrowind sold 4 million copies or thereabouts. What Bethsoft fails to realize, apparently, is that the succes of Oblivion lies heavily on the succes of Morrowind. And that many people probably will NOT be buying a
Bethsoft product in the years to come.

Probably none of the 200,000 viewers on the STG site will. Personally, I will want to see a review of the next full TES game, TES 5,
before I'm deciding whether or not I'm buying the game.

As an end note, I will leave you with this thougt: What if M$ decided that
*Star Trek: Legacy* should be released on XBOX 360 only, while Bethsoft fought to get the game released on PC as well. Just a thought...
 
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If NMA hasn't been black listed (yet?), I know the RPGCodex has (official excuse, there's swearing on the site). It be interesting to know if any other websites were put on the "blacklist".
 
aries369 said:
Even valid criticism of Oblivion got locked or counterattacked by either the admins or the moderators of Bethesda.
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I was looking in Beth's StarTrek forum and found that all criticism is put in a single complainer's thread - all other threads of complainers will be closed immediately. And this thread is volume IV - closed after 200 posts.
Nearly no critical discussion is possible under such circumstances.


Beth's ST board rules said:
You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use this bulletin board to post any material which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, abusive...
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and Beth is deciding what's false, what's defamatory, what's inaccurate, what's abusive etc

Alexander - mod at Beth's ST-Forum said:
On a more personal note, giving a game a bad review really isn't against the forum rules, so don't worry, we're not about to warn or ban people for not liking Startrek Legacy, nor for mentioning that they don't like it
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no, never, not at all...
 
Yes we have, Kharn can explain that better, but they did helped us out in confirming stuff for this article so we're not in a total blackout like the ST fansite or the Codex. Contrary to what was expected there wasn't much hostility against them for quite sometime, with the exception of all TeS fans that felt betrayed by them like Rosh, but after the fansites found out the oficial X-Box mag was going to have the scoop on Fallout3 before the Fallout fans things are turning into a more belligerent setting.

This ST crisis is a wake up call, that i have to agree.
 
yup

If NMA hasn't been black listed (yet?), I know the RPGCodex has (official excuse, there's swearing on the site). It be interesting to know if any other websites were put on the "blacklist".

I find this especially sad seeing as how there is swearing and much worse things in the Fallout Franchise
 
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