Bethesda and the Star Trek fans

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by Brother None, Feb 3, 2007.

  1. Wooz

    Wooz Vault Sweeper Admin Orderite

    May 18, 2003
    A shame Kotario's away, for some reason, I think he'd fit for that role perfectly.
     
  2. bonanza

    bonanza It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    May 1, 2006
    :liar: Trust us, it will be cool
     
  3. Makenshi

    Makenshi Ahoy, ye salty dogs!

    Jul 28, 2006
    Better a veja du than a deja vu. You're ready for what's coming! :P
     
  4. Thorgrimm

    Thorgrimm A Smooth-Skin

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    Dec 16, 2003

    These quotes from the review of ST:Legacy confirms what Beth 'does best', fuck the PC gamer for the Console. I think ALL Fallout fans should expect an extreme boning by Bethesda when they turn Fallout into another console shooter ported to the PC. :evil:

    The STG site was boned just like NMA. Maybe an Admin here should contact an admin there to let them know of our fears that Beth is going to bone the FO community like they did the ST community and that they are not alone in their struggle for a good game.




    Þórgrímr
     
  5. The Vault Dweller

    The Vault Dweller always looking for water.

    Aug 24, 2004
    I...dont believe this.

    I mean there's actually another fandom that not only cares about the quality of their games in reverence, but is willing to stand up and speak to a company like that? Honestly I think I'm about to cry.

    With happiness! Though I hardly played any of the games I've heard some are quite good and I'd play even if they were decent since I also happen to love Star Trek. Even if it is a coincedental sameness between us and the Star Trek fandom I'm glad were so alike.

    Live long and prosper my federation friends.

    Sincerely,
    The Vault Dweller
     
  6. The Dutch Ghost

    The Dutch Ghost Grouchy old man of NMA Moderator

    Jan 11, 2004
    I pretty much liked the first two Classic Series (that's TOS) Interplay made for the PC, they really caught the atmosphere of the show.

    It was very exciting to hear when Interplay mentioned "Secret of Vulcan Fury", that is where some of the problems started.
    I believe the project started several times from start after the higher ups were not happy of how it turned out. (the first concept was Myst like)

    In the end I think the losses had become so big they used the remaining resources to make one of the worst Trek games ever; Star Trek Pinball.

    Star Trek Bridge Commander was also very good, even though it wasn't really a 'captain' simulator.
     
  7. shokki_

    shokki_ First time out of the vault

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    Jan 24, 2006
    This is ridiculous behavior! It's obvious that a ST game should be targeted to ST fans, I don't think many people who haven't seen the series and movies or aren't interested in them would buy a ST game. Now ignoring the fans and blackballing them surely kills their chances for good sales concerning the game. Altho if the game deserves the trashing it's getting, no one is buying the game anyway. Perhaps Bethesda should have listened to the fans in the first place and create a quality game? And something's telling me the same is going to happen with Fallout fans too :evil:
     
  8. zioburosky13

    zioburosky13 Vault Senior Citizen

    Jun 24, 2004
    If you want to know how Mad Doc fucked-up the ST, here's some review from PC Gamer editor (US edition), Dan Stapleton in the March 2007 edition (He's a trekkie) Some words have been modified so I don't get my ass sued :lol: :

    "The entire game is based on simplified ship-to-ship combat. By simplified, I mean that ships have only one shield surrounding the entire vessel instead of 4-6 smaller shields that independently protect against attacks coming from different angles (like most of the Trek space-combat games)" which means player has to worry only about enemy in his ship's phaser and photon torpedo targeting arcs, removing 90 percent of the skill factor of being starship captain and reduces gameplay to a PURE SLUGFEST"

    "The PC version's control scheme suffers horribly, as a result of this, much of what should be easy easy to do with a mouse-keyboard combination in a strategy game (such as hand selecting units and giving precise orders) is lost."

    "Worst yet, Legacy's save game system is so bad you can only save between missions and only 1 slot is given"

    In short, Mad Doc has made a game that appeals console-noobs rather than focusing on ST fans.
     
  9. Angrim

    Angrim Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Aug 27, 2004
    "Simplifying" seems to be the hot stuff nowadays :roll:

    I'm so pissed off right now.
     
  10. Morbus

    Morbus Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 16, 2006
    It's not, is it? :( Well, I tried and gave my small contribute, in the site i lead... :? It's not only a problem of Trekers, not even a problem of both Trekers and Fallout fans, it's a problem that SHOULD concern the entire gaming community. I vote for electric chair for Beth. Waddayasay? :twisted:

    The post, in portuguese, can be found here but it doesn't bring anything new to NMA or anyone else. It's just my contribute to spread the word.

    I'll also post in other places, but, unfortunately, always .pt :?
     
  11. taxacaria

    taxacaria It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Dec 18, 2005
    Oblivion
    Xbox design / bad pc conversion / dumbed down / simplified / asskicking old fans

    ST : Legacy
    Xbox design / bad pc conversion / dumbed down / simplified / asskicking old fans

    Fallout 3
    there's no need to look into my crystal ball, if I'm looking above I know what's coming...
    :badmood:
     
  12. slamelov

    slamelov Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    347
    Jul 29, 2006
    I was banned and my post deleted in the oficcial Oblivion forum before the game was released, so, it's not surprising what Bethesda did.
    What will happen with NMA and Fallout 3? :roll:

    Bethesda sucks in this moment, and I think that they will fuck the Fallout license.
     
  13. mortiz

    mortiz Still Mildly Glowing

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    Aug 21, 2005
    The difference between us and the ST fan base is that they were genuinely shocked when Bethesda and associates shafted their universe. As they said, they trusted in what Bethesda would do with the license. We're all already well aware of the ass-raping Fallout 3 may receive.
     
  14. Morbus

    Morbus Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Aug 16, 2006
    I'm fighting at their boards. Come fellow NMA'ers!!! :lol:
     
  15. aries369

    aries369 Still Mildly Glowing

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    Feb 2, 2007
    I have been active on the TES forums, voicing my criticism of Oblivion. I have also witnessed people with similar views to mine being banned, their threads being closed and much more.

    Sadly, :( it seems, Bethesda doesn't seem to care anymore about what their (loyal) fans has to say about their games (or products or units).

    Even valid criticism of Oblivion got locked or counterattacked by either the admins or the moderators of Bethesda.

    I have stated in the TES forums and I will say it again here: Bethsoft needs to realize that Star Trek Fans is in a niche market. They need to cater to their niche market or they will --- probably go the way of Activision and many more game developing houses.

    THis also goes, imol, for the rpg market. Maybe Bethsoft think they can do anything to this market, since Morrowind sold 4 million copies or thereabouts. What Bethsoft fails to realize, apparently, is that the succes of Oblivion lies heavily on the succes of Morrowind. And that many people probably will NOT be buying a
    Bethsoft product in the years to come.

    Probably none of the 200,000 viewers on the STG site will. Personally, I will want to see a review of the next full TES game, TES 5,
    before I'm deciding whether or not I'm buying the game.

    As an end note, I will leave you with this thougt: What if M$ decided that
    *Star Trek: Legacy* should be released on XBOX 360 only, while Bethsoft fought to get the game released on PC as well. Just a thought...
     
  16. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
    Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Apr 3, 2003
  17. greatatlantic

    greatatlantic It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jan 29, 2005
    If NMA hasn't been black listed (yet?), I know the RPGCodex has (official excuse, there's swearing on the site). It be interesting to know if any other websites were put on the "blacklist".
     
  18. taxacaria

    taxacaria It Wandered In From the Wastes

    141
    Dec 18, 2005
    I was looking in Beth's StarTrek forum and found that all criticism is put in a single complainer's thread - all other threads of complainers will be closed immediately. And this thread is volume IV - closed after 200 posts.
    Nearly no critical discussion is possible under such circumstances.


    and Beth is deciding what's false, what's defamatory, what's inaccurate, what's abusive etc

    no, never, not at all...
     
  19. Briosafreak

    Briosafreak Lived Through the Heat Death

    Dec 18, 2003
    Yes we have, Kharn can explain that better, but they did helped us out in confirming stuff for this article so we're not in a total blackout like the ST fansite or the Codex. Contrary to what was expected there wasn't much hostility against them for quite sometime, with the exception of all TeS fans that felt betrayed by them like Rosh, but after the fansites found out the oficial X-Box mag was going to have the scoop on Fallout3 before the Fallout fans things are turning into a more belligerent setting.

    This ST crisis is a wake up call, that i have to agree.
     
  20. Goweigus

    Goweigus Mildly Dipped

    566
    Jan 18, 2007
    yup

    If NMA hasn't been black listed (yet?), I know the RPGCodex has (official excuse, there's swearing on the site). It be interesting to know if any other websites were put on the "blacklist".

    I find this especially sad seeing as how there is swearing and much worse things in the Fallout Franchise