Bethesda producer on Fallout
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Sorrow
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I bought Fallout after playing the demo because of gore. Actually, it was Fallout which got me playing cRPGs, so I think that the oryginal Fallout's formula was pretty playable for non-hardcore players.Sytxferryman said:
Glory bomb
First time out of the vault
Fallout 2 was the first RPG i played and I was 8 years old, I am also swedish and english is not my first language. But I still understood what people was saying and the S.P.E.C.I.A.L system was simple enough for me to grasp when I was 8.
It's total bullshit that you need to be a hardcore RPG player to understand and enjoy Fallout.
And yes i played with full gore. Oh the pixely horror
It's total bullshit that you need to be a hardcore RPG player to understand and enjoy Fallout.
And yes i played with full gore. Oh the pixely horror
Smoke_Jaguar
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Indeed, I was young when I played it too.
But to think that, now, being 20 years old, I AM TO FUCKING OLD FOR GAMING ? what the hell is that, fuck you ashley KA-CHING.
Anyway, what someone already said before on this thread, the people that are making F3 are definetly mainstream gamers, and their making their game as mainstream as possible.I don't know for you guys, but I outgrew consoles (Super Nintendo) at about age 10, and I still think that console audience is very young, and if not young, mostly immature.So bringing a game to consoles, fine, but not F3.
They hate us because we want a complex game, and instead of dumbing it down to suit the consoles, they dumb it down to suit pcs.
It's not fallout if you play it with a gamepad.
But to think that, now, being 20 years old, I AM TO FUCKING OLD FOR GAMING ? what the hell is that, fuck you ashley KA-CHING.
Anyway, what someone already said before on this thread, the people that are making F3 are definetly mainstream gamers, and their making their game as mainstream as possible.I don't know for you guys, but I outgrew consoles (Super Nintendo) at about age 10, and I still think that console audience is very young, and if not young, mostly immature.So bringing a game to consoles, fine, but not F3.
They hate us because we want a complex game, and instead of dumbing it down to suit the consoles, they dumb it down to suit pcs.
It's not fallout if you play it with a gamepad.
100% Agree with ya! Sexbox 360 sucks. Bethesda team obviously dont care about original Fallout fans..which in turn will be thier downfall!
Some idiots wanna do the same to Shadowrun and present it to Microsoft for some idiot reason not gonna call no names though!
Most of all I really dont want to share these forums with newbie bandwagon console dorks who dont know shit about FO1&2 and who just so happened to buy FO3 because it was the new Sexbox game on the shelf!
Some idiots wanna do the same to Shadowrun and present it to Microsoft for some idiot reason not gonna call no names though!
Most of all I really dont want to share these forums with newbie bandwagon console dorks who dont know shit about FO1&2 and who just so happened to buy FO3 because it was the new Sexbox game on the shelf!
Violence & Gore....I think this is our last hope for that
Don't break the board - Jabberwocky
AFTERFALL.....AFTERFALL.....AFTERFALL...AFTERFALL
Seriously guys open your eyes..no it may not be a Fallout title ...but taleast the Afterfall devs know what us hardcore gamers want and are trying to forfill our wishes! I think this will be even better than Fallout!
Guys have been ranting and ranting about F03...why?
How long has it been since F02?
How many actual features have we seen of this F03 project...nada?
Does BethSoft even wanna here what we want in FO3?...NO
Will we even see anything as cruel and hardcore as the pic above in FO3? I highly doubt
...remember guys BethSoft wants a broader gamer crowd of all ages to attract! Broader consumers=dummed down easy for everyone games....I can see it now "Fallout 3 something the whole family can enjoy..in stores now...Rated E...For Everyone"
Don't break the board - Jabberwocky
AFTERFALL.....AFTERFALL.....AFTERFALL...AFTERFALL
Seriously guys open your eyes..no it may not be a Fallout title ...but taleast the Afterfall devs know what us hardcore gamers want and are trying to forfill our wishes! I think this will be even better than Fallout!
Guys have been ranting and ranting about F03...why?
How long has it been since F02?
How many actual features have we seen of this F03 project...nada?
Does BethSoft even wanna here what we want in FO3?...NO
Will we even see anything as cruel and hardcore as the pic above in FO3? I highly doubt
...remember guys BethSoft wants a broader gamer crowd of all ages to attract! Broader consumers=dummed down easy for everyone games....I can see it now "Fallout 3 something the whole family can enjoy..in stores now...Rated E...For Everyone"
FFS
FFS people, stop the xbox bullshit, it's decent enough of a console and it has some decent enough games and there are VERY valid reasons to own one(price, online cap., many good pc games, ability to get free rentals at blockbuster), it DOES have some good rpgs(bioware) and Mass Effect is looking VERY sharpish to me, so I don't see anything wrong with fo3 being on an xbox. Now I bought both fo1 and 2 the day I was able to find them back home in RF many years ago, and I was here, reading these boards the day VB was canned, and I cried, and I don't think I'll ever see the same gameplay in a FO game, but thiat is mainly because IT'S NOT 1998 anymore and at our time isometric turn based is not gonna cut it, especially for a big buck company as bethesda. HOWEVER I DO think that it is possible to carry FO universe over into 2000's in a decent manner, with dark, gritty, post apocolyptic athomsphere and I don't care what type of a game it is(fps, rpg, adventure etc) as long as it gives me the same shivers down my spine as original games did.
I'm not gonna judge anything untill i see it and i'm an optimistic one, but shit like "it's not FO if it's on xbox/ w controller/ not isometric etc" pisses me off. I thought KOTOR was GREAT, especially second one(it was a bit falloutish at times), I enjoyed Jade Empire, I'm drooling over ME, so if Bioware and Obsidian can do it, everyone else can too.
so ffs stop this shit, there's plenty of good stuff coming our way(stalker, bioshock(i'll be playing it on xbox), ME ), at least a lot more than in the past 10 years with all that fantasy crap all over
FFS people, stop the xbox bullshit, it's decent enough of a console and it has some decent enough games and there are VERY valid reasons to own one(price, online cap., many good pc games, ability to get free rentals at blockbuster), it DOES have some good rpgs(bioware) and Mass Effect is looking VERY sharpish to me, so I don't see anything wrong with fo3 being on an xbox. Now I bought both fo1 and 2 the day I was able to find them back home in RF many years ago, and I was here, reading these boards the day VB was canned, and I cried, and I don't think I'll ever see the same gameplay in a FO game, but thiat is mainly because IT'S NOT 1998 anymore and at our time isometric turn based is not gonna cut it, especially for a big buck company as bethesda. HOWEVER I DO think that it is possible to carry FO universe over into 2000's in a decent manner, with dark, gritty, post apocolyptic athomsphere and I don't care what type of a game it is(fps, rpg, adventure etc) as long as it gives me the same shivers down my spine as original games did.
I'm not gonna judge anything untill i see it and i'm an optimistic one, but shit like "it's not FO if it's on xbox/ w controller/ not isometric etc" pisses me off. I thought KOTOR was GREAT, especially second one(it was a bit falloutish at times), I enjoyed Jade Empire, I'm drooling over ME, so if Bioware and Obsidian can do it, everyone else can too.
so ffs stop this shit, there's plenty of good stuff coming our way(stalker, bioshock(i'll be playing it on xbox), ME ), at least a lot more than in the past 10 years with all that fantasy crap all over
I'd have to agree with Incognito here. I think we all know that doing the same formula all over again, only with real time 3D, won't cut it today. It would please the fans, but not bring in the big bucks for Bethesda. You can still get a great Fallout game if they keep the essentials (setting, dark humor, violence, gritty design, tactical combat). The tactical combat part may even be gone, but if the world is kept in canon, it will be interesting to explore 
Bradylama
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
What the fuck ever.
That aside, though, saying things like crapbox is indicative of the primitive tribalism that will someday destroy us all. It's just a platform, don't be morons.
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
We don't work for Bethesda, so we really don't care about their finances, we care about the games and the enjoyment we can have with them. Please all of you stop with the "making money" argument, we're volunteers here, money isn't our prime concern, the game is.
I wish all the success and money for the Bethesda people, but first and foremost I wish I can have a good game, that's why we hang around here, because of the games and not because of the financial projections of a company that we don't work for.
Re: FFS
Aside from that, there have been several recent succesful 'isometric', turn-based games, such as Silent Storm 2. It isn't outdated, that's a crock of shit. Yes, that would cut it. It would actually promote the game for many different groups of people.
For fuck's sake, man, neither had much to do with Fallout's *real* design, which *does* include turn-based an isometric.
Do you know why that is so essential? SPECIAL was built for turn-based, that's what it's balanced for, and transposing that to real-time is extremely improbable and unbalancing. Turn-based also relies heavily on isometric, which is what the viewpoint is pretty much meant for (that, and the P&P feel). Tampering with any of those elements *always* affects the others.
Other than that, the X-Box *does* place limits on game design, because of its extremely limited controller and the (perceived) target audience.
Because? See, people keep repeating this bullshit, like isometric and turn-based existed because of limited resources that are available now. Bullshit, because both were used for other reasons. Isometric was invented later than the first-person perspective, and was specifically invented for games such as Fallout.Incognito said:
Aside from that, there have been several recent succesful 'isometric', turn-based games, such as Silent Storm 2. It isn't outdated, that's a crock of shit. Yes, that would cut it. It would actually promote the game for many different groups of people.
Ahahahahaha!Incognito said:
For fuck's sake, man, neither had much to do with Fallout's *real* design, which *does* include turn-based an isometric.
Do you know why that is so essential? SPECIAL was built for turn-based, that's what it's balanced for, and transposing that to real-time is extremely improbable and unbalancing. Turn-based also relies heavily on isometric, which is what the viewpoint is pretty much meant for (that, and the P&P feel). Tampering with any of those elements *always* affects the others.
Other than that, the X-Box *does* place limits on game design, because of its extremely limited controller and the (perceived) target audience.
zioburosky13
Vault Senior Citizen
*summon Roshambo*
*summoning failed*
Look kid, how will you feel when some jerk take your favorite game franchise, turn it into a Piece-Of-Shit, half-baked, assfucked game like Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel?
Bethesda has absolutely, no experience of making a turn-based game. It's not like we don't give them a chance but they "might" not do it given who's the game project producer.
Things they 'might' not put in FO3:
*turn-based combat*
*Isometric-view*
*verbose dialogue*
*multiple choice & consequence gameplay*
Which are what make Fallout a trutly unique and memorable game.
*summoning failed*
Look kid, how will you feel when some jerk take your favorite game franchise, turn it into a Piece-Of-Shit, half-baked, assfucked game like Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel?
Bethesda has absolutely, no experience of making a turn-based game. It's not like we don't give them a chance but they "might" not do it given who's the game project producer.
Things they 'might' not put in FO3:
*turn-based combat*
*Isometric-view*
*verbose dialogue*
*multiple choice & consequence gameplay*
Which are what make Fallout a trutly unique and memorable game.
Gnol said:
*snurk*
Funny, people commenting that have no idea what's going on.
Yeah, it's all our own fault for being so mean. Bethesda has totally given us a fair chance with open dialogue. It's not like we're, y'know, blacklisted or anything.
personally i wouldnt care about iso or tb if i knew they would be able to deliver in terms of depth, quality and variety and open-ness : but seeing oblivion i'm quite sure they can't .. its just gonna be fedex bashing autoleveld critters that wont ever feel like a threat and why talk, get immersed or read when a compas is pointing to teh dungeon/objective... bah!
on a sidenote heh i first played fallout when i was 13 .. i remember being annoyed that the character creator had a limit minimum age of 16... fun stuff
on a sidenote heh i first played fallout when i was 13 .. i remember being annoyed that the character creator had a limit minimum age of 16... fun stuff
To Jabberwocky: And why do you think that is? Because NMA has given everybody that wasn't on the original team a fair chance? Because people like Roshambo have been so very nice to them?
Look, I'm not saying NMA should turn into another Blizzard-Fansite-like suckfest, but look at this thread: Even when something seriously positive is said about FO3, Bethesda gets flamed by some. And not every console/PC hybrid game has to be a Deus Ex 2.
If you were a developer, would you talk about your upcoming game with a site that's going to treat you nicely (which doesn't equal sucking up to you), or with a site whose members are frothing at the mouth at anything you say, and which you can't please either way just because you are not somebody else?
[EDIT: Added "To Jabberwocky:"]
Look, I'm not saying NMA should turn into another Blizzard-Fansite-like suckfest, but look at this thread: Even when something seriously positive is said about FO3, Bethesda gets flamed by some. And not every console/PC hybrid game has to be a Deus Ex 2.
If you were a developer, would you talk about your upcoming game with a site that's going to treat you nicely (which doesn't equal sucking up to you), or with a site whose members are frothing at the mouth at anything you say, and which you can't please either way just because you are not somebody else?
[EDIT: Added "To Jabberwocky:"]
Gnol said:
I don't know, they never gave it the chance to be nice or not, fair or not before blacklisting us.
Gnol said:
Sorry? Nobody said anything about Fallout 3. Did you even read the newspost?
Gnol said:
No, but it is the modus operandi of hybrids.
Gnol said:
If I were a developer I'd be worried about finding out whether site is actually that or whether that's just bullshit.
Question, were you around during Van Buren? Tactics? Do you know how much of a change we gave them, even Tactics? The whole "you'll never give them a fair chance"-line is bullshit and anti-Fallout fan propaganda. We give people a chance who show that they deserve it.
THE BIG SHINY
THE BIG SHINY
Briosafreak:
Consider the concept of the 'Big Tent', consider allowing others' their own, real life's experiences.
It's not only about entertainment.
It's not only about gaming.
I think we a can all agree to differ about many topics, many -- icons -- of entertainment.
If we can 'get' how we might disagree about what an rpg is, and how we might imagine a FO rpg could be, then we as consumers would be better off.
----------- Not the dupes of the game corporations and their quarterly pursuit of THE BIG SHINY. ---------------------
I see divide and conquer daily at work, ... i see divide and conquer in my country's politics, ...
Can you conceive of the strategy of divide and conquer in marketing computer game entertainment?
The game industry is going it's own way.
Just like any consumer commodity extruder,
THE POOPERS OF NON ETIBLE PRODUCTS, sneakers, jeans, music, the f'ing number of CUP HOLDERS in a motor vehicle,
are chasing the age demographic, and what they ''think'' will sell to that faceless dehumanized need for GREED.
What you or I see as what a FO game could be, and most importantly what a RPG game could be, is at RISK, .... falling into that mythic marxist 'dust bin' of history.
The Eric Blair. the George Orwellian reality of double speak, and thought control is forever with us. There is a conscious effort to shape our thoughts, govern our thinking, and control our computer game purchases. All those consumers that talk the talk of the finances of corporations are doomed to walk the same path to mind control as the children that chase the big shiny.
What ''they'' command to you, what ''they''' brow beat you, bully you into believing a rpg is, what a FO is .... IS millions of dollars and millions of consumers in their pockets.
'Finances' ... money ... becomes more important than a 'good' game.
For all these millions of dollars and millions of co-opted groupies, we are still ... not going to see, even the promise of an rpg or a FO as we might imagine such a computer game could be.
WE'LL HAVE TO BE CONTENT WITH , another' interpretation, that conforms to the finances of .... the big shiny.
Call them when they lie, do not go quietly .... and ...
It's all in the hands of THE BIG SHINY.
Money talks and reality walks ....
OK for you --- business majors, Adam Smith Juniors, market utopians, it appears OK, ... corporate finances as THE pinnacle of game design , . please ... corporate finances is the ''best'' argument for mediocrity ?????
It's all in the hands of THE BIG SHINY.
Money talks and reality walks .... business majors, Adam Smith Juniors, market utopians, ...
BUT it's NOT A FREE MARKET!
Because ....
They Lie.
Bethesda Softworks and the corporate game media demands YOU obey their dictate of what an RPG is, and what a FO game could be.
Their interpretation is not enough, their Action RPG style is not enough ''comfort'' for their quarterly finances.
For their quarterly acceleration of profit, they must lie. and Command you to kneel to their definition of RPG and FO.
When Bethesda is more important than YOU, your ideals die.
Be your own person, for when you die, ---- you die --- , Bethesda will not feel the pain, it's YOUR LIFE, your pain, not Bethesda's ...
""War never changes."'
The ''war'' for ideas, and ideals, never changes ... Be your own icon of heroic struggle against the forces of conformity , .... and financing ...
They Lie.
Bethesda Softworks manufactures ACTION RPG'S THAT SELL MILLIONS!!!!
Bethesda makes money. Why worry about Beth?
They don't NEED to lie, yet they do .... LIE. Lie to maximize their financial return.
What does that convey of their integrity.
If they lie about what a rpg is, THEY WILL NEVER stop to LIE about the quality of their ''rpg''.
And, we know the game companies LIE about the bugs, the QUALITY OF THEIR COMPUTER PRODUCTS,
Each bug is a spit in your face
Swallow the spit or strike back at the insult,
I don't care, just understand that a war of ideals continues.
Swallow the insult of their spit or ... not buy the buggy, mediocre, lowest common denominator, soft ware,
i don't care.. it's your face, and your life.
If Bethesda's millions are more important to you than a good game, so be it.
Jump on the Nex Gen bandwagon, it's all about 'bread and circuses', and those who die with the most toys ...
Meanwhile in the real world, ....
the 'class' war has never ended.
The corporate AND POLITICAL ELITE exploit and will pull our chains, lie, and send our brothers and sisters to real wars of death or dismemberment, ... for their gain and our loss.
But finances, money, corporate lies are more important ..
.. worship the stock market much?
This 'class' war is THE war of consumers against the lies of the BIG SHINY, ...
both economic and political.
Think about it.
The classic Roman warning still applies, it is our ETERNAL world wide cultural heritage,
Let The Buyer Beware.
caveat emptor
Briosafreak:
I keep tripping over the politics of consumer manipulation. What are you Nex Gen wanna bees TRIPPING on?
Briosafreak may be closer to the raw truth of the issue, it's all about FO 3 being ''a good game''.
Which side are you on?
Let The Buyer Beware.
caveat emptor
4too
THE BIG SHINY
Briosafreak:
Consider the concept of the 'Big Tent', consider allowing others' their own, real life's experiences.
It's not only about entertainment.
It's not only about gaming.
I think we a can all agree to differ about many topics, many -- icons -- of entertainment.
If we can 'get' how we might disagree about what an rpg is, and how we might imagine a FO rpg could be, then we as consumers would be better off.
----------- Not the dupes of the game corporations and their quarterly pursuit of THE BIG SHINY. ---------------------
I see divide and conquer daily at work, ... i see divide and conquer in my country's politics, ...
Can you conceive of the strategy of divide and conquer in marketing computer game entertainment?
The game industry is going it's own way.
Just like any consumer commodity extruder,
THE POOPERS OF NON ETIBLE PRODUCTS, sneakers, jeans, music, the f'ing number of CUP HOLDERS in a motor vehicle,
are chasing the age demographic, and what they ''think'' will sell to that faceless dehumanized need for GREED.
What you or I see as what a FO game could be, and most importantly what a RPG game could be, is at RISK, .... falling into that mythic marxist 'dust bin' of history.
The Eric Blair. the George Orwellian reality of double speak, and thought control is forever with us. There is a conscious effort to shape our thoughts, govern our thinking, and control our computer game purchases. All those consumers that talk the talk of the finances of corporations are doomed to walk the same path to mind control as the children that chase the big shiny.
What ''they'' command to you, what ''they''' brow beat you, bully you into believing a rpg is, what a FO is .... IS millions of dollars and millions of consumers in their pockets.
'Finances' ... money ... becomes more important than a 'good' game.
For all these millions of dollars and millions of co-opted groupies, we are still ... not going to see, even the promise of an rpg or a FO as we might imagine such a computer game could be.
WE'LL HAVE TO BE CONTENT WITH , another' interpretation, that conforms to the finances of .... the big shiny.
Call them when they lie, do not go quietly .... and ...
It's all in the hands of THE BIG SHINY.
Money talks and reality walks ....
OK for you --- business majors, Adam Smith Juniors, market utopians, it appears OK, ... corporate finances as THE pinnacle of game design , . please ... corporate finances is the ''best'' argument for mediocrity ?????
It's all in the hands of THE BIG SHINY.
Money talks and reality walks .... business majors, Adam Smith Juniors, market utopians, ...
BUT it's NOT A FREE MARKET!
Because ....
They Lie.
Bethesda Softworks and the corporate game media demands YOU obey their dictate of what an RPG is, and what a FO game could be.
Their interpretation is not enough, their Action RPG style is not enough ''comfort'' for their quarterly finances.
For their quarterly acceleration of profit, they must lie. and Command you to kneel to their definition of RPG and FO.
When Bethesda is more important than YOU, your ideals die.
Be your own person, for when you die, ---- you die --- , Bethesda will not feel the pain, it's YOUR LIFE, your pain, not Bethesda's ...
""War never changes."'
The ''war'' for ideas, and ideals, never changes ... Be your own icon of heroic struggle against the forces of conformity , .... and financing ...
They Lie.
Bethesda Softworks manufactures ACTION RPG'S THAT SELL MILLIONS!!!!
Bethesda makes money. Why worry about Beth?
They don't NEED to lie, yet they do .... LIE. Lie to maximize their financial return.
What does that convey of their integrity.
If they lie about what a rpg is, THEY WILL NEVER stop to LIE about the quality of their ''rpg''.
And, we know the game companies LIE about the bugs, the QUALITY OF THEIR COMPUTER PRODUCTS,
Each bug is a spit in your face
Swallow the spit or strike back at the insult,
I don't care, just understand that a war of ideals continues.
Swallow the insult of their spit or ... not buy the buggy, mediocre, lowest common denominator, soft ware,
i don't care.. it's your face, and your life.
If Bethesda's millions are more important to you than a good game, so be it.
Jump on the Nex Gen bandwagon, it's all about 'bread and circuses', and those who die with the most toys ...
Meanwhile in the real world, ....
the 'class' war has never ended.
The corporate AND POLITICAL ELITE exploit and will pull our chains, lie, and send our brothers and sisters to real wars of death or dismemberment, ... for their gain and our loss.
But finances, money, corporate lies are more important ..
.. worship the stock market much?
This 'class' war is THE war of consumers against the lies of the BIG SHINY, ...
both economic and political.
Think about it.
The classic Roman warning still applies, it is our ETERNAL world wide cultural heritage,
Let The Buyer Beware.
caveat emptor
Briosafreak:
I keep tripping over the politics of consumer manipulation. What are you Nex Gen wanna bees TRIPPING on?
Briosafreak may be closer to the raw truth of the issue, it's all about FO 3 being ''a good game''.
Which side are you on?
Let The Buyer Beware.
caveat emptor
4too
VDweller
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Re: FFS
http://rpgcodex.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=16958
http://rpgcodex.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=16999
"Mass Effect is game, not book. Talking is real. Listen, don't read!"
That's because you are a moron. For anyone else who would like to learn more about Ass Effect:Incognito said:
http://rpgcodex.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=16958
http://rpgcodex.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=16999
"Mass Effect is game, not book. Talking is real. Listen, don't read!"
No kidding
Then go play Gears of War.
Care to explain why?