Bethesda producer on Fallout

[Sinister_Messiah]

They could make Fallout 3 perfectly right and they would still complain. As long as it has Bethesda on it, they will never be happy with the result, regardless of what it may be.

I'm not sold on the bullshit you are offering.

Lower your price.

I'll reconsider.

 

[Sander]

Re: FFS

That's because you are a moron. For anyone else who would like to learn more about Ass Effect:

http://rpgcodex.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=16958
http://rpgcodex.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=16999

"Mass Effect is game, not book. Talking is real. Listen, don't read!"

Hah! Guess what I hate? Having to sit through voice-acted, boring dialogue when I could read it in half the time. Voice-acting doesn't add much when it's overused, it usually restricts options.

Also, this quote is priceless:

IGN: A lot of the BioWare "flavor" is that you give choices. You make the player take the good side or the bad side or somewhere in the grey area, but it's always about making choices. How are those choices going to play into how the story is told and how the game plays?

Bwahaha!

Also:

It's really amazing how fast you learn it and then how much value it has in being able to instantly react to somebody. Your action might be as extreme as hitting them with the butt of your rifle and then when they're on the ground you tell them how things are going to go. It can be very extreme.

Yeah, hitting someone with your rifle is totally EXTREME!!! Totally more extreme than using the rifle what it's meant for. Like, you know, killing someone if you don't like their answer. Hitting someone with your rifle is where it's at!

Care to explain why?

I recently played KOTOR, this time actually completing it. I discovered it was pretty damned short, and that choices (as usual) have no consequences whatsoever, but it was somewhat fun nonetheless. It got awfully repetitive pretty quickly, though. I think there was one planet that had halfway interesting missions (Manaan).

 

[VDweller]

As long as it has Bethesda on it, they will never be happy with the result, regardless of what it may be.

Nobody gives a damn whose logo is on the box, but I'm sure that you know better.

I'm not sold on the bullshit you are offering.

Were you personally invited to this sales event? Feel free to get the fuck out at any time.

I'll reconsider.

Please don't.

 

[Sander]

They could make Fallout 3 perfectly right and they would still complain. As long as it has Bethesda on it, they will never be happy with the result, regardless of what it may be.

I'm not sold on the bullshit you are offering.

Lower your price.

I'll reconsider.

Strike one for trolling.

Cut it out.

 

[VDweller]

Re: FFS

I recently played KOTOR, this time actually completing it. I discovered it was pretty damned short, and that choices (as usual) have no consequences whatsoever, but it was somewhat fun nonetheless. It got awfully repetitive pretty quickly, though. I think there was one planet that had halfway interesting missions (Manaan).

Sure it was a fun game (I'm a Star Wars fan), but as an RPG it kinda sucked. The most disappointing planet for me was Korriban. You can tell everyone that you are Revan, the Dark Lord of the Motherfucking Sith, and you can let them feel your Force Powahs, but they still tell you "Oh, that's nice, dear, but you still have to take classes with all the other students". The gameplay difference between being good and evil is zero.

 

[Sinister_Messiah]

Trolling? Are you serious?

Anyway, don't say that nobody cares who's name is on the box. You know that isn't true. Am I saying everybody cares? Not at all.

But you cannot sit there and say a comment like that. When people are sitting there spitting about how Bethesda has no experience in this and that, it has something to do with the company.

Many companies take on challenges that they have not had experience with in the past. Some succeed, some fail.

Fact of the matter is, no way around it, that you don't know 'till it's there. It's a 50/50 shot. Some are trying to turn it into a 0/100 shot, with guaranteed failure.


Don't play the 'Stop Trolling' card. It is childish, arrogant, immature. Whenever someone makes a point against the opinion that Fallout 3 may not be horrible, they are told that 'everyone has the right to their own opinion.' However when it's the other way around. It is trolling. Spot on.

All you need to do if you disagree is address the points in the discussion, not look for reasons to try to outcast more and more people from the community just for having faith in Fallout 3.

Negativity is a turn on though, so it is understood.

 

[VDweller]

But you cannot sit there and say a comment like that. When people are sitting there spitting about how Bethesda has no experience in this and that, it has something to do with the company.

It has something to do with how the company had chosen to handle the development: close the doors, show nothing until it's too late to change anything, discuss nothing, etc.

Fact of the matter is, no way around it, that you don't know 'till it's there. It's a 50/50 shot. Some are trying to turn it into a 0/100 shot, with guaranteed failure.

Well, so far there are plenty of indications (from direct quotes to leaked info) that Bethesda will do what it does best, so 50/50 sounds way too optimistic.

Don't play the 'Stop Trolling' card. It is childish, arrogant, immature. Whenever someone makes a point against the opinion that Fallout 3 may not be horrible...

There was a point? There are reasons why some people aren't overly enthusiastic about FO3. What are your reasons to expect a decent Fallout game? Because you *hope* that they won't screw it up?

 

[Sander]

Re: FFS

Sure it was a fun game (I'm a Star Wars fan), but as an RPG it kinda sucked. The most disappointing planet for me was Korriban. You can tell everyone that you are Revan, the Dark Lord of the Motherfucking Sith, and you can let them feel your Force Powahs, but they still tell you "Oh, that's nice, dear, but you still have to take classes with all the other students". The gameplay difference between being good and evil is zero.

Very true. I especially disliked the lack of an option to, you know, *not* join the Sith Academy. I couldn't just go in and kill them, even though I was twice as powerful as any of the Sith in there. Bah.

Trolling? Are you serious?

You come to a site and basically tell them that they're a bunch of close-minded assholes who are selling bullshit without any backing arguments whatsoever.
Yeah, that's trolling alright.

Anyway, don't say that nobody cares who's name is on the box. You know that isn't true. Am I saying everybody cares? Not at all.

But you cannot sit there and say a comment like that. When people are sitting there spitting about how Bethesda has no experience in this and that, it has something to do with the company.

Ehm, yes, it has something to do with the experience that *company* has already shown. It has nothing to do with the *name*, it's purely about the prior history of the company and the way they are behaving themselves now.

That, and the rumours that Troika was after the license as well.

Many companies take on challenges that they have not had experience with in the past. Some succeed, some fail.

Those companies don't claim they've already done something similar. Bethesda has always claimed that Morrowind and Oblivion were RPGs. They've also claimed that they are going to do "what they do best". Hah!

Fact of the matter is, no way around it, that you don't know 'till it's there. It's a 50/50 shot. Some are trying to turn it into a 0/100 shot, with guaranteed failure.

No, it's more of 5/95 shot.

Don't play the 'Stop Trolling' card. It is childish, arrogant, immature. Whenever someone makes a point against the opinion that Fallout 3 may not be horrible, they are told that 'everyone has the right to their own opinion.' However when it's the other way around. It is trolling. Spot on.

Oh stop your whining.
That post was a troll, plain and simple. Especially if you look at the other posts these past few days where it has been explained that this is bullshit. You come in with an unfounded 'opinion' that you don't even support with arguments but does attack this entire community. That's a troll, plain and simple. It has nothing to do with your being 'right' or 'wrong'.

All you need to do if you disagree is address the points in the discussion, not look for reasons to try to outcast more and more people from the community just for having faith in Fallout 3.

What points did you bring up, then? The point 'you only look at the name'? That's not even worthy of an argument.

 

[Sinister_Messiah]

See, this works better when we play nice.

I should have been more clear. When I am addressing those who think it's all in the name, I did not mean everybody who doubts Bethesda. I know there are some who trust Bethesda as a company, just not with this project. I understand, and respect that.

My original comment was directed more towards those who simply hate Bethesda because they hate Bethesda.

Those are the people who frustrate me.

I want nothing more than a successful build of Fallout 3. I don't care if it's Bethesda or some guy off the street, as long as it feels Fallout.

Bethesda did not create the disasters that occured after Fallout 2. I understand the doubt. I understand that it seems like only the masterminds behind Fallout 1 and 2 could create a Fallout 3 that will entertain as such.

But I give them the chance to prove those who want to rain fire upon them for even trying.


I wasn't trolling. I just think you're cute. Domo arigato.

 

[Sander]

See, this works better when we play nice.

I should have been more clear. When I am addressing those who think it's all in the name, I did not mean everybody who doubts Bethesda. I know there are some who trust Bethesda as a company, just not with this project. I understand, and respect that.

My original comment was directed more towards those who simply hate Bethesda because they hate Bethesda.

Those are the people who frustrate me.

Ehm, like who? No one hates Bethesda just because it's a company called Bethesda. There are people who hate it because it has proven to be an untrustworthy, PR-bullshit company that even mistreats its own IP, who knows what they might do to Fallout 3.
Bethesda has a reputation, and it has earned that reputation. Morrowind and Oblivion were nothing like RPGs, yet they claimed them to be that, and worse even, those two games were a drastic step away from the original TES games.
Furthermore, if you look at the reporting during the development of Morrowind and Oblivion, you'll notice that a lot of the things they showed were plain false or hugely over-exaggerated.

No one 'hates' Bethesda for being Bethesda, they hate Bethesda for what Bethesda has shown and done.

 

[SumsoluS]

My original comment was directed more towards those who simply hate Bethesda because they hate Bethesda.

And most of them stated why they dislike Bethesda, they backed their arguments up. You however seem to be basing your hopes on a lot of faith. We have looked at every interview given out by them, we have seen obvious quotes to what their intentions are, we also have experience of Fallout being shafted over and over again. We are not suckers, we know there is a huge market out there for bethesda's crap but it doesnt mean we'll simply hush and accept it. No thanks!

I hate a logo when I recognise what it stands for, not because I don't think it's well designed or different to what I expect. I do not like their previous titles, I have read they are going to pretty much turn it into obivallout. Mixing turds with soup or tikka or chips is going to end in the same result.

3.96/96.4 shot imo!

 

[RPG of the year!!]

Re: FFS

I don't see anything wrong with fo3 being on an xbox... IT'S NOT 1998 anymore... isometric turn based is not gonna cut it... it is possible to carry FO universe over into 2000's... with dark, gritty, post apocolyptic athomsphere... and I don't care what type of a game it is...

Hi there, Chuck Cuevas! How's it going? Still unemployed?

My original comment was directed more towards those who simply hate Bethesda because they hate Bethesda.

Do you commonly direct comments towards mythical creatures, or is that just a one-time kinda thing?

Bethesda did not create the disasters that occured after Fallout 2. I understand the doubt. I understand that it seems like only the masterminds behind Fallout 1 and 2 could create a Fallout 3 that will entertain as such.

But they did create the disasters that occured after Daggerfall. Now for 600 bonus points, would you like to highlight where Bethesda ever demonstrated the competence or inclination to replicate any design staples of Fallout?

You should, however, be aware that I'm docking you 1000 points for "... the masterminds behind Fallout 1 and 2 ... ".

You should also be aware that an answer is useless inherently, as Bethesda's Oblivion: Brotherhood of Steel does infact lack Fallout's design staples. So don't strain your wittle head too hard, sweetie.

 

[Sinister_Messiah]

What proof do you have that Bethesda is creating a Fallout 3 that is completely off-base with Fallout 1 and 2?

Because of what some PR guy says? Bethesda is notoriously hush-hush on their projects. Why would this be any different?

Silence doesn't necessarily mean disaster.


Am I wrong, or are you are referring to Fallout 3 as being Oblivion: Brotherhood of Steel?

Cute.

When you automatically label a game as being a disaster before any actual evidence has been handed out, based on what Bethesda did with Oblivion, that is a cookie cutter example of you disliking Bethesda because they are who they are. It doesn't matter if you are basing it on the fact that a developer slept with your wife, kicked your dog, or because you feel they butchered Oblivion.

 

[Wooz]

*casts spell: Summon Roshambo*

 

[Sam Ecorners]

I haven't played Oblivion and have no interest of doing so, it's not my type of a game. I don't choose the gamesw I play based on the genre, dev., publisher or platform. I play games for FUN. Iplay games that give me a decent story, great athmosphere, fun gameplay. I don't give a fuck whether it's an FPS, RPG or WTF I enjoyed KOTOR's athmosphere and gameplay more than anything, but I REALLY enjoyed KOTOR2 for it's dialoges and overall hopelessness.

.........
few more paragraphs were here, but, I just went back and reread all the shit that VD spews all over rpgcodex AND here and decided to fuck it. I actually have a life and it's a lot more important than trying to argue here with some dimwitted nimrod whose ONLY fun in this life is to bitch at those not sucking his all knowing dick.

Admin, if you'd be so kind to delete this account, thnks.

 

[Per]

What proof do you have that Bethesda is creating a Fallout 3 that is completely off-base with Fallout 1 and 2?

You come in here slinging around vague general accusations and arguments from ignorance ("Because I personally have no clue, it must be 50/50!"), then when people respond with actual arguments, you start crying for "proof" that everything isn't as you say. Dispense with the trolling and bullshit, please.

When you automatically label a game as being a disaster before any actual evidence has been handed out, based on what Bethesda did with Oblivion, that is a cookie cutter example of you disliking Bethesda because they are who they are.

Or else it's a cookie cutter example of disliking Bethesda based on what they did with Oblivion. Gee, I wonder which it could be. Well, maybe it means what you think only because you say so?

 

[Brother None]

They could make Fallout 3 perfectly right and they would still complain.

No. They. Wouldn't. Van Buren was FAR from a perfect Fallout 3, but people were welcoming it with open arms.

Frith on a stick, how long will this unsubstantiated bullcrap last?

Nobody gives a damn whose logo is on the box, but I'm sure that you know better.

Maybe Bethesda should change their name to Black Isle Studios

Anyway, don't say that nobody cares who's name is on the box. You know that isn't true. Am I saying everybody cares? Not at all.

Don't say nobody denies the holocaust. You know that isn't true.

Good logic!

When people are sitting there spitting about how Bethesda has no experience in this and that, it has something to do with the company.

Substantiated facts about the company. Maybe you don't like facts?

However when it's the other way around. It is trolling. Spot on.

Actually, when it's repeating an argument already made halfway through the last page, it just might be considered trolling. Maybe? I dunno, obviously you're running this forum...

That, and the rumours that Troika was after the license as well.

Bullshit rumours, despite Briosafreak's hints that "some company might have been interested to license it for Troika".

3.96/96.4 shot imo!

π/100-π for me!

Hi there, Chuck Cuevas! How's it going? Still unemployed?

Grrrlol!

I understand the doubt. I understand that it seems like only the masterminds behind Fallout 1 and 2 could create a Fallout 3 that will entertain as such.

There were masterminds behind Fallout 2? For reals?

What proof do you have that Bethesda is creating a Fallout 3 that is completely off-base with Fallout 1 and 2?

Proof by absence. Booyah!

Silence doesn't necessarily mean disaster.

It did for Oblivion.

Am I wrong, or are you are referring to Fallout 3 as being Oblivion: Brotherhood of Steel?

Nah, wouldn't want to insult Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel like that. At least Chuck was aware he wasn't making an RPG.

When you automatically label a game as being a disaster before any actual evidence has been handed out, based on what Bethesda did with Oblivion, that is a cookie cutter example of you disliking Bethesda because they are who they are.

Bethesda is who we thought they were...they're who we thought they were. We played them around Oblivion, everyone plays a few shitty games...who the hell takes shitty games like it's bullshit...BULLSHIT...but they were WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE, that's why we're on the damned internet. If you want to crown their ass, then CROWN THEIR ASS, but they ARE who we THOUGHT THEY WERE.

We're not letting them off the hook, though. Ain't no No Mutants Arizona Tardinals heyaah!

few more paragraphs were here, but, I just went back and reread all the shit that VD spews all over rpgcodex AND here and decided to fuck it. I actually have a life and it's a lot more important than trying to argue here with some dimwitted nimrod whose ONLY fun in this life is to bitch at those not sucking his all knowing dick.

Congratulations, you just won the argument with this piece of compelling logic!

 

[Yoshi525]

What proof do you have that Bethesda is creating a Fallout 3 that is completely off-base with Fallout 1 and 2?

Well done doctor, you made some steroids!

 

[RPG of the year!!]

What proof do you have that Bethesda is creating a Fallout 3 that is completely off-base with Fallout 1 and 2?

An amazing power to comprehend the obvious coupled with basic literacy. Now what exactly, skippy, is your basis for the faith-flying-in-the-face-of-fact you hold that Bethesda is even remotely capable of creating a Fallout cRPG?

I asked you this in my first post.

You have not delivered an answer.

Am I wrong, or are you are referring to Fallout 3 as being Oblivion: Brotherhood of Steel?

Well I'll be, how'd you figure that out? Keep up this level of perception, and I might have to face the possibility that you're smarter than my bowel contents.

Although your lighspeed mental quickness there does begin to explain why you think O:BoS will be a super-peachy Fallout cRPG(YAY!).

When you automatically label a game as being a disaster before any actual evidence has been handed out

Ignoring copious amounts of evidence that Bethesda's Fallout 3 will make FO:BoS look like a godsend by comparison(even Chucksy Wucksy wasn't dim enough to design it around 1st person) because you're either too clueless or too dishonest to recognise said evidence is not a valid basis for an argument. Try harder.

based on what Bethesda did with Oblivion, that is a cookie cutter example of you disliking Bethesda because they are who they are.

You cought me. I dislike Bethesda for who they are; lying munchkins who succeeded in hyping Oblivion up to levels that would make the second coming of Jesus look like small potatoes, touting "revolutionary" features that were old hat years ago and in the end delivering a product that was watered-down piss compared to Morrowind, which was watered-down piss compared to Daggerfall, fucking over both the original fanbase and the newly established fanbase in the process. I also dislike them, because as mentioned previously(I think you missed it), they have never shown a desire or abbility to replicate the design staples of Fallout, especially not after they purchased the license(I dare you to suggest otherwise, that'd be good for a chuckle).

I can't really hate Bethesda, though, after all the times Radiant AI has made me double over laughing. Priceless times.

I'm sorry if I've failed to "prove" anything, though, I don't have the energy* to futily spoonfeed the obvious to the illiterate/ignorant/viral marketters/trolls/criminally retarded(same difference)**. Instead I invite you to stroll down the Alley of Terror and unearth a clue:
http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=34207


*It's still sapped after FO:BoS Round 1.

**I wish Roshambo was still here.

 

[VDweller]

I haven't played Oblivion and have no interest of doing so, it's not my type of a game.

I play games for FUN. I don't give a fuck whether it's an FPS, RPG or WTF

You don't give a fuck about the types of games you play, yet Oblivion is not your type of a game. Your statements are conflicting.

few more paragraphs were here, but, I just went back and reread all the shit that VD spews all over rpgcodex AND here and decided to fuck it.

Another fallen hero. You will be missed

I actually have a life and it's a lot more important than trying to argue here with some dimwitted nimrod whose ONLY fun in this life is to bitch at those not sucking his all knowing dick.

And it took you only 2 posts to realize that? Thou art truly wise.