Bethesda's Fallout 4: Continuity Breaker

[Walpknut]

With pleasure.
Continue your bitching about people expressing their ideas on a Forum, that's an amazing way of spending your time.

 

[EnclaveKnight]

With pleasure.
Continue your bitching about people expressing their ideas on a Forum, that's an amazing way of spending your time.

BOO!

 

[Battlecross]

I think that the OP point about no "Warning of nuclear attack" exemplifies the point SMBComic is making.

It refers to the prior warning seen in Fallout 4 trailer, which conflict with POTUS comment in Fallout 2, that states that the 'Chinese launched first and there was no warning on the East Coast'.

If true, it will significantly limits the option for world building on the East Coast. Otherwise, it allows Beth more freedom to set a parallel story without interfering with the events on the West coast, it change nothing about FO1\FO2(or FO:NV) experience and we can come up with an easy explanation for that single comment. For example Propaganda: "those bastards they hit us first, without a warning!"

Btw that segment from FO4 intro, reminded me of this :

The Citizen's parents were reduced to ash, as they didn't believe the government's bombing raid sirens. The Citizen made their way to the relocation center and is escorted to a Vault by Corporal Armstrong of the 4th Armored Infantry Division. - Interplay, Van Buren​

Log 674 from Black Mountain [New Vegas] "Oh my god. It's actually happening. We have reading across the board of launches happening everywhere. {China} must've thrown everything they had, and it looks like we didn't hold back either. The computer says we have 2 minutes until the first missile drops."

{216}{prs32}{We were winning, too. And then those damn Reds launched everything they had. We barely got our birds up.}
{217}{}{Doesn't seem as though it helped us much.}
{218}{prs33}{Well, no it didn't. But at least it knocked the damn Red menace back into the stone age.}
{219}{}{And us with it.}
{220}{prs34}{Well, no. No... not quite. You see, we had planned ahead. We were ready. }

There was warning, I'm not sure why people think there was none at all.

 

[RetroAmerica]

More than likely what Fallout's nuclear war would have been like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlPEBROvR9w

 

[fred2]

There was warning, I'm not sure why people think there was none at all.

Even better. Going back to the topic, not only people here are primed to dislike anything Beth related failing to see any redeeming value and nitpicking needlessly, followed by dramatic statements. Apparently they don't even bother to check the facts.

 

[SMBComix]

There was warning, I'm not sure why people think there was none at all.

Even better. Going back to the topic, not only people here are primed to dislike anything Beth related failing to see any redeeming value and nitpicking needlessly, followed by dramatic statements. Apparently they don't even bother to check the facts.

That is, sadly, about 99% of the people on this forum. The 1% that love the ENTIRE series make up a minority. Makes me wonder why we even have a Fallout 3, New Vegas, or "Future" Fallout category on this site in the first place, since apparently it's a crime to like the content Bethesda's been putting out -- and thereby keeping this series alive and relevant, thereby allowing this site to be allowed to continue existing in this first place -- I guarantee that if all there was, was OLD Fallout, this site's population would dwindle rapidly and it'd go the way of the dodo within a year or so.

 

[Walpknut]

Cry me a river.

 

[naossano]

Even better. Going back to the topic, not only people here are primed to dislike anything Beth related failing to see any redeeming value and nitpicking needlessly, followed by dramatic statements. Apparently they don't even bother to check the facts.

http://www.nma-fallout.com/showthread.php?202595-Why-Do-You-Enjoy-Fallout-3
http://www.nma-fallout.com/showthread.php?200412-Things-that-Fallout-3-did-right!
http://www.nma-fallout.com/showthread.php?202363-Your-least-hated-Fo3-quests
http://www.nma-fallout.com/showthread.php?202609-Praise-for-The-Pitt-DLC
http://www.nma-fallout.com/showthread.php?202424-Why-is-Fallout-3-so-loved
http://www.nma-fallout.com/showthread.php?200847-Fun-things-to-do!

Only scrolled the first 3 page of Fo3 section.

That is, sadly, about 99% of the people on this forum. The 1% that love the ENTIRE series make up a minority. Makes me wonder why we even have a Fallout 3, New Vegas, or "Future" Fallout category on this site in the first place, since apparently it's a crime to like the content Bethesda's been putting out -- and thereby keeping this series alive and relevant, thereby allowing this site to be allowed to continue existing in this first place -- I guarantee that if all there was, was OLD Fallout, this site's population would dwindle rapidly and it'd go the way of the dodo within a year or so.

- Loving the entire series equally is like being a huge fan of Michael Bay, Yasujiro Ozu, Andrew Niccoll and Mel Brooks at the same time. It is possible, but quite unlikely. So much different author, design, overall choices on how to handle those. Games like Fo1, Fo1, FoT, FoBos, Fo3, FoNV and Fallout Shelter are very different animals and it is not hard to guess that some people might enjoy some, but not the others.
- FoNV get quite a lot of love from RPG fans, old fans, and some new "old fans" that discovered the series with FoNV and tend to prefer FoNV-Fo1-Fo2 over Fo3.
- There is a fair number of fans that still haven't played Fo3-FoNV-FoShelter. I only tried Fo3-FoNV in 2013-2014. I totally ignored them, avoiding any spoilers for years, while still being involved in english/french speaking Fallout communities, spending countless of hours on the Fonline servers or discovering new contents from Killap/Sduibek, and i have yet to play a lot of Fo1-Fo2 mods, finished and unfinished. There is a lot to discover, talk about, play or read about the Fallout series, even if ignoring Fo3-FoNV.
- Even ignoring the Fallout series itself, there is a lot of new games able to attract the NMA crowd (making tons of money on Fo3 failure to deliver) and ensure its growth. If the admin/mods are smart enough to create subsections about Wasteland (done), Underrail, Dead State, Age Of Decadence, Insomnia, Torment, etc... they would have no reason to fear any loss of members.
- There is currently no one in the entire forum that will blame you for LIKING Fo3 or Fo4. It is not because they hate Fo3 that they consider there is something wrong with you to think that, or consider that it is an offense turned agains't you.

 

[SMBComix]

That is, sadly, about 99% of the people on this forum. The 1% that love the ENTIRE series make up a minority. Makes me wonder why we even have a Fallout 3, New Vegas, or "Future" Fallout category on this site in the first place, since apparently it's a crime to like the content Bethesda's been putting out -- and thereby keeping this series alive and relevant, thereby allowing this site to be allowed to continue existing in this first place -- I guarantee that if all there was, was OLD Fallout, this site's population would dwindle rapidly and it'd go the way of the dodo within a year or so.

- Loving the entire series equally is like being a huge fan of Michael Bay, Yasujiro Ozu, Andrew Niccoll and Mel Brooks at the same time. It is possible, but quite unlikely. So much different author, design, overall choices on how to handle those. Games like Fo1, Fo2, FoT, FoBos, Fo3, FoNV and Fallout Shelter are very different animals and it is not hard to guess that some people might enjoy some, but not the others.

True enough.

- FoNV get quite a lot of love from RPG fans, old fans, and some new "old fans" that discovered the series with FoNV and tend to prefer FoNV-Fo1-Fo2 over Fo3.

Just not here. Though developed by Obsidian, who are basically the same dev team that worked on the originals for Interplay, it's still counted as a Bethesda game and around here that's enough to earn it verbal lashings from every single hardcore Interplay fanboy (I REALLY hate that term but there's no other term for it) on this site, at least from what I've seen.

- There is a fair number of fans that still haven't played Fo3-FoNV-FoShelter. I only tried Fo3-FoNV in 2013-2014. I totally ignored them, avoiding any spoilers for years, while still being involved in english/french speaking Fallout communities, spending countless of hours on the Fonline servers or discovering new contents from Killap/Sduibek, and i have yet to play a lot of Fo1-Fo2 mods, finished and unfinished. There is a lot to discover, talk about, play or read about the Fallout series, even if ignoring Fo3-FoNV.

I'd say those guys have the right idea. If you don't like the new titles, just stay away from them. Ignore them, pretend they don't exist. Just don't bitch about them or attack the people who DO like them, because that's only going to ruin THEIR experience.

- Even ignoring the Fallout series itself, there is a lot of new games able to attract the NMA crowd (making tons of money on Fo3 failure to deliver) and ensure its growth. If the admin/mods are smart enough to create subsections about Wasteland (done), Underrail, Dead State, Age Of Decadence, Insomnia, Torment, etc... they would have no reason to fear any loss of members.

Considering NMA is a Fallout fansite though (and, by extension, Wasteland), they'd have to go elsewhere to talk about those other games... unless the powers-that-be decided to repurpose the site so it's no longer a Fallout fansite. Either way, same result.

- There is currently no one in the entire forum that will blame you for LIKING Fo3 or Fo4. It is not because they hate Fo3 that they consider there is something wrong with you to think that, or consider that it is an offense turned agains't you.

I take it you have Walpknut on ignore then, because he's been nothing but hostile and condescending to those of us who dare to like Bethesda's entries to the series lately. I've been here a long time, he's not the only one; but he's the prominent offender at the present moment, the one drawing the most attention.

 

[FalloutFan85]

I'd say those guys have the right idea. If you don't like the new titles, just stay away from them. Ignore them, pretend they don't exist. Just don't bitch about them or attack the people who DO like them, because that's only going to ruin THEIR experience.

Using that logic, if you do not like people criticizing Bethesda games, then do not go to topics where people criticize Bethesda games. Ignore them, pretend they do not exist.

 

[FalloutFan85]

I'd say those guys have the right idea. If you don't like the new titles, just stay away from them. Ignore them, pretend they don't exist. Just don't bitch about them or attack the people who DO like them, because that's only going to ruin THEIR experience.

Using that logic, if you do not like people criticizing Bethesda games, then do not go to topics where people criticize Bethesda games. Ignore them, pretend they do not exist.

 

[SMBComix]

I'd say those guys have the right idea. If you don't like the new titles, just stay away from them. Ignore them, pretend they don't exist. Just don't bitch about them or attack the people who DO like them, because that's only going to ruin THEIR experience.

Using that logic, if you do not like people criticizing Bethesda games, then do not go to topics where people criticize Bethesda games. Ignore them, pretend they do not exist.

That'd require me to ignore the only Fallout fansite on the web.

 

[SnapSlav]

- FoNV get quite a lot of love from RPG fans, old fans, and some new "old fans" that discovered the series with FoNV and tend to prefer FoNV-Fo1-Fo2 over Fo3.

Just not here. Though developed by Obsidian, who are basically the same dev team that worked on the originals for Interplay, it's still counted as a Bethesda game and around here that's enough to earn it verbal lashings from every single hardcore Interplay fanboy (I REALLY hate that term but there's no other term for it) on this site, at least from what I've seen.

Simply and utterly not true.

Around here, there is a decent mix of people who love FONV and those who are indifferent to it. There are users who are OUTSPOKEN fans of FO3, and some of us poke fun at them, but not out of actually hate, and they know it's all in jest. People here ARE aware that FONV is essentially "the real FO3", and your explanation is not news to any of them. It actually IS quite beloved on this site, so how it is that you've come around relatively recently and decided to tell the community what its opinion is on a game is in fact not what it feels that it is should register as quite strange.

There are old guard types, true, but they don't make up the entirety of this site. As naossano expressed, there's all different sorts, and the likelihoods of different users having different tastes is all across the board. Pun intended.

I'd say those guys have the right idea. If you don't like the new titles, just stay away from them. Ignore them, pretend they don't exist. Just don't bitch about them or attack the people who DO like them, because that's only going to ruin THEIR experience.

That's silly. People who know why they like what they like should have no issue with constructive criticism about it. Likewise, people who know VERY GOOD reasons for why they like what they like should not be affected by irrational bitching from people who don't know as well as they do.

By contrast, the only people whose "experience" would be ruined would be those who simply go with trends and flows, not because they truly know or understand or deeply love the things they're "enjoying" but because it's the thing to do. Unlike the originals, MANY FO3 fans are exactly that. The whole "appeal to a wide userbase" model leaves itself open to this dilemma, but that's not to say there aren't fans who DO love it because they've reasoned why and they sincerely love it. And critics have nothing against that. Likewise, they have no issue with critics, because they're reasonable adults.

I don't like chicken, I REALLY try to eat it from time to time, but it always makes me sick. I bitch about it all the time, but it never AFFECTS those around me who actually enjoy chicken. I have a friend who will apologize for the weather being rainy, and he'll say he's sorry that I don't want to eat chicken, but my complaints will NEVER get him to stop eating it. That's how criticism, complaints, and likes work. If someone telling you something is bad "ruins your experience", then that only means you didn't like it as much as you may have thought you did. By contrast, in the face of complaints and widespread bitching, someone who truly loves FO3 would only enjoy it even more, knowing their delight rubs those people the wrong way.

 

[Walpknut]

I'd say those guys have the right idea. If you don't like the new titles, just stay away from them. Ignore them, pretend they don't exist. Just don't bitch about them or attack the people who DO like them, because that's only going to ruin THEIR experience.

Using that logic, if you do not like people criticizing Bethesda games, then do not go to topics where people criticize Bethesda games. Ignore them, pretend they do not exist.

That'd require me to ignore the only Fallout fansite on the web.

You can go to duck and cover or the Bethesda forums.

 

[TorontoReign]

I love when people come here and tell us what we think.

 

[fred2]

Even better. Going back to the topic, not only people here are primed to dislike anything Beth related failing to see any redeeming value and nitpicking needlessly, followed by dramatic statements. Apparently they don't even bother to check the facts.

[links]

Only scrolled the first 3 page of Fo3 section.

I suppose that you returned the favor with this out of context reply I assume that you were replying to SMBcomics 99% unrelated comment..

Meanwhile I was commenting about very few and vocal negative Nellie's, who sound like insecure schoolboys --like those who just discovered rock music for the first time, and immediately can't shut up about how stupid and retarded everyone like they were - to separate themselves from the crowd, feel superior or whatever--

Who ruined several threads for me, with the constant repetitive whining, mind numbing pointless nitpicking, dramatic statement and or endless tirade of 'yes because they are soooooo stupid, you know'. -- here, in the announcement thread, the "lather jacket" thread and few others for example.

 

[Walpknut]

I don't know Fredie, maybe the one who ruins threads is the kid complaining about negativity and making generalized attacks on the community and on people without bothering to read and who responds to other people's messages with "Piss off" and who spent like 3 pages on the news channel just insulting people for not being possitive about the game.

"Insecure schoolboy" Talk about projecting.

 

[SnapSlav]

I don't know Fredie, maybe the one who ruins threads is the kid complaining about negativity and making generalized attacks on the community and on people without bothering to read and who responds to other people's messages with "Piss off" and who spent like 3 pages on the news channel just insulting people for not being possitive about the game.

"Insecure schoolboy" Talk about projecting.

Not saying you're wrong, but... pot calling the kettle black, much? I seem to recall a "cry me a river" post, among others equally short and kinda pointless. If they're not worth replying to because they're so up their own asses, then, y'know, DON'T reply to them? <_<

 

[Walpknut]

Yeah, I know. But I only replied because they basically went to like 4 different threads to post the exact same whinning and it was kind of late in the night so I was irritable. Still dumb.

 

[Battlecross]

There was warning, I'm not sure why people think there was none at all.

Even better. Going back to the topic, not only people here are primed to dislike anything Beth related failing to see any redeeming value and nitpicking needlessly, followed by dramatic statements. Apparently they don't even bother to check the facts.

It's fine if people don't check the facts, the problem is once they're corrected/pointed to the facts they actively ignore them and continue believing something wrong because they so badly want to complain. That makes my head spin. "I don't like this, so I will make up a thing to insult it for and then when totally proven wrong continue believing that thing." It's insanity.