Bethesda's Lore Recons

[Eternal]

Mini nuke well? Oh wait it's Moria.

The water is already irradiated, and they have a water purification system to clean it.

Using a mininuke to blast open the ground to get to it isn't exactly going to change anything besides the fact it would save people a lot of digging time.

But you say here that the water is so irradiated you'd need a LARGE water purification system to purify semi large amounts of water.

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-When all the soil and water are irradiated to the point were basically nothing but grass grows... yeah, you kinda do need a large/complex water purification system, which can purify semi-large amounts of water daily, in order to sustain crops. That is THE core point of the game.

If the water is that irradiated they'd need a large purification system to be able to make enough water to trade AND purify it for their own use as well as stock piling it. You aren't going to get caravans coming all the way to your city for small amounts of water. The danger + resources would need to match the amount of potential profit. That amount of water is like the amount you'd need to grow stuff or to sustain a town for more than a week or two. Megaton doesn't have that kind of facilities. For that matter, why doesn't Megaton sustain themselves better by simply growing their own crops if they have the ability to pull water out and purify enough to make it worth caravans traveling to them?

 

[Crni Vuk]

Yes, because soil can't possibly be purified and neither can water through a reasonable simple filtration system. And one could not possibly set up a hydroponic garden with the purified soil and water. Oh wait! Seriously man, do you think radiation is magic or something? It's not that difficult to filter it out of something, especially water and soil.

Never mind the fact that radiation should not be fucking up the soil after 200 years.

Do you understand that this is Fallout? A game based on 1950's atomic paranoia, which often depicted nuclear was as destroying the world forever?

Radiation doesn't work the same in Fallout like it does the real world, never has, hence things like mutant animals, and ghouls. That was always the whole point according to Tim Cain. And even Feargus Urquhart described a possible Fallout: LA game as "the Walking Dead meets Fallout, due to all the radiation". Even one of the NCR's largest cities, large enough it became one of the 5 founding states, is supposed to be infested with feral ghouls and radiation.

Source please. Would be an interesting read.

 

[Eternal]

Yeah, the C.W. is just SO devoid of grass right?
http://i.imgur.com/1xcsJQd.jpg

That isn't grass though, and a lot of it is pretty dead looking. Those are more than likely something like creosote or mesquite or one of the other types of desert shrubs. Odd they'd be in the capital wasteland but they look almost exactly like them.

Mesquite beans can be fed to cows in times of harsh lack of food but in terms of grazing they actually injure cows and they aren't meant to sustain them for long periods.

Funny that they'd put these types of desert plants so far from where they naturally occur, the south west.

 

[Crni Vuk]

They probably migrated together with Jet and the BoS into DC, so that they aren't feeling to lonely.

 

[Someguy37]

Source please. Would be an interesting read.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/12/and-heres-obsidians-idea-for-fallout-new-vegas-2/
“If I think of going from Fallout 1 to Fallout 2, we tried to associate the two areas somewhat closely,” he explained to RPS. “It wasn’t just ‘Oh, we’re gonna do this 2,000 miles from here.’ So I think if we were to do Fallout: New Vegas 2 – or just a new Fallout – we would probably separate it from what the internal team at Bethesda’s doing. We’d keep it on the West Coast, because we’re West Coast people. They’re East Coast, so it makes sense.”

“And we need an interesting confined area. So I mean, it could be LA. Fallout LA. That could be interesting. It’d probably be The Boneyard, which is from Fallout 1. It could be very different. It could be almost a Walking Dead meets Fallout-like thing because of all the radiation.”

Funny that they'd put these types of desert plants so far from where they naturally occur, the south west.

Not seeing it really, those are far taller then the grass of D.C., I mean, even you get really close to it its obviously grass. and its likely just irradiated/mutant grass, which is why it looks dead compared to "normal" grass, though I have to say that grass in Texas looks like that most of the time, and its certainly not dead.

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And they do have a large water purification machine in Megaton... so whats your point?

Because clean water is in such short supply in D.C. that not having enough to farm is still worth a lot.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Source please. Would be an interesting read.

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2013/02/12/and-heres-obsidians-idea-for-fallout-new-vegas-2/
“If I think of going from Fallout 1 to Fallout 2, we tried to associate the two areas somewhat closely,” he explained to RPS. “It wasn’t just ‘Oh, we’re gonna do this 2,000 miles from here.’ So I think if we were to do Fallout: New Vegas 2 – or just a new Fallout – we would probably separate it from what the internal team at Bethesda’s doing. We’d keep it on the West Coast, because we’re West Coast people. They’re East Coast, so it makes sense.”

“And we need an interesting confined area. So I mean, it could be LA. Fallout LA. That could be interesting. It’d probably be The Boneyard, which is from Fallout 1. It could be very different. It could be almost a Walking Dead meets Fallout-like thing because of all the radiation.”

Just speculation from my side of course, but why assume that he's talking necessarily only about turning it in to a zombie-killing-fest. After all, a huge appeal from the Walking dead is to see the characters strugle with the situation and how they change over time. Maybe he was meaning this more in the context of the way how comunities and people are dealing with the situation of a dangerous wasteland and colapse of civilisation. No doubt Ferals would be a normal occurance, but knowing Urquhard, there would be definetly a lot of characters and situation comparable to Fallout 1, and not just mindless radiation zombies everywhere.

No clue. I am just brain storming. But thinking about New Vegas and how story driven it was and about communities struggling in the Vegas area, I have my doubts they would simply turn LA in to a mindless shooter like Fallout 4.

Anyway, the difference is I trust Obsidian to make the right decisions, where I trust Bethesda to only decide in favour of marketing value - in other words, money, money money ...

 

[fakeangel]

Yeah, in TWD, the worst enemy of man during the zombie apocalypse is the fellow man.

 

[GlowHound]

Here's how Pete Hines responded to a fan asking about pre-war Jet and the Ghoul locked in the fridge for 200 years.

http://imgur.com/8A7eRPt,otsD5x9

 

[Mr Fish]

So basically "We don't give a shit", it's fun and it works and it's a feature.

 

[Practicat]

Christ, despite what is heavily implied by the entry, he's flat out trying to come up with an excuse for it.

There's flexibility in deciding what elements exist in a fictional universe, but some things don't change, like living things needing sustenance to survive.

 

[Hassknecht]

So basically "We don't give a shit", it's fun and it works and it's a feature.

Indeed. He single-handedly threw all complaints about inconsistent lore out of the window. "Eh, we don't give a fuck."
https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/668830070249758720
Ghoul kid in a fridge for 200 years without food and water? Doesn't need no explanation. Writers are allowed to have fun you guys!!
10. 10. Fucking. GOTY.

 

[GlowHound]

"sorry, i don't have an answer for that. i'll pass it along. i didn't write it, i don't know the context"

This is a much better response.

 

[Hassknecht]

"sorry, i don't have an answer for that. i'll pass it along. i didn't write it, i don't know the context"

This is a much better response.

Couldn't weasel himself out of the Jet issue that easily.

 

[Kilus]

Christ, despite what is heavily implied by the entry, he's flat out trying to come up with an excuse for it.

There's flexibility in deciding what elements exist in a fictional universe, but some things don't change, like living things needing sustenance to survive.

The ghouls needing water is a tough one to accept because it was big deal with the water chip in Fallout 1.

 

[Severite]

Christ, despite what is heavily implied by the entry, he's flat out trying to come up with an excuse for it.

There's flexibility in deciding what elements exist in a fictional universe, but some things don't change, like living things needing sustenance to survive.

The ghouls needing water is a tough one to accept because it was big deal with the water chip in Fallout 1.

I've come to the conclusion that Bethesda, while they make fun games, and I love the open exploration, are not in the business of making FO games, or, even RPG's anymore, and suddenly these little lore breaks stop being worth worrying about. I like to think of it at Bethesdian 5, some Bethsdians are post apocalyptica, some are fantasy, but, as long as you don't ask much from the writing/believability, they ARE fun.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Christ, despite what is heavily implied by the entry, he's flat out trying to come up with an excuse for it.

There's flexibility in deciding what elements exist in a fictional universe, but some things don't change, like living things needing sustenance to survive.

Yeah, but Kilus explained it in a different topic very nicely, even a fictional universe with all sorts of giggle and whacky technology/magic has to be consistent with it's own rules - there are exceptions, but Fallout is not one of those. That's why you don't see the Ecto-1 Ghostbusters car behave like the DeLorean time machine, or Gandalf in Reign of Fire fighting Dragons with magic.

 

[Someguy37]

Anyway, the difference is I trust Obsidian to make the right decisions,

I gave up on OBsidian after they decided to systematically write in as many bullshit excuses as to why everything in the west coast would be destroyed for seemingly no reason other then "we wrote ourselves into a corner with all these large factions that have become so large we can't really expand them anymore without spilling over into other area, so we are taking to easy way out and just destroying them".

Not to mention the abominations that were Meme World Blues, and Lonesome Road.

 

[Mr Fish]

Anyway, the difference is I trust Obsidian to make the right decisions,

I gave up on OBsidian after they decided to systematically write in as many bullshit excuses as to why everything in the west coast would be destroyed for seemingly no reason other then "we wrote ourselves into a corner with all these large factions that have become so large we can't really expand them anymore without spilling over into other area, so we are taking to easy way out and just destroying them".

Not to mention the abominations that were Meme World Blues, and Lonesome Road.

Wut?

When did they destroy NCR and Legion? Regardless of who loses neither is going to be destroyed. They'll splinter into sub-factions and grow smaller, sure. But be destroyed? Nope.

And when exactly did breathing is like super-hot yo and penis-tipped feet become meme's?

 

[MercenarySnake]

Anyway, the difference is I trust Obsidian to make the right decisions,

I gave up on OBsidian after they decided to systematically write in as many bullshit excuses as to why everything in the west coast would be destroyed for seemingly no reason other then "we wrote ourselves into a corner with all these large factions that have become so large we can't really expand them anymore without spilling over into other area, so we are taking to easy way out and just destroying them".

Not to mention the abominations that were Meme World Blues, and Lonesome Road.

Wut?

When did they destroy NCR and Legion? Regardless of who loses neither is going to be destroyed. They'll splinter into sub-factions and grow smaller, sure. But be destroyed? Nope.

And when exactly did breathing is like super-hot yo and penis-tipped feet become meme's?

They're just mad that Old World Blues is funnier than anything in Fallout 3/4 I'm sure. I wouldn't take this crap seriously.

 

[Doctor 0]

Anyway, the difference is I trust Obsidian to make the right decisions,

I gave up on OBsidian after they decided to systematically write in as many bullshit excuses as to why everything in the west coast would be destroyed for seemingly no reason other then "we wrote ourselves into a corner with all these large factions that have become so large we can't really expand them anymore without spilling over into other area, so we are taking to easy way out and just destroying them".

Not to mention the abominations that were Meme World Blues, and Lonesome Road.

Does this forum have an ignore function? I can't come here anymore if I'm going to be at risk of losing brain cells.