Bethesda's Lore Recons

Discussion in 'Fallout 4' started by arcticflocky, Nov 10, 2015.

  1. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Sounds like you've had enough of this person, I'm in the same camp as you.
  2. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Destroy them? Jesus you don't have to do that, it was a choice that you had to decide, not forced onto you.
  3. ToddPrime

    ToddPrime First time out of the vault

    Nov 24, 2015
    Source: Fallout Wiki

    So according to this, pre-war Jet was closer to a real thing than many believe. The only thing that didn't happen supposedly is someone getting the big idea to put Brahmin shit in vats. Honestly as simple of a process that is, is it really that big of a stretch for someone to do that pre-war before Myron?
  4. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    It's still an unecessary strech.
  5. Monco

    Monco The Duck of Death

    Nov 4, 2015
    I believe you're thinking of Borderlands 2
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  6. Someguy37

    Someguy37 Mildly Dipped

    Nov 18, 2015
    I think borderlands had less dick jokes then OWB TBH.

    Did you play New Vegas?
    -Hanlon mentions that the NCR has neglected all the dams, and drained all the aquifers, and part of the the reason why the NCR is so expansionist is that they are literally running out of water.
    -Hildern mentions that the NCR's food supply isn't enough to sustain its population, and that within 10 years time they will be facing mass starvation, and that they are scrambling to try to find new sources of food.
    -Everyone from Marcus to Cass mention that the NCR keeps rolling over people, causing mass civil unrest, which is only worsened by the bloated, corrupt, and inefficient government being unable to get anything done. Marcus even suggest it will lead to a revolution.
    -Ulysses and Joshua Graham mention that the Legion has destroyed all of the NCR's trade routes east, with the Mojave outpost being their last lifeline, so if they lose the Mojave, they become literally boxed into an area with no resources.

    -When it comes to The Legion, its explicitly stated that if Caesar dies, the Legion will fall apart in a years time, if not sooner. This is even alluded too in the Enclave Remnants ending where its said Caesar successors, note multiple, spend years unsuccessfully trying to kill The Remnants. Lanius doesn't even manage to hold power for very long, and everyone after him is apparently morons wasting tons of resources on foolish errands. The Legion is fucked unless their ending is canon with The Courier curing him of his brain tumor.

    -House has no future because his plans, as he states, is to leech off the NCR until he has enough caps to build his space rockets. But if the NCR looses the mojave, they will collapse for the reason above, meaning if House wins, he still loses.

    -On top of all this, its also explicitly stated in Lonesome Road that the tunnelers will breach into the mojave in a few years time, and will kill everything in the Mojave since they are apparently just SO powerful not even deathclaws can stop them.

    That is disregarding Chris's statement that the "nuke everyone" ending of Lonesome Road is the canon one, and that both the Legion and NCR are self destructive institutions.

    New Vegas and its DLC were pretty clear that none of the factions have any sort of long term future. Its just all doom and gloom, everything's fucked. I'm still pretty steamed that Sawyer let Avellone make Lonesome Road to begin with, but Van Buren was going to end with a lot of shit getting nuked, so i guess I shouldn't have been too surprised.

    This is why if Obsidian ever makes another Fallout game, I hope they set it in Chicago or Seattle, far enough away that the NCR and Legion shit doesn't matter. It would be really shitty to have to play game where we learn that everything we did in Fallout 1, 2, and NV gets negated because Avellone and the crew are a bunch of nihilists.
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  7. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish Painstakingly Based & Cringe

    Sep 11, 2010
    It does! :grin:


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  8. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    If that did not give you a headache while typing it, I salute you. You're much stronger than I am.
  9. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    What? Were you meaning to quote me? I don't want to destroy anyone.
  10. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Not you Snake, Someguy37.
  11. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
    I can't believe he simply wrote off the Ghoul boy being in the fridge for 200 years as "It's just a video game about silly mutants and shit."

    They have no fucking clue about the lore and they could care less if the shit makes sense in the first place. That is just utter bullshit right there no matter how you spin it.
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  12. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
  13. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    Whoa whoa whoa...A ghoul locked in a freezer for 200 years? Do you have a YouTube video for that? I'm in disbelief right now.
  14. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005

  15. Irwin John Finster

    Irwin John Finster Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Nov 13, 2015
    The worst part is this writing is actually taking itself seriously. They're presenting this as if it is serious writing. It's not even self aware.
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  16. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign ⛧卐⛧ Staff Member Moderator [REDACTED]

    Apr 1, 2005
    They have never been consistent with lore or tone - even with Elder Scrolls - but this is a new low.
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  17. I eat supermutants

    I eat supermutants I'm your friend, Jesus.

    Nov 30, 2013
    While I have been biding my time to write my own personal feelings on the game, having too much time on my hands outside of work trying my best to form my own opinion of it. Playing in short bursts and discovering things on my own, I've ran across some bad stuff, nonsensical stuff, but that is hands down one of the most retarded things I've ever seen. I can't think of a stronger word to use but Christ on a rubber crutch, that takes the cake. I wanted to find some goodies in here. I'm really looking. Like the Dunwich horror stuff that they just simply recycled to my dismay. This is definitely the stupidest shit, simply pulled out of the ether. Trying to make me feel...something which this game has never materialized. I'm going to trudge on. My sister gave this to me as a gift because she knew I was a Fallout fan and over the years have become a jaded and cynical fan, now I know it's for all the right reasons. Thank you TorontRayne, had I had found this in my own time I may have just thrown up out of rage and terror.
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  18. Sheepo

    Sheepo First time out of the vault

    Nov 23, 2015
    What on Earth were they thinking? This should be a non-canon random encounter at best. Can you imagine this kid whining about his mum and dad all through Fallout 1 and 2? Why even have that kind of situation if you're not going to make full use of it with some Stephen King horror a la The Jaunt.
  19. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Yeah it's stupid. Jokes that were limited in random encounters from whole quests.
  20. MercenarySnake

    MercenarySnake Kept you waiting huh?

    Aug 22, 2015
    This is so stupid so ugh. How the shit did this kid survive 210 YEARS!? What did he eat, drink, and do in there?
    I assume this is how they shit this quest out:
    - "Oh hey let's make a quest with a kid locked in a freezer!"
    - "But but sir that doesn't seem logic---"
    - "I don't care if it makes no sense what so ever it sounds cool so put it in!"
    - "How will this kid survive? What will he eat, drink, and do for that long?"
    - "Make him a ghoul, remember how we're treating them like zombies? Yeah well they don't need to eat or drink or even sleep. As for activities until then? I didn't think that out so just ignore it if it comes up."
    - "Yes...sir..."