Bethesda's Lore Recons

One of the Brotherhood of Steel characters actually stated that the Brotherhood was "in a dark place" 10 years ago (events of Fallout 3) and ever since Maxson took over 10 years ago the brotherhood has become much more productive in finding technology. So basically what he's trying to tell us, the players, is that Maxson took over at age 10 and led the Brotherhood to victory at the tail end of his elementary school years? And the attempt to make the Brotherhood more like the west coast Brotherhood doesn't help either. I'm totally in the minority on this subject here but I actually like what they did with the Brotherhood in Fallout 3. Aside from the "steel be with you" jedi garbage, the concept of a BOS civil war is really cool and was honestly inevitable given the fact that the Brotherhood has such a strict elitist code. The BOS should have genuinely good people in it that want to help people out but couldn't because they were stuck living by the code. The idea of Brotherhood members becoming outcasts is really cool honestly and Bethesda just threw that great idea out the window which devalues Fallout 3 even more as a story in the Fallout universe. Jesus, they are so incompetent.
 
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Paladin Waffles said:
One of the Brotherhood of Steel characters actually stated that the Brotherhood was "in a dark place" 10 years ago (events of Fallout 3) and ever since Maxson took over 10 years ago the brotherhood has become much more productive in finding technology. So basically what he's trying to tell us, the players, is that Maxson took over at age 10 and led the Brotherhood to victory at the tail end of his elementary school years? And the attempt to make the Brotherhood more like the west coast Brotherhood doesn't help either. I'm totally in the minority on this subject here but I actually like what they did with the Brotherhood in Fallout 3. Aside from the "steel be with you" jedi garbage, the concept of a BOS civil war is really cool and was honestly inevitable given the fact that the Brotherhood has such a strict elitist code. The BOS should have genuinely good people in it that want to help people out but couldn't because they were stuck living by the code. The idea of Brotherhood members becoming outcasts is really cool honestly and Bethesda just threw that great idea out the window which devalues Fallout 3 even more as a story in the Fallout universe. Jesus, they are so incompetent.
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Indeed. I would have liked to see more of a civil war between the Brotherhood. Dialogue with Veronica in New Vegas had it implied that a civil war with the Brotherhood would be inevitable. With many believing that the world is changing and they need to change with it or they were going to die out in their bunkers while others believe that it would betray the Codex and compromise their mission. It would have been a interesting clash of ideals. Now its like NOPE! Everything is hunky dory now with the Brotherhood. Arthur Maxson saved it and was able to restore it to its former glory in less then a decade! Its like poetry it rhymes.
 
RangerBoo said:
Paladin Waffles said:
One of the Brotherhood of Steel characters actually stated that the Brotherhood was "in a dark place" 10 years ago (events of Fallout 3) and ever since Maxson took over 10 years ago the brotherhood has become much more productive in finding technology. So basically what he's trying to tell us, the players, is that Maxson took over at age 10 and led the Brotherhood to victory at the tail end of his elementary school years? And the attempt to make the Brotherhood more like the west coast Brotherhood doesn't help either. I'm totally in the minority on this subject here but I actually like what they did with the Brotherhood in Fallout 3. Aside from the "steel be with you" jedi garbage, the concept of a BOS civil war is really cool and was honestly inevitable given the fact that the Brotherhood has such a strict elitist code. The BOS should have genuinely good people in it that want to help people out but couldn't because they were stuck living by the code. The idea of Brotherhood members becoming outcasts is really cool honestly and Bethesda just threw that great idea out the window which devalues Fallout 3 even more as a story in the Fallout universe. Jesus, they are so incompetent.
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Indeed. I would have liked to see more of a civil war between the Brotherhood. Dialogue with Veronica in New Vegas had it implied that a civil war with the Brotherhood would be inevitable. With many believing that the world is changing and they need to change with it or they were going to die out in their bunkers while others believe that it would betray the Codex and compromise their mission. It would have been a interesting clash of ideals. Now its like NOPE! Everything is hunky dory now with the Brotherhood. Arthur Maxson saved it and was able to restore it to its former glory in less then a decade! Its like poetry it rhymes.
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Apparently, Arthur was like 10 when he took over?
 
Doctor 0 said:
RangerBoo said:
Paladin Waffles said:
One of the Brotherhood of Steel characters actually stated that the Brotherhood was "in a dark place" 10 years ago (events of Fallout 3) and ever since Maxson took over 10 years ago the brotherhood has become much more productive in finding technology. So basically what he's trying to tell us, the players, is that Maxson took over at age 10 and led the Brotherhood to victory at the tail end of his elementary school years? And the attempt to make the Brotherhood more like the west coast Brotherhood doesn't help either. I'm totally in the minority on this subject here but I actually like what they did with the Brotherhood in Fallout 3. Aside from the "steel be with you" jedi garbage, the concept of a BOS civil war is really cool and was honestly inevitable given the fact that the Brotherhood has such a strict elitist code. The BOS should have genuinely good people in it that want to help people out but couldn't because they were stuck living by the code. The idea of Brotherhood members becoming outcasts is really cool honestly and Bethesda just threw that great idea out the window which devalues Fallout 3 even more as a story in the Fallout universe. Jesus, they are so incompetent.
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Indeed. I would have liked to see more of a civil war between the Brotherhood. Dialogue with Veronica in New Vegas had it implied that a civil war with the Brotherhood would be inevitable. With many believing that the world is changing and they need to change with it or they were going to die out in their bunkers while others believe that it would betray the Codex and compromise their mission. It would have been a interesting clash of ideals. Now its like NOPE! Everything is hunky dory now with the Brotherhood. Arthur Maxson saved it and was able to restore it to its former glory in less then a decade! Its like poetry it rhymes.
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Apparently, Arthur was like 10 when he took over?
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Never underestimate the Child Prodigy of Maxson. Its in his DNA.
 
kelveen said:
Doctor 0 said:
RangerBoo said:
Paladin Waffles said:
One of the Brotherhood of Steel characters actually stated that the Brotherhood was "in a dark place" 10 years ago (events of Fallout 3) and ever since Maxson took over 10 years ago the brotherhood has become much more productive in finding technology. So basically what he's trying to tell us, the players, is that Maxson took over at age 10 and led the Brotherhood to victory at the tail end of his elementary school years? And the attempt to make the Brotherhood more like the west coast Brotherhood doesn't help either. I'm totally in the minority on this subject here but I actually like what they did with the Brotherhood in Fallout 3. Aside from the "steel be with you" jedi garbage, the concept of a BOS civil war is really cool and was honestly inevitable given the fact that the Brotherhood has such a strict elitist code. The BOS should have genuinely good people in it that want to help people out but couldn't because they were stuck living by the code. The idea of Brotherhood members becoming outcasts is really cool honestly and Bethesda just threw that great idea out the window which devalues Fallout 3 even more as a story in the Fallout universe. Jesus, they are so incompetent.
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Indeed. I would have liked to see more of a civil war between the Brotherhood. Dialogue with Veronica in New Vegas had it implied that a civil war with the Brotherhood would be inevitable. With many believing that the world is changing and they need to change with it or they were going to die out in their bunkers while others believe that it would betray the Codex and compromise their mission. It would have been a interesting clash of ideals. Now its like NOPE! Everything is hunky dory now with the Brotherhood. Arthur Maxson saved it and was able to restore it to its former glory in less then a decade! Its like poetry it rhymes.
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Apparently, Arthur was like 10 when he took over?
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Never underestimate the Child Prodigy of Maxson. Its in his DNA.
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I mean, it's not totally out of the realm of possibility. Didn't Vulpes ascend the ranks at a pretty young age?
 
It's classic science fiction. Muad'ib was like 15 when he started kicking ass all over Dune.
 
Doctor 0 said:
kelveen said:
Doctor 0 said:
RangerBoo said:
Paladin Waffles said:
One of the Brotherhood of Steel characters actually stated that the Brotherhood was "in a dark place" 10 years ago (events of Fallout 3) and ever since Maxson took over 10 years ago the brotherhood has become much more productive in finding technology. So basically what he's trying to tell us, the players, is that Maxson took over at age 10 and led the Brotherhood to victory at the tail end of his elementary school years? And the attempt to make the Brotherhood more like the west coast Brotherhood doesn't help either. I'm totally in the minority on this subject here but I actually like what they did with the Brotherhood in Fallout 3. Aside from the "steel be with you" jedi garbage, the concept of a BOS civil war is really cool and was honestly inevitable given the fact that the Brotherhood has such a strict elitist code. The BOS should have genuinely good people in it that want to help people out but couldn't because they were stuck living by the code. The idea of Brotherhood members becoming outcasts is really cool honestly and Bethesda just threw that great idea out the window which devalues Fallout 3 even more as a story in the Fallout universe. Jesus, they are so incompetent.
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Indeed. I would have liked to see more of a civil war between the Brotherhood. Dialogue with Veronica in New Vegas had it implied that a civil war with the Brotherhood would be inevitable. With many believing that the world is changing and they need to change with it or they were going to die out in their bunkers while others believe that it would betray the Codex and compromise their mission. It would have been a interesting clash of ideals. Now its like NOPE! Everything is hunky dory now with the Brotherhood. Arthur Maxson saved it and was able to restore it to its former glory in less then a decade! Its like poetry it rhymes.
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Apparently, Arthur was like 10 when he took over?
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Never underestimate the Child Prodigy of Maxson. Its in his DNA.
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I mean, it's not totally out of the realm of possibility. Didn't Vulpes ascend the ranks at a pretty young age?
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I think so, i can not remember the details. It must have a very good story to bind that reason. After all, you do not rise up in a established structure,without any basis on experience, seniority etc. How Maxson come to it, im not sure. You cant fit in a PA at that age can you?
 
The morning bombing isn't just how it contradict with the canon but common sense as well since with time difference, the bombing should happened at least at noon. Unless the Chinese fly over the Eurasia continent and Atlantic Ocean just to bombed East Coast first which sounds even more stupid. Bethesda writers negligence is mind boggling.
 
Crni Vuk said:
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TheChosen1 said:
Mohamed2001 said:
The Never Ending prefix really REALLY reminds me of Borderlands. Ditto for the 10mm's prefix.
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Tacticool-Dot Sighted-Extended-Suppressed-Lightened-Heavy-Scoped-Hair Trigger Pipe Pistol
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Which with a little changing becomes a sniper rifle.
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Or a laser guided anti tank weapon to take out star-ships. With a little duct-tape, of course.
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Don't forget the toy car!
 
Modifying the projectile into a teddy bear results in a 10x damage increase. Also, if you build the laser version, the dot sight will make it twin linked.
 
About intelligent super mutants and "more classic BOS": To me this feels like Bethesda tried to do fanservice here. There was lots of crying about how the new BOS is pure b.s. and stuff. Same with the skin-tight vault jumpsuit. Really wouldn't be surprised if the new change in direction is a direct result of the critics.
 
Lexx said:
About intelligent super mutants and "more classic BOS": To me this feels like Bethesda tried to do fanservice here. There was lots of crying about how the new BOS is pure b.s. and stuff. Same with the skin-tight vault jumpsuit. Really wouldn't be surprised if the new change in direction is a direct result of the critics.
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This is the sort of retcon that's more or less exclusively a positive, IMO.
 
PossibleCabbage said:
Lexx said:
About intelligent super mutants and "more classic BOS": To me this feels like Bethesda tried to do fanservice here. There was lots of crying about how the new BOS is pure b.s. and stuff. Same with the skin-tight vault jumpsuit. Really wouldn't be surprised if the new change in direction is a direct result of the critics.
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This is the sort of retcon that's more or less exclusively a positive, IMO.
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Yeah it's better, but Bethesda doesn't do any better. They played it safe with the Brotherhood of steel which is good, but made them quite limited which is bad.
 
what about power armor training? now we don't need it? anybody can hop in? seriously? what about previous games?
 
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