Cashgrab 2 - Fallout 76 gets a subscription service called Fallout1st

Big No said:
So how long should somebody play then?
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That's subjective but if someone played Fallout 1 for 2-3 hours and then went on to make several youtube videos reviewing it how much should you actually value their opinion? In the case of Fallout 76 the game isn't even a static entity, it's gone through several major iterations since release. If they aren't actively playing it and/or haven't played it in-depth then they should probably shut up about it. But it should be no surprise that their audience is primarily people who don't play the game because anybody playing the game isn't watching videos about how terrible it is.
 
Korin said:
That's subjective but if someone played Fallout 1 for 2-3 hours and then went on to make several youtube videos reviewing it how much should you actually value their opinion? In the case of Fallout 76 the game isn't even a static entity, it's gone through several major iterations since release. If they aren't actively playing it and/or haven't played it in-depth then they should probably shut up about it. But it should be no surprise that their audience is primarily people who don't play the game because anybody playing the game isn't watching videos about how terrible it is.
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Well difference is Fallout 1 is designed to be a single player RPG experience trying to tell a story so yeah, you're going to miss out on a fuck ton if you end 2 hours in. 76 is an MMO that's mean't to be played daily and with the main goal being to "rebuild the world". You're going to experience a lot of what the game has to offer quicker in comparison. I mean, one of my favorite reviews of 76 was from Rags and his gameplay showed he was at least level 50 by the end of it, along with his stories showcasing he experienced quite a bit.

Honestly the most confusing aspect of this whole 76 thing is the slight hypocrisy. You get a games that aren't very good and everyone has with no issues shitting on them but when it comes to 76, with all it's PR and gameplay issues, it's just "people making mountains out of mole hills." Kind of makes me want to play AC: Unity since even a game like that had care put into it.
 
Apparently I need to go rent 76 to decide if it is shit or not.
 
Most of the reviews i checked were from people that played dozens upon dozens of hours to see the most of the content. People like Joseph Anderson, Rags and even Angry Joe (he also has a friend that got to like level 130 or something like that) and they all had lengthy reviews showing examples of everything wrong with the game. And all showed a lot of convincing arguments as to why the game is a colossal disaster.

So no, i'm not gonna waste money on this game to know if it's shit or not. I already hate Fallout 3 and 4, i don't need to subject myself to something very similar, except somehow worse.

If you literally didn't knew a single thing about the game and were shitting on it, then maybe you had no right to criticize it. But after watching several lengthy reviews showcasing a lot what's wrong with the game? I don't need to waste my time with this crap.
 
Big No said:
76 is an MMO that's mean't to be played daily and with the main goal being to "rebuild the world".
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Fallout 76 isn't single player but it doesn't seem like an MMO either, at least not to me and I've played a lot of MMOs. It is a weird frankenstein.

Big No said:
I mean, one of my favorite reviews of 76 was from Rags and his gameplay showed he was at least level 50 by the end of it, along with his stories showcasing he experienced quite a bit.
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People keep mentioning Rags but I haven't seen him, so he's probably buried in a sea of other Youtubers. If he's actually played it and given a solid review then I'm all for it. If you play a game (like actually play it) and think its shit then say so, most people are parroting stuff other people are saying. If they haven't played in a year and they're talking about stuff they don't understand they should shut the hell up. I grew up knowing a lot of people that also hated Nickelback and Hanson but hadn't actually heard them and couldn't point their songs out of a playlist.
 
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Norzan said:
So no, i'm not gonna waste money on this game to know if it's shit or not. I already hate Fallout 3 and 4, i don't need to subject myself to something very similar, except somehow worse.
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This is what I tell everyone, if you hated 3 and 4 then there is nothing in Fallout 76 that can appeal to you. Fallout 76 is very loosely formatted like Fallout 4 as a best comparison. There's nothing wrong not liking those games.

Norzan said:
If you literally didn't knew a single thing about the game and were shitting on it, then maybe you had no right to criticize it.
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This comprises a significant portion of the opinions I read and it is usually very obvious that they either don't or haven't played the game because they often misunderstand the things they're complaining about at a fundamental level.
 
TorontRayne said:
Apparently I need to go rent 76 to decide if it is shit or not.
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I'm going to take a stab here and say you probably won't like this game :p but if you actually want to try it wait until Wastelanders and hopefully when its on sale for <$20
 
Korin said:
People keep mentioning Rags but I haven't seen him, so he's probably buried in a sea of other Youtubers. If he's actually played it and given a solid review then I'm all for it.
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It's this one.

2 1/2 hours long but most of it is about his experiences with the game. He's friends with Mauler so like him, Rags goes all out on the details rather than skimp over on stuff.
 
Big No said:
It's this one.

2 1/2 hours long but most of it is about his experiences with the game. He's friends with Mauler so like him, Rags goes all out on the details rather than skimp over on stuff.
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I'll probably listen to this when I'm sitting at my desk tomorrow but I spent at least 15 minutes listening to the "gameplay" section and most of the stuff he's talking about no longer works that way. Many of his complaints about shooting mechanics for example have been changed or fixed over subsequent updates. The review (for the time it was made) does make a lot of sense and I remember all of the issues and frustrations he's mentioned though.
 
Korin said:
That's subjective but if someone played Fallout 1 for 2-3 hours and then went on to make several youtube videos reviewing it how much should you actually value their opinion? In the case of Fallout 76 the game isn't even a static entity, it's gone through several major iterations since release. If they aren't actively playing it and/or haven't played it in-depth then they should probably shut up about it. But it should be no surprise that their audience is primarily people who don't play the game because anybody playing the game isn't watching videos about how terrible it is.
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To be fair here if you played Fallout 4 then you don't need that many hours in F76 to judge it. So it's not 2-3 hours, it may be 80 hours + 2-3 hours.
 
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Wait, really? Is this confirmed?
 
Mr Fish said:
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Wait, really? Is this confirmed?
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It's not "confirmed" but from what they've said about it, and what I've read about it, it doesn't seem to be anything more than a session. If the host is the only Fallout 1st member, it stops the sessions when they leave. A server, in my opinion, would imply that you and whoever you've allowed to join the server could freely join and quit the server with no different repercussions than that of a normal server. I don't understand how something like Nexus mods can be allowed if you can't even have the server running when the Fallout 1st member is offline or that you have to bring in your characters that you started on other servers. That definitely eliminates mods that could affect leveling up, perks, etc.

I could see it being worth way more if you had hosted servers per Fallout 1st subscriber. They get a server ran for them by Bethesda in some way, shape, or form. They can freely mod it, tweak values, etc. but the only caveat would be that those characters on that server are not allowed on any official server.

EDIT: Korin can feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, which I very well may be but this is just how I'm interpreting the information. It does seem like sessions not actual hosted servers like one might expect. Apparently it's opening the session in Amazon Web Services for the temporary server?
 
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Big No said:
It's this one.

2 1/2 hours long but most of it is about his experiences with the game. He's friends with Mauler so like him, Rags goes all out on the details rather than skimp over on stuff.
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So I've been listening to his review. Everything he says is legit and he's probably got the best breakdown of the problems that existed when he made the video (I'm reliving early release trauma). The majority of the things he talks about don't actually work that way anymore though because they've either been changed, re-balanced or fixed so it's not a good reference point for the current version. It sure does trigger some nostalgia of how bad it was. I remember all these things.
 
Eh, I dunno about that. Thought the pvp in that game was almost non-existing, because folks who don't agree to do pvp will barely get any damage dealt to... so this action is a pretty useless thing to do.

Besides, it's kinda hypocritical. If these people were serious, they wouldn't have bought the game in the first place.
 
Lexx said:
Eh, I dunno about that. Thought the pvp in that game was almost non-existing, because folks who don't agree to do pvp will barely get any damage dealt to... so this action is a pretty useless thing to do.
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They introduced a new mode called Survival which is a more PvP focused mode. So it's likely happening on those servers?
 
Lexx said:
Eh, I dunno about that. Thought the pvp in that game was almost non-existing, because folks who don't agree to do pvp will barely get any damage dealt to... so this action is a pretty useless thing to do. Besides, it's kinda hypocritical. If these people were serious, they wouldn't have bought the game in the first place.
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I think the Fallout 1st lynching is exaggerated and as you mentioned since pvp isn't enabled by default it's pretty hard to do anything consequential to another player other than be annoying. It's one of those things where a post gets upvoted on Reddit and it's taken as being more endemic than it actually is.

Squadcar said:
They introduced a new mode called Survival which is a more PvP focused mode. So it's likely happening on those servers?
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Survival was a beta feature they removed about a month ago. It was basically adventure mode except everyone was open for PVP and it was filling that player vs. player niche. PVP in the base game is terrible though and nothing about the game was balanced for fighting other people. Even with a lot of item and legendary adjustments it was foolish. Most everyone was running around with two shot/bloodied explosive weapons. "Running around" I'll put in quotes because almost everyone was wearing assassin's gear with the sentinel affix which only works when you stand still. It sucked ass. Once Nuclear Winter came out I think most people switched to that because the balance and design of that mode was actually pretty good. I believe they've shut down survival because NW is better for pvp and they intend to overhaul the adventure pvp down the road.
 
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