Comics and graphic novels

Malky said:
The movie takes the good ideas that Millar had and turns them into something awesome. That book is very poorly written. The thing I hate about Millar (he does this in Wanted and in Kick-Ass) is that he takes stereotypical "losers" and makes them "awesome" by turning them into pieces of shit. It's ass backwards.
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I dunno... James McAvoy turned in a decent enough performance (after the OMG OMG I'M SCARED AND LOUD bit during the first car chase scene), and I suppose that it might have covered a bit of relatively fresh thematic ground, but I really just don't think it's going to be winning any awards unless they're for cinematography. It seemed to me that they removed most of the more fantastic bits of the plot in order to achieve the requisite amount of grittiness that The Formula™ currently demands of edgy action flicks and to fit one or two of the main characters and ideas of the book into a mass-market-friendly delivery vehicle. Sure, the general theme remains intact, but if that's all you're going to shoot for, you may as well make a movie called The Bible about a guy named Jesus that works in an inner-city soup kitchen. I think that dialing back the supervillain elements of the story actually ended up making suspension of disbelief much harder to sustain.

Besides, Loom of Fate? What, are they weaving the Muslin Shawl of Doom? Laa-haaame.

(Admittedly, I'm really into the whole Our Gods Wear Spandex, Supers-as-the-new-mythos thing. But still, I think, as objectively as I can, that reducing the setting like they did just muddled things. I'll agree with you about Millar's over-the-top bad-boy mancrush, but I don't tend to cheer for his characters anyway. Wes Gibson, in particular, I view as kind of an choose-your-own object lesson, a la Tyler Durden.)
 
Malky said:
If I can find scans of the panels I'll post it, typing the text out doesn't do it any justice at all. Steve Dillon, who I usually dislike, does a great job of conveying the emotions through the facial expressions in that scene.

Funny, since 90% of his faces look the same.
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Dillon can if he wants to, just look at the saint of killers. The only sad thing about preacher is that the quality of the drawings or maybe it is the inking drops from book one. The little extra that was in the beginning is not there at the end.
 
Forgot about Hellboy and the BPRD comics. Turns out Hellboy does Cthulu mythos way better then any Lovecraftian comics out there.

Also preacher: for some reason god only knows I got into it and I really liked it at first. But then Cassidy's origin story ruined it for me. It was so bland and shallow that now I find it all kind of crappy.
 
I would read my father's comics when I was a kid, so I got to read quite a bit of old silver age stuff, and even some WW2 era stuff of my grandfathers. Some of the titles that have stuck with me over the years are the original Gold Key 'Magnus, Robot Fighter,' The Invincible Iron Man, Jonah Hex, The Fantastic Four, The Doom Patrol. From my stepfather, I would get into things such as Cerebus, Punisher and X-Men titles, as well as more independent work.

I used to collect the original Eastman And Laird's TMNT quite a long time ago, along with Cerebus and some other stuff, but I stopped buying individual comics really, and now only get them in book form.

Some of my new (and old) favorites--

Much of Moore's stuff—Swampthing, Watchmen, V for Vendetta, From Hell...

Which brings me to a great little comics anthology that was published only shortly (from 88-92) called Taboo. Taboo first introduced me to Neil Gaiman, and that got me started on Sandman and Hellblazer (I found out later that Constantine was created by Moore).

Going to keep this short(er). maybe...

Maus—Art Spiegelman
Sin City—Miller
Helboy/BPRD-Mignola
The Silent City— Erez Yakin
Lucifer's Hammer—comic adaptation of the great novel by Innovation Comics
The Ray Bradbury Chronicles—second this one, got some great adaptations in it.
The Tick—Ben Edlund
Got a spot for Jhonen Vasquez's books...
Loving Y: The Last Man as I slowly get the graphic novels of it...
Doing the same with Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men.
Still have a thing for Lone Wolf And Cub, along with various other manga titles (Battle Angel, etc)

Many more, just know I'm forgetting things...
 
raskijan said:
Doing the same with Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing X-Men.
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I can't praise Whedon's run on Astonishing nearly enough. It was absolutely perfect. Kittie's eventual fate made my eyes tear up. I know that no one dies in comics, but fuck, that was heartbreaking.

Oh, and fuck anyone who says Cyclops isn't a badass:

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Warren Ellis just took over the reigns from Whedon, and his run is shaping up to be something special.
 
Cheech the cat said:
Also preacher: for some reason god only knows I got into it and I really liked it at first. But then Cassidy's origin story ruined it for me. It was so bland and shallow that now I find it all kind of crappy.
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I have never read anything I disagreed with more on this site. Cassidy is one of the best written characters in comics ever. Just because it was a tough development doesn't mean it wasn't a fucking brilliant one.

Also, pablosdog, I totally have to ask that you not spoil Preacher without a warning; that, IMO, is the most important part of the story.

Watchmen is the best comic of all time. Preacher I'd put right next to it.
 
I am working myself through 100 bullets atm. Absolutly wicked. Going to buy it all. The drawings are getting better and better, and the style is being kept all the way. The author also really know how to use the comic medium. Very violent yet with stories withing stories within stories.
 
I just sold all my old X-Men comics (I had about 200 of them, starting from number 5 - Dutch versions, mind you, and definitely not in mint condition) for 350€!!!!!

Now I can go buy some stuff that really matters, like The Acme Novelty Library 16 and 17 by Chris Ware which were still missing in my collection. I'll buy that last Peanuts boxed set as well.

alec is happy... :D
 
Loxley said:
I am working myself through 100 bullets atm. Absolutly wicked. Going to buy it all. The drawings are getting better and better, and the style is being kept all the way. The author also really know how to use the comic medium. Very violent yet with stories withing stories within stories.
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100 Bullets is really, really good.

If you like that, I highly recommend Ed Brubaker's Criminal (can't remember if I mentioned this book earlier in the thread). Best book on the shelves right now.
 
Reading original and new Spirit makes me a bit cringy about the movie, but I suppose we'll see. It's the spirit that counts FUCKING LOL MOTHERFUCKER LOL.

Also reading Astonishing X-Men, which is ok, Punisher (new writer has a pretty different take on the character [esp. his mannerisms] but seems capable. Will have to see.)

Also also started reading Promethea, which is fucking gold. Alan Moore is amazing; this book brings back so many memories of my early childhood and ideas I've had throughout my life, it's just fucking brilliant.
 
Nexus6 said:
Reading original and new Spirit makes me a bit cringy about the movie, but I suppose we'll see. It's the spirit that counts FUCKING LOL MOTHERFUCKER LOL.
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TOILETS ARE ALWAYS FUNNY

Also, new Punisher writer seems pretty good.
 
TheWesDude said:
nobody else has read/liked Lucifer?

im dissapointed in you guys!
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I read the first 2 trades, it didn't seem to go anywhere. I figured I'd like it since I love Sandman so much, but nope.
 
cyclops wit TWO eyes? sheesh. well, most comic stories for me are like action movies. why bother buying them since cable tv spams them? dedicated comic sections in bookstores have sprung up like 10 years ago in germany, and i never bothered, since most of them are stupid anime. not even HENTAI, man!
 
Anyone read any DC?

I've tried getting into final crises, and World war hulk was superbly badass. I have an appreciation as well for all things green lantern.
 
Pablosdog said:
Anyone read any DC?

I've tried getting into final crises, and World war hulk was superbly badass. I have an appreciation as well for all things green lantern.
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WORLD WAR HULK IS MARVEL YOU PHILISTINE

Nhoyven!!!!!
 
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