Desslock and Fallout combat/viewpoint

[Sarkus]

Desslock has been around for a long time so I doubt he's a tool of Bethesda. Just because he liked Oblivion doesn't mean he should be discounted; a pretty large number of RPG fans like the game even if most people on NMA don't.

That said, all he really said is that F3 is not real time and first-person. That could mean simply that, like Oblivion, there is a 3rd person angle. It could also mean some other things, but we'll have to see.

 

[taxacaria]

Desslock has been around for a long time so I doubt he's a tool of Bethesda. Just because he liked Oblivion doesn't mean he should be discounted; a pretty large number of RPG fans like the game even if most people on NMA don't.

1) you're right - Desslock's preview is same garbage as most of the other previews - but that doesn't make him a Bethesda creature, he's just another whore of the gaming industry.
2) you're wrong - no real RPG fan likes Oblivion, because it's an action game with adjustable stats but not a role playing game.

[quote='RPG fan' at ES forum]
Roleplaying is a huge part of my gaming.
Whether it be Halo or The Sims 2, I always roleplay.
So when I first roleplayed Oblivion, I was blown away.
[/quote]

 

[Sorrow]

2) you're wrong - no real RPG fan likes Oblivion, because it's an action game with adjustable stats but not a role playing game.

So, no real RPG fan likes action games?

 

[taxacaria]

2) you're wrong - no real RPG fan likes Oblivion, because it's an action game with adjustable stats but not a role playing game.

So, no real RPG fan likes action games?

If they like Oblivion, they do not because it's a great RPG, they like it as an action game. That makes the difference.

 

[Morbus]

OMFGOMFGOMFG WOOOT?!?!?

lol, just kidding. I like these sprinkles of hope Well, that may as well mean that SPECIAL is not doomed never to make it out to the release XD

 

[RPG of the year!!]

RPG of the year, does he work there? NO. does he get officially payed from todd? not that i know.

He gets officially paid by Bethesda in the form of reciprocated blowjobs. Try it again and perhaps this time the clue won't evade you. I hear that third times are the charm.

Just because he liked Oblivion doesn't mean he should be discounted

There's a subtle difference between liking Oblivion(loving it even) and calling it "a superlative RPG". See if you can find it.

1, 2, 3... Go!

 

[sanyok21]

Lay off the crack pipe will you? so Desslock thought oblivion was a good game. i don't see how that has anything to do with oral sex. or you're implying that every gamer which played oblivion and liked it gets sucked off by pete in a back room? what the hell it is that you're trying to say?
I don't even understand why i bother. The guy showed true interest and understanding of fallout, has stated black on white that oblivion with guns won't cut it for fallout 3, but there you are still trying to prove a foolish and false idea that he's bethesda's messenger giving away PR for blowjobs to increase future sales.

you want to be taken seriously and not for a hot headed fool? bring some serious arguments and not "hAy loak11!!1 rAed Tis! pETE lAKES tha coK And DASLOOOK AS GAVANG iT To HEM!!!!"

and even if he did call oblivion rpg, it has nothing to do with fallout and he showed enough to prove it. so trying to revolve it around oblivion is freakishly paranoid and delusional.

 

[Sander]

He didn't just call Oblivion an RPG, he called it the bestest most awesomest RPG EVAR!!!!
Which shows he's just being a moron, since Oblivion has absolutely jack shit to do with an RPG.

 

[Le Jedi Fou]

Other than that, what does he mean? That it's RT/FP but the decision isn't locked in the development cycle? That it's RT/FP but it's not technically locked? That it's RT/iso? That it's TB/iso? And interpretation is valid

He says nothing about the view or combat of the game, except than nothing is locked, either technically and/or in final design.
By the way, what did Briosafreak mean in the first place? That Fallout 3 can only be made FP/RT because of its engine, or that Bethesda will never chose to make an ISO/TB game with Fallout 3?

 

[sanyok21]

He didn't just call Oblivion an RPG, he called it the bestest most awesomest RPG EVAR!!!!
Which shows he's just being a moron, since Oblivion has absolutely jack shit to do with an RPG.

well, probably he did that quite a while back, because at the same forum in which he posted about what this topic is about, he also posted at another thread that oblivion had major flaws like the leveled system.
but still, it doesn't change what he did state about fallout, and that matter most about him specifically.

 

[Bunkermensch]

Nothing locked means, that there are at least two perspectives or one with zooming rotating possibilities.
What can that be?
There are 1stP, 3rdP, isometric, topdown... plus rotating, zooming etc.
And every mix of them is possible?

If nothing is locked, the optimum is isometric with zooming and rotating.

Can't this Desslock tell facts? Is he kind of an oracle that we have to interpret his words? I do not like that.

 

[RPG of the year!!]

Lay off the crack pipe will you? so Desslock thought oblivion was a good game. i don't see how that has anything to do with oral sex. or you're implying that every gamer which played oblivion and liked it gets sucked off by pete in a back room? what the hell it is that you're trying to say?

Bzzt.

Cluelessness that thorough can only be on purpose, champ. My only question is if you're doing in the persuit of trolling, attention whoring, or both.

even if he did call oblivion rpg

Calling Oblivion a mindblowingly great RPG means that Desslock has slightly less credability than Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, as TES:O is in all actuality an FPS action game with adjustable stats and roleplay on par with The Legend of Zelda(to be generous). It also means that Dessie is either incapable of recognizing a capacity for roleplay, or will say that anything features superb roleplaying if he gets a whiff of being rewarded for it(namedropping in Business Week comes to mind for some strange reason I just can't put my finger on).

I asked you to treat reading right, but here you are stabbing it the in the face instead while shit-stirring. That's a bad Mr.Kitty. Bad!

 

[Montez]

By the way, what did Briosafreak mean in the first place? That Fallout 3 can only be made FP/RT because of its engine, or that Bethesda will never chose to make an ISO/TB game with Fallout 3?

I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he probably meant both.

And whatever Desslock actually meant by his reply, I don't think anyone should get their hopes up for TB. Unless you're a incurable optimist you should assume that combat is going to be real time, given Bethesda's game history.

 

[sanyok21]

Lay off the crack pipe will you? so Desslock thought oblivion was a good game. i don't see how that has anything to do with oral sex. or you're implying that every gamer which played oblivion and liked it gets sucked off by pete in a back room? what the hell it is that you're trying to say?

Bzzt.

Cluelessness that thorough can only be on purpose, champ. My only question is if you're doing in the persuit of trolling, attention whoring, or both.

even if he did call oblivion rpg

Calling Oblivion a mindblowingly great RPG means that Desslock has slightly less credability than Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf, as TES:O is in all actuality an FPS action game with adjustable stats and roleplay on par with The Legend of Zelda(to be generous). It also means that Dessie is either incapable of recognizing a capacity for roleplay, or will say that anything features superb roleplaying if he gets a whiff of being rewarded for it(namedropping in Business Week comes to mind for some strange reason I just can't put my finger on).

I asked you to treat reading right, but here you are stabbing it the in the face instead while shit-stirring. That's a bad Mr.Kitty. Bad!

Look kid, I'm not going to repeat myself. If you're too slow, just read my posts again and then maybe you'll get a clue. It's all there, if you'll still have trouble, try a few years from now.


Montez, true, but it still makes you wonder

 

[RPG of the year!!]

Look kid, I'm not going to repeat myself. If you're too slow, just read my posts again and then maybe you'll get a clue. It's all there, if you'll still have trouble, try a few years from now.

I took a swing at re-reading them, but I only got as far as the post where you flamed me while self-admittedly failing to comprehend...

what the hell it is that you're trying to say?

...The point, despite it being explaned to you multiple times in progressingly higher degrees of detail, before I was overwhelmed by a sense of futility. I now hang my head in shame as an abject failure, and simply ask you to end my life.

Do it, do it! I am unfit to be!

 

[Brother None]

By the way, what did Briosafreak mean in the first place? That Fallout 3 can only be made FP/RT because of its engine, or that Bethesda will never chose to make an ISO/TB game with Fallout 3?

That the design decision of FP/RT for Fallout 3 has been locked. Briosafreak was citing VDweller on that.

However, those are unsourced, unverifiable rumours, which might just as well be a bunch of Bethesda guys fucking with his head. I tend to believe VDweller over Desslock, but only because VDweller's unverifiability does not outweight Desslock's lack of professional neutrality. But to be honest, I believe neither one blindly.

I don't want to put words in his mouth, but he probably meant both.

He didn't. Because the engine *doesn't* limit to FP/RT.

Sanyek, RPG of the Year, there are some real arguments spread over your posts (more of them in RPG of the Year's ones than Sanyek's), but mostly I just see name-calling being slugged back and forth. Drop the ad hominems and stick to arguments. Sanyek; if you don't actually have a point to make in defense of Desslock's position as a neutral party than *do not reply*.

 

[VDweller]

But to be honest, I believe neither one blindly.

When the facts are absent, it's the best position.

 

[sanyok21]

Well, anyway this is the final year of being in the dark

 

[King of Creation]

The next issue is in the stands February 15 (Thursday).

A special rank for the first person to get us scans.

If you give the scans to me at DAC first, you'll get your own subforum to do with what you will

 

[Sarkus]

Can't this Desslock tell facts? Is he kind of an oracle that we have to interpret his words? I do not like that.

Desslock is a long-time reviewer and writer. He currently writes a regular RPG column for "PC Gamer" (US) magazine.

He apparently was given access to Fallout 3 and allowed to say a few things about it in his column but was presumably sworn to secrecy by Bethesda about what all he saw or was told. It's not uncommon for gaming media members to be given info and then be told to hold it until cleared to release it.

As a result he can't really say very much. I'm actually surprised that he made the statement he did.