Well, I originally thought that Donte was merely a stupid douchebag, but after watching those leaked cutscenes, I can confirm that he is probably one of the worst designated heroes I have ever seen. I mean, what other "hero" would beat a helpless woman and threaten to kill her if he doesn't get what he wants, kill said woman anyway, have his brother snipe her child, brag about it to her husband, and than kill him? I guess this writing is just 2edgy4me.
Devil May Cry
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It's fine because they're demons and demons are rich people.
GET IT, HIP AND CURRENT!
GET IT, HIP AND CURRENT!
pyroD
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This is starting to sound like a completely different Dante than the original. And since when does Virgil have a sniper rifle? He doesn't even believe in guns.
That's why people call them Donte and Vorgil, rather than their actual names, because Tameem wanted to write hamfisted and edgy shit. I mean, they COULD'VE pulled off Vorgil killing her by, at the end, showing that Mundus wasn't any worse than any human is and that all Vorgil wanted was his power and used Donte as a means to an end to get it by having him murder Mundus. But NOPE, Donte joins in on the babykilling fun and brags how Mundus Jr exploded into chunks right to Mundus' face, because fuck empathy, that's a tool of the 1%, man. And than Donte fights Vorgil only because "I WON'T LET YOU BECOME THE MAN, MAN!"pyroD said:
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But best title ever!
pyroD said:
They *are* two different characters. This isn't a prequel, it's a completely different setting, which honestly mostly just reuses name and some of the iconography.
Stanislao Moulinsky
Vault Fossil
http://www.siliconera.com/2013/02/0...llion-copies-forecast-lowered-to-1-2-million/
So they have gone from rebooting the franchise to reach a wider audience (mentioning games that sell 4-5 millions), to expecting 2 millions sales by march 31, to 1.2 millions shipped copies (a mere additional 200k on top of the original shipment) by march 31.
Motohide Eshiro: Well, taking Devil May Cry 4 as an example, including the PC versions we sold 2.7 million of that particular game, but we looked at the market and saw that there were other action games selling four million, five million, all these copies.
One of our goals for this game is to create something new and fresh that keeps the old fans but also catches new people, so that we can increase our overall appeal, our sales and our audience.
Well, objective accomplished, I'd say.
So they have gone from rebooting the franchise to reach a wider audience (mentioning games that sell 4-5 millions), to expecting 2 millions sales by march 31, to 1.2 millions shipped copies (a mere additional 200k on top of the original shipment) by march 31.
Motohide Eshiro: Well, taking Devil May Cry 4 as an example, including the PC versions we sold 2.7 million of that particular game, but we looked at the market and saw that there were other action games selling four million, five million, all these copies.
One of our goals for this game is to create something new and fresh that keeps the old fans but also catches new people, so that we can increase our overall appeal, our sales and our audience.
Well, objective accomplished, I'd say.
Well, knowing Capcom, this is going to be the last we see of Dante for a while if this is the case.
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
That's basically what happens. And Dante only joins in on making fun of Mundus heir because they need to piss him off to get him away from the Hellgate and that's basically the only thing they have by that point.OakTable said:
I respect people complaining about the mechanics in relation to the old ones, yeah they are dumbed down and the flow of combat is slower, there is not as much customization as the later titles. But when people start complaining about the new story, basically making up and ingnoring what actually happens, and pretending like the original DMCs had anythign other than a intentionally rubbish story is just laughable, I am sorry.
UncannyGarlic
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Well we do have to take into account that digital distribution probably beefs those numbers up significantly but it's hard to say exactly how much. Keeping an eye on it's sale price is probably the best indicator of how well it's doing.Stanislao Moulinsky said:
I personally plan on buying it in a Steam sale at some point later this year (probably Xmas), along with the XCom GOTY.
Walpknut said:
I agree completely. The game at least HAS a story, and it's not half-bad either. And decent voice-acting, too.
As for mechanics, it may not be good enough for the "too hardcore for my pants" crowd, but for me it's FUN, and that's what matters most
Stanislao Moulinsky
Vault Fossil
UncannyGarlic said:
Mh...you think so? I wouldn't be so sure. For reference the excellent port of DMC4 sold in two years less than 200k copies.
Ausdoerrt said:
Personally I find it terrible. At least the past games had entertaining cutscenes.
As for mechanics, it may not be good enough for the "too hardcore for my pants" crowd, but for me it's FUN, and that's what matters most
Mh... What's your opinion on Fallout 3 in regards to the franchise?
DMC3 maybe. 4 was stale as hell. I'm not saying the writing is stellar, but it's decent as compared to horrible.Stanislao Moulinsky said:
I'm not a diehard fan of DMC so this doesn't apply. Also DmC doesn't alter the core principles as mechanics, just tweaks some minor details, so the comparison isn't a good one. Finally, FO3 as a game in its own right was a buggy, ugly, boring mess while DmC isn't. That's why I disliked FO3, and not because it wasn't FO2 or Van Buren. Not every reboot/reimagining is bad, you know.
Anyway, if you watch TotalBiscuit's "WTF is..." on the game, he pretty much sums up my feelings about the game. And I agree with him that the die-hard fans should rather hate Capcom for refusing to make a proper sequel, rather than Ninja Theory for making a bad game. Because it isn't a bad game.
P.S. It's also the first ever DMC game that has a proper PC port, and I like that. It's even playable with M+Key, ffs!
Stanislao Moulinsky
Vault Fossil
Ausdoerrt said:
Yes, it does. I wanted to know if you don't care for the bastardization of a series as long as it isn't one you aren't invested in or not.
Minor details is an understatement. DmC isn't a Third Person Shooter or something like that but the difference is tangible. But as I said it wasn't meant to be a 1:1 comparison.
Oh, I do "hate" capcom for their stupidity but I do think that DmC has a lot of problems, including especially what should be the most important part (combat of course). It's terrible? No. It's great? No again.
DMC4 had a proper PC port.
The thing is though, one can only take it with so much enmity if he is invested in it. To others it's not "bastardization", just change. Probably not as significant as it seems to those who are.Stanislao Moulinsky said:
I think a closer analogy would be comparing NWN1 and NWN2. Different studios, approaches, and vision - same core principles.
Well, combat ain't perfect but it plays well enough for an average-level player. Probably too simplified for the hardcore players. I was quoting TB more for his take on the story elements, though. And from personal experience, while the story is basic, at least the characters are fairly relatable and at some point you begin to care for them.
Nay, it had an acceptable PC port. DmC, on the other hand, has a good one.
Stanislao Moulinsky
Vault Fossil
Ausdoerrt said:
I've read this kind of comment multiple times (not only in regard to DmC) and I'll never understand why this is supposed to be inherently better.
What makes the DMC4 port accettable and the DmC good exactly?
Well, characters written in a way where you kind of care about them and what happens to them shows a level of commitment to writing and developing them that's higher than cardboard cutouts delivering questionably entertaining punchlines. Besides, I find it more fun personally to be actually interested in the story.Stanislao Moulinsky said:I've read this kind of comment multiple times (not only in regard to DmC) and I'll never understand why this is supposed to be inherently better.
A wider variety of graphics options, and full-fledged, playable mouse+keyboard support, fully rebindable controls - all of this makes this iteration a technically superior port. It's really nice to see a PC port where any gamer can just install, jump in and play without having to jump through any hoops beforehand.What makes the DMC4 port accettable and the DmC good exactly?
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
OakTable said:
If you consider a Demon that tried to kill him beforehand, is carrying the Antichrist that doesn't even seem to need to be inside in Limbo, and ordered the deah of millions as a "Helpless woman", and Virgil acting without consulting the other 2 and killing the antichrist even though Dante was not planning on killing her and actually just wanted to rescue Kat as him ordering Virgil to do it. Well then maybe people should stop modifying everything to acomodate to their tantrum, specially if it's an outright lie.
Stanislao Moulinsky
Vault Fossil
Ausdoerrt said:
Yes, but why is that supposed to be inherently superior to characters or stories written just for entertainment? That's like saying that Adam West's Batman is worse than The Dark Knight Returns when they are just two different things.
Not talking of DmC here, in general.
Ausdoerrt said:
Why would you play a game like this without a pad...?
Walpknut
This ghoul has seen it all
Stanislao Moulinsky said:
I agree with you on that, but then why do people would care even if all the lies and corruption of the plot of DmC were true? You don't need to care or like the character, then why would it matter if Dante is a douche?
Stanislao Moulinsky
Vault Fossil
Walpknut said:
I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here (I'm italian, have mercy). :S
But the fact that I don't need to care for the character doesn't mean that I don't have to like him. I found old Dante amusing and funny and the new one just...unremarkable, as a whole.