Fallout 2 heteronormativity

Vergil said:
I dont really get why its called "homophobia" or "transphobia". I could easily beat the shit out of some limp wristed faggot in a dress, Im not afraid of them. :P
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I once saw this guy get his ass beat by a dragqueen. It was hot. All I'm going to say on the subject is... If most straight men Sat down on a dick they'd probably cry.
 
I know I'm new here but this thread sparked my attention, I read the first few posts and I love how one of the members here used primitive societies which never developed much as an argument for there being "successful" Matriarchal societies which Vergil aptly pointed out were quite primitive and never advanced through that stage. I know people (liberals) like to argue against biology and social constructs, but I have never seen in history, a successful advanced civilization which prospered and was also a matriarchal society, men ruled over women and men ruled society BECAUSE They could not because they made some bullshit social constructs and women automatically started following them and had the power to be just as good as men in things that men are good at, men are good at those things because NATURE has made men like that, even now in modern times people like to use female fighters as examples of "STRONG AND EMPOWERED" (fucking buzzword) females where they forget the fact that every single one of them if compared to their male counterparts who are equally as trained would completely annihilate them in a fight, men genetically have a more robust bone structure compared to women and twice as much testosterone.
 
Cyberyn said:
the truth is that most gays are rampantly promiscuous degenerates.
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To be fair, it's there sex lives.

If people want to have casual sex now and then, surely that's there choice. I mean yeah, I agree that monogamy is better, but I don't really see why we should care what other people get up to in there own sex lives.
 
FalloutIsMyDrug said:
Also, homophobia is not the fear of homosexuality, but the prejudice against it. I know, counterintuitive.
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A phobia is an INVOLUNTARY thing, it's not something rational and generally not something you can control. But regressives do so love to redefine words so, like other words (racism for example), it's lost all meaning now.

So yes, homophobia, REAL homophobia, not just 'a dislike of gay people', is an irrational fear of gay people. Prejudice, on the other hand, is a voluntary, wilful thing. There's nothing counter-intuitive about it, if you're not trying to redefine words to fit an agenda/narrative (talking in general, not specifically you, just FYI).
 
Vergil said:
Well
A: Spreads diseaee
B: Spreads the notion that its ok to be a promiscous slut
C: Makes it very hard to find a partner that isnt a disease spreadin slut. ;p
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Of course I always think safe sex is important to try and take as many precautions to stopping diseases as possible.

Really, I think most people will lean towards monogamy anyway, but that the choice should be ultimately up to the individual how they want to lead there lives.
 
Radiosity said:
A phobia is an INVOLUNTARY thing, it's not something rational and generally not something you can control. But regressives do so love to redefine words so, like other words (racism for example), it's lost all meaning now.

So yes, homophobia, REAL homophobia, not just 'a dislike of gay people', is an irrational fear of gay people. Prejudice, on the other hand, is a voluntary, wilful thing. There's nothing counter-intuitive about it, if you're not trying to redefine words to fit an agenda/narrative (talking in general, not specifically you, just FYI).
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Woah, slow down there. No need to get in a hissy fit. I was just stating that the definition of the word was counterintuitive to it's structure. I didn't coin/define the term.

Yes, some definitions of the word include that it could mean an irrational fear of homosexuals, but that is not commonly used in speech.
 
On a serious note, I think Fallout has a serious issue with sex in general. It's like there's this Junior High "Okay, it happens, fade to black" sensibility which is weird. I'm not necessarily asking for Dragon Age: Inquisition or Witcher 2 nudity or sex scenes but it's strange that you could get married (heterosexual or otherwise), have sex with prostitutes, or become a porn star in Fallout 2.

But sex is a lengthy quest or Easter Egg to hunt in the other games.

"Bring 21 vault suits to Sarah for some bisexual nookie!"

I mean...wha?
 
CT Phipps said:
On a serious note, I think Fallout has a serious issue with sex in general. It's like there's this Junior High "Okay, it happens, fade to black" sensibility which is weird. I'm not necessarily asking for Dragon Age: Inquisition or Witcher 2 nudity or sex scenes but it's strange that you could get married (heterosexual or otherwise), have sex with prostitutes, or become a porn star in Fallout 2.

But sex is a lengthy quest or Easter Egg to hunt in the other games.

"Bring 21 vault suits to Sarah for some bisexual nookie!"

I mean...wha?
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Wait, are you saying you think the sex is too easily obtainable or do you just not like the black screen(both?)?

How else would you prefer the sequence, especially in the older games? If you want fleshed out scenes you can go to Loverslab. Or maybe you would prefer Fable style sex where you get moaning to go with your black screen. :shrug:

As for the ease of access to sex, I don't think prostitutes would be picky in the wasteland when you have plenty of cash. Also, if you play a female and you present yourself, of course you are going to find a lot of takers. In any society, especially non-puritan, males are very open to quick sex. Males are biologically inclined to this kind of sexual behavior due to human nature.
 
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FalloutIsMyDrug said:
Wait, are you saying you think the sex is too easily obtainable or do you just not like the black screen(both?)? How else would you prefer the sequence, especially in the older games? If you want fleshed out scenes you can go to Loverslab. Or maybe you would prefer Fable style sex where you get moaning to go with your black screen. :shrug:
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Basically, I'm saying sex is this weird thing which doesn't seem to exist in Fallout unless you look really really hard for it. I think the games would benefit if it had a more prominent role. Romanceable companions were a step in the right direction, albeit a small one.

But I think it'd be fun to have more optional encounters, a return of the Flirtation Perks, and maybe some more mature storylines involving it.
 
FalloutIsMyDrug said:
Woah, slow down there. No need to get in a hissy fit. I was just stating that the definition of the word was counterintuitive to it's structure. I didn't coin/define the term.

Yes, some definitions of the word include that it could mean an irrational fear of homosexuals, but that is not commonly used in speech.
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> some definitions

Nope. there is precisely one. Count it, ONE.

"an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something."

There is no room there for interpretation.
 
This is like the gender thing all over again. No, gender isn't what genitals you have, it's just a social construct.
 
Radiosity said:
> some definitions

Nope. there is precisely one. Count it, ONE.

"an extreme or irrational fear of or aversion to something."

There is no room there for interpretation.
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That's the definition of phobia, not homophobia. Many words in modern English are not strictly bound by the textbook meaning of their suffix. Many words also have multiple definitions. Most sources define homophobia by both meanings, but the use of homophobia as representing prejudice against homosexuals is more commonly used.
 
Yeah, arguing about semantics like they're set in stone is so dishonest and useless.

"But X only used to mean Y!"
Yeah, well, welcome to the real world, where language is constantly evolving.

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I used to be like that about language but then overtime I came to realize words mean what we say they mean. And by 'we' I mean the majority.
 
Yeah, language is evolving that's true, but when language is used and changed for politics... I guess that happens all the time.
 
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