Fallout 2 mod Fallout 2 Restoration Project Discussion (ideas/suggestions)

Discussion in 'Fallout General Modding' started by killap, Mar 22, 2006.

  1. Touquet

    Touquet Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Apr 20, 2007
    :help:

    Afther installing the patch, I have the rock near Flint who said that it's install but I can see on my map the Abbey or the Den residential area...

    Is there something I've not done properly ?
     
  2. Dravean

    Dravean Where'd That 6th Toe Come From?

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    Mar 6, 2005
    Yes, you've failed to notice that Killap's expansion patch has not yet been released. The patch you are using is his bug fix patch, which fixes hundreds of bugs, but does not add any new areas.
     
  3. Touquet

    Touquet Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    328
    Apr 20, 2007
    DoH !! :crazy:

    :naughty: Still to improve my english understanding then... :violent:
    Somebody; slap me !!
     
  4. Bofast

    Bofast Look, Ma! Two Heads!

    325
    Jan 26, 2006
    Hey Killap, I just dropped you an e-mail with the dialog you wanted. I hope it meets your standards, that it's not too late (even though you seem to be working on the beta testing) and that I didn't accidentally attach the wrong file or something :P

    I sure am expecting a master-piece from you, Beardude! :D
     
  5. AJ Rimmer Bsc.Ssc.

    AJ Rimmer Bsc.Ssc. First time out of the vault

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    Aug 11, 2007
    this is why the sun shines a little brighter these days....

    many thanks for all your hard work killap.
     
  6. SorgFall

    SorgFall Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jul 2, 2007
    But do you know where she was supposed to appear - or are you inputing it completely on your own?
     
  7. killap

    killap Bear Dude Moderator Modder

    May 16, 2005
    Ah, good point. No, I don't know where she truly should be. I made a logical decision based on what Sulik tells the player though. So yes, I had to improvise here. Then again I had to improvise elsewhere. Locations like Abbey were planned, but no design docs were ever produced for them. Had to improvise there.
     
  8. SorgFall

    SorgFall Still Mildly Glowing

    220
    Jul 2, 2007
    Well that's exactly my point in regards to the two-level expansion suggestion. The first should contain the dully obvious fillups like exposing the Duntons, and the latter completely blatant improvisations to fill the game. Also, I think that when some time in the future Van Buren is relieved, you'll have to pull out the quest for Sulik's sister. :S

    Please reconsider my proposal. Best regards.
     
  9. Ringadon Blue

    Ringadon Blue First time out of the vault

    8
    Jul 30, 2007
    sounds great

    This looks like it's gonna be awesome!! I can't wait. Keep up the good work killap and everyone else working on this project!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
     
  10. SorgFall

    SorgFall Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jul 2, 2007
    2 new locations

    I thought about including Dayglow in the expansion, but as a new location, it would demand loads of work.

    Maxson also sounds attractive, but unlike with Dayglow, the information provided is far too little to construct it, so I don't think it's quite possible.

    EDIT: Isn't the fact that Sulik never ever mentions the name of his sister to the player a little far too bizarre?
     
  11. killap

    killap Bear Dude Moderator Modder

    May 16, 2005
    Re: 2 new locations

    Ok, I don't believe any of this was supposed to be in Fallout 2. The Fallout Bible never mentioned them (afaik) being intended nor are there any partially done files for them.
     
  12. SorgFall

    SorgFall Still Mildly Glowing

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    Jul 2, 2007
    Re: 2 new locations

    The designers probably intended the two locations when they thought of the game, and never created them at all in the end. However, it is without doubt that they belong to the F2 universe.
     
  13. killap

    killap Bear Dude Moderator Modder

    May 16, 2005
    Re: 2 new locations

    Sure, there is much Fallout lore out there. This type of material is not something I will be including, however. My expansion, like I have said throughout this thread, is to include anything the devs wanted to include (ie they said, "yeah we wanted to do this but did not have enough time"). This includes areas the devs never got around to creating design docs for or locations/quests that were partially implemented but never finished all the way - ie cattle rustling quest.

    Also, to answer your question above about why Sulik never mentioned his sister's name, well again remember that the devs were strapped on time. Since Sulik's sister was getting cut from the game I don't think they found the need to ask the guy who did Sulik's voice for more dialog.
     
  14. SorgFall

    SorgFall Still Mildly Glowing

    220
    Jul 2, 2007
    Re: 2 new locations

    Well how will you then solve the problem?

    What makes you think that the devs didn't want to include Dayglow at all? They did - in the same manner like they, afterwards, decided not to develop the Abbey. Some things they dropped early on (like the intelligent Super Mutant boss at the Dayglow) and some later on in the game (like Kurisa, Sulik's sister). There's not much difference save for the fact that they actually partially completed the other ones.

    And I don't think that there's much of F2 to lore - I mean it's just two tiny locations (as opposed to many mysterious vaults that were never ever meant to be locations in the first place and are off-topic).
     
  15. MIB88

    MIB88 So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
    Modder

    Feb 22, 2005
    Re: 2 new locations

    If he asked 10 people what they thought should be in, he'd probably get 10 variations. So, I'm guessing the problem will be solved the same way it is always solved: the mod/patch creator (killap in this case) will put in what he has interpreted should be in there and what he would like to see.
     
  16. AJ Rimmer Bsc.Ssc.

    AJ Rimmer Bsc.Ssc. First time out of the vault

    38
    Aug 11, 2007
    Re: 2 new locations

    and so far his judgement has been superb.

    so i`ll keep my ideas to myself until asked :twisted:
    too many and the creator gets comfuffled.

    ps..i beg to disagree also,if he asked 10 people then he would in fact get 1000 variations or more,depending on his listening threshhold :wink:
     
  17. Mixnmojo

    Mixnmojo First time out of the vault

    17
    Jul 24, 2003
    Re: 2 new locations

    Jesus dude, you're like a little kid. How about you make the "2 tiny little maps" for yourself so you're finally satiated?

    Killap knows what he's doing. Ridiculously so.

    I don't think you do.
     
  18. diablo23

    diablo23 First time out of the vault

    6
    Aug 1, 2007
    what is the dayglow anyway?
     
  19. killap

    killap Bear Dude Moderator Modder

    May 16, 2005
    Re: 2 new locations

    Sure they might have wanted to include the Dayglow. Of course at first they probably wanted there to be 100 locations filled with NPCs all with their own personal dialog and talking heads. Uh-oh, reality and time constraints set in. My job is not to create a whole new Fallout 2 here. Like I have said I looked through the Fallout Bible and collected other tidbits of info where the devs said we were working on this and sadly "we ran out of time and had to pull them/leave them unfinished." I will not include things like "we had this idea at the beginning but as we got to work we realized it is not worth it/possible." Locations like the Abbey, Primitive Tribe, EPA, Vault Village already had specific locations on the world map as well as some basic outlines (the EPA more so) Thus, it is QUITE clear that the devs were without a doubt going to use these ideas but sadly could not get it done in time for shipping the game out. There is specific voiced dialog for Sulik regarding his sister. Clearly it was going to be in the game but they ran out of time. I believe some devs are even quoted as saying Sulik's sister was going to be in Fallout 2 but time was of the essence.

    I would love to give you users the options to choose what you want to install but you have to understand that the way Fallout files are organized and work it is not feasible. Thus, it will not happen.
     
  20. DoomKill2020

    DoomKill2020 First time out of the vault

    24
    Jun 5, 2006
    SorgFall, give it a rest. It's all great to say Killap should make two different patches and add all this oter stuff in, but its so easy to criticize isn't it? I mean i don't see you offering to do the mapping for DayGlow, you just order people to do things for you. Killap's been working on this for ages and i seriously doubt he's going to change it, jjst for you. And as far as Sulik's Sister goes, Killaps said he's got no interest in F3, so saying "You'll have to remove tha quest for F3" is stupid. :|