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  1. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    Haha I love the idea of a prank call to Vault 15! Do you know the reasons why that stuff was cut?

    I'm visiting my parents this weekend so I won't be playing.
     
  2. NotZak

    NotZak First time out of the vault

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    Jan 22, 2022
    Are there any plans for an English translation of Fallout Sonora?
     
  3. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    The project can be followed in this thread but I don't know how active it is.
     
  4. Alphons

    Alphons National Beholder

    Aug 9, 2017
    According to their Discord they had some problems, but are still making progress.

    In the worst case scenario it'll be done in the late 2023. There's almost no chance it'll be released earlier than late 2022- early 2023.
     
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  5. NotZak

    NotZak First time out of the vault

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    Jan 22, 2022
    Good to know
     
  6. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    What's the maximum amount of speech and science you need in Nevada? I have both at 100 currently...
     
  7. Alphons

    Alphons National Beholder

    Aug 9, 2017
    Honestly, no idea. Huge number of later checks are hybrids- for example fixing arcade machine in Vegas checks for a sum of your Science, Repair and Gambling.
    Signing Cola contracts and buying a license is determined by your Charisma, Barter and Speech.

    There's certain secret Energy Weapon that needs to be repaired before it can be used and it requires over 100 Science (plus Repair and parts).
     
  8. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    Very well! I think I will keep them at 100 for now and prioritize other skills in the meantime.
     
  9. Irradiated Rat

    Irradiated Rat First time out of the vault

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    Jan 27, 2022
    This is part of why discovering older games and their communities is so fun. What a cool idea, and I had no idea there was such an active modding community for Fallout 2. I am close to finishing the main quest of Fallout 1 Fixt, and while I don't want to delve into big conversion mods for the series until I've at least played all the way through 1 & 2, I will certainly be happy to share my general thoughts on my experience with the original title after in the near future.
     
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  10. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    That sounds like a great plan and we're happy to hear your thoughts on your way thorugh Fallout 1 & 2.

    Fallout 1 is the next game for me after I've completed Fallout: Nevada. I will play it using Et Tu however. Check this out before you start Fallout 2.
     
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  11. Irradiated Rat

    Irradiated Rat First time out of the vault

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    Jan 27, 2022
    Long post about my first ever playthrough thoughts on Fallout/Fallout Fixt incoming.

    So recently I have just completed my first ever playthrough of the original Fallout. I chose to jump straight into using Fixt for my first time playing since I knew the added conveniences, improvements, and bug fixes were likely to be more valuable than getting a 100% "pure" experience. Below are my answers to the questions posed in this thread, mixed with my general thoughts:

    1. Going into the game what were you looking forward to?
    I decided to pick up Fallout on a bit of a whim. It was on sale through GoG and I had always wanted to give it a shot as a fan of turn-based RPGs and atmospheric adventure games. Going in I wasn't sure what to expect, I really just hoped for an interesting adventure that offered a look into the original Fallout world with the chance for alot of compelling interactions and combat encounters.

    2. After having completed it what did you think of the game?
    My thoughts on the original Fallout are definitely a bit mixed (especially in regards to the late game), but still mostly positive overall. I absolutely adored the complex conversations one could get into, and the game's propensity for realistic problem solving was a wonderfully fresh change of pace from most modern games. However the combat, especially near the end of the game, felt far too luck based. Leading to fights that either felt too easy or too hard.

    3. What would you improve?
    This is a big one. I feel there are alot of improvements to be made to the game, both the core experience and the polish and refinement of the overall package. Firstly as stated above, I think the combat encounters near the end of the game could have been significantly improved on. Fighting a few super mutants is actually alot of fun, but the sheer amount thrown at you in places like the military base and Master hideout was a little ridiculous. Combined with the latter having you be accompanied by a bunch of followers wielding little more than spears, I was getting stuck in rooms from them blocking the path consistently. Critical hits were also a massive frustration. Needing to reload again and again against two super mutants wielding laser rifles because one crit from either of them was basically death, was not enjoyable. It also doesn't help that I was determined to keep my companions alive for this playthough, and Dogmeat constantly getting in the way of gatling fire and being shredded meant alot more of that reloading. A much better mix between enemy numbers, and a much better balanceing of the critical system was definitely needed, as many fights either felt like a complete cakewalk, or a test of luck subverted by planning.

    On top of that, I definitely think there could be alot of tweaks to the dialogue system. It not being clear when you'll only have one chance of questioning available, some people attacking you upon merely talking to them, the multiple bugs I encountered with quest flag orders locking me out of some options, and the inherent unsatisfying nature of dialogue checks being a dice roll rather than a flat threshold to overcome, forced me to save before speaking to pretty much anyone after awhile. And since you can't save during dialogue, this often meant speeding though longer conversation trees if I was unlucky or said the wrong thing. More clear conveyance to the player as to what exactly the consequences are for who and how you speak to someone, would have gone a long way. The options you had for conversation was great, but the actual gameplay aspect of it can be obtuse and frustrating. Junktown's quest to try and save Sherry could be made impossible just from speaking to the wrong guy at a bar for instance. And completing quests in the wrong order can lock you out of certain rewards and resolutions. Such as saving the Brotherhood initiate before talking to Talius and Michael for the first time, can lock you out of the Brotherhood armor. Completing the gun runners quest to kill the deathclaws before taking on Razor's quest, can mean you no longer have the option for their help in the fight against the Regulators. The latter isn't so bad since you can still take them on alone fairly easily, but for the former, I had to use a cheat software to give myself the improved combat armor to give to Tycho. I also ended up destroying the Khans on my way back from vault 15, this caused a glitch where Tandi vanished from my game. She wasn't at Shady Sands nor the raider base, so my headcanon is that she basically fulfilled her wish to leave town and ended up bringing back more people to Shady Sands, as we hear of in the good ending. Basically, alot of issues with conveying things properly to the player as to what and when to do things. A better mix of endgame weapons would have helped too. Having the objectively best weapon in the game be an energy weapon made it feel like I had to completely change my weapon build by the end of the adventure.

    4. What's your thoughts on the main quest?
    This one's alot shorter. I actually really like the main quest. The overseer was a great character that felt genuinely concerned for his fellow vault dwellers, even to a fault as we see in the game. This made me actually care a bit more about finding the water chip and destroying the mutants. And the fact that the chip's location can be discerned or even just stumbled across was really cool. Buying a holotape that told me of a vault with fresh water, going there, and actually finding it for myself was really satisfying. And the moral opportunity for when you do find it is nice as well. Even after that as you are tasked with destroying the mutants, uncovering more about them and their creation organically was also really investing. The main quest made me feel like I was the one progressing things and uncovering things for myself.

    5. If old, does the game still hold up in 2022?
    Honestly I'd have to say yes and no. The core of the game's systems work well enough to be fun and enjoyable, but the issues mentioned above definitely lead to an experience that will require alot of patience. The lack of any detailed quest progression also means you'll have to stay very aware of which quests require what, especially if the quest giver won't talk to you in detail again. But the freedom and lack of handholding are certainly a welcome change of pace in the modern gaming space, and the amount of freedom offered for a game released in 97 is still impressive today. The presentation is also something I was taken a bit aback by. The voice acting is arguably better than more recent Fallout games, the artstyle has held up well for me, and the quips from teammates about certain locations was a little treat when they appeared.

    6. What's the game's strengths and weaknesses?
    Probably not hard to guess if you've read my post so far, but the game assuredly excels at immersion and worldbuilding. Meeting people, exploring and scavenging, uncovering lore, and getting lost in the world is definitely the best part of the game. Conversely, the dated table-top dice role mechanics and the lack of proper informing of the player of certain decisions or mechanics hold the experience back. When you're just getting lost in the world, the game is a blast, but the moment the game has to start being an actual game, the cracks definitely show.

    7. What would you like to change in the game?
    On top of the issues mentioned above, there are some more personal grievances I wouldn't mind tweaking. The Master permanently lowering your special stats isn't well telegraphed at all. Instead of having characters talk about this quality, you get a single chance to notice it in the hallway leading up to him. And how to stop it from happening is not clear at all without research. At that point of the game it probably won't matter much, but if you want to keep questing afterwards (like Fixt allows you to) I can definitely see how that could be seen as cheap. Other than that, I think experience could be more prevalent. I spent more or less all my perks getting long term benefits like educated, swift learner, lifegiver, and tag. I hadn't realized that level 16 or so, in a game with a max level of 21, would be the highest level realistically possible. So I missed alot of cool more impactful perks. Pro-tip to other new players, outside of educated, don't make the same mistake I did with perk selection. Also more options for endgame weaponry would help to make each weapon playstyle feel viable in the later areas. More locations with radiation would have been appreciated too. Outside of The Glow, it felt like there was never another time I needed any radiation meds.

    8. What build did you use during your play-through?
    For my first playthrough, I decided to go for a generalist scavenger build. SPECIAL was S-5|P-6|E-5|C-3|I-9|A-6|L-6. Traits were small frame and bloody mess (though my karma was too high for the special ending, and good too since I actually liked the overseer here). And tag skills were small guns, lockpick, and outdoorsman, with energy weapons being added later. I ended the game with all the companions, and thanks to Fixt, I was able to customize them all by the end with Katja wearing a backup power armor suit and wielding a minigun (maybe not the best idea with Dogmeat). Ian was a beast with the .233 pistol. And Tycho was my chosen sniper wielding a rifle. I played a moral character and I think all things considered it worked out fine.

    8. What's your weapon of choice?
    The SMG was my early game weapon of choice, that transitioned into the .233 pistol before I got the sniper rifle. By the end I was using the turbo plasma rifle (obviously) and my backup sniper rifle. Though I was lucky enough to run into Bob's Pre-Owned Car Mart and got to use the Red Ryder LE a little bit too. All served me well and were fun to use.

    9. Describe your favourite quest and why you like it!
    My favorite quest is hard to say, saving people in Junktown was fun, but I think the most memorable quest was definitely when I went to The Glow. After reading the paladin's holotape, I knew that managing power may help me avoid fights, so although a little tedious I made sure to always disable power before heading further down in the elevators. And let me tell you seeing that actually pay off by allowing me to basically destroy the disabled security bots for free XP made me feel like the game was actually rewarding me for my planning and critical thinking. And meeting ZAX for a conversation and a history lesson on the mutants was fun. It was also cool to be able to shut the power off, head up to him, and realize I could now access the mainframe. Did I mention I love how this game rewards critical thinking?

    10. What's your favourite location in the game?
    The glow and Junktown are definitely solid contenders, but Bob's Car Mart actually made me chuckle a little too. The music at the Brotherhood of Steel base really stuck with me though thanks to the sirens in the soundtrack giving a very ominous tone. So I guess a little of all these is the best answer I can give.

    11. What ending did you strive for/get?
    I didn't expressly aim for any particular ending, other than the fact that I know I wanted to use speech to defeat The Master, which I did. I did do my best to help everyone as best I could though, and I definitely got the best outcome for everyone as far as I know. Shady Sands prospered, Junktown was turned into a law-abiding town, the raiders were defeated, the ghouls of Necropolis turned into a big water merchant force, the Brotherhood helped reclaim the wastes, The Followers took control of L.A Boneyard, and it seems like I got the best possible good ending.

    12. If the game is on Steam then write a sentence that would catch the NMA perception of it and that we could use for our Steam curator.
    I haven't been a part of the community long enough to answer this properly I feel, so I'll just give my own personal tagline: The original Fallout is a flawed but engaging look into the original interpretation of the wasteland. While it can be obtuse and punishing, it remains a clear example of the power of free-formed story progression and rewards the player at every turn for truly thinking about every action they take. Enhance your experience with the Fixt mod for the best Fallout 1 playthrough.

    Final thoughts: Overall, I'm really glad I stuck with this game and finally experienced it. After playing, it's clear why the series took off in the hearts and minds of fans. And even though it's not for everyone, those with a love for Fallout and the patience for an older RPG can definitely find alot to love here. As my character walked out into the wastes during the ending, with Ian, Dogmeat, Tycho, and Katja in tow. I really felt satisfied. Now as I look into modding and playing Fallout 2 for the first time, I'm certainly excited as to how that will play out. Fallout 1 is a tarnished but still beautiful gem to be found in these irradiated wastes.
     
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  12. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    It's really valuable to get such a lengthy and detailed post from someone who has just played Fallout 1 for the first time. Thank you for that! I agree with most of your criticisms. I haven't played Fallout 1 since 2009/10 so I'm really looking forward to play it again and see how it stands. Afterall, it was the game that started it all!

    You're also the first one to fill out the questionnaire. Could we improve it?

    In your case I think you are doing right by playing Fallout 2 before the total conversion mods since you would probably enjoy those more after having experienced the original games first. As mentioned above you should check this thread out before going into the sequel. You can choose to play using an unofficial patch (UP) or play with restored content that was missing from the game on launch (RP). Fallout 2 starts with a bullshit tutorial area called The Temple of Trials. But once you're done with the temple the game gets better. For me the game becomes good once you arrive in The Den, which is a really Fallouty location.
     
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  13. Alphons

    Alphons National Beholder

    Aug 9, 2017
    One thing to note- Fallout 2 is a long game. And the Restoration Patch adds even more, including extra steps to the main quest.

    It's mostly good content (some average), but getting burned out by a game definitely sours the experience.
     
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  14. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    There's a lot of cases in Fallout: Nevada where, as far as I can tell, you don't receive any xp as a quest reward. For example I just helped Travis and his family escape Reno. For that I got 340 xp for killing the pursuers and then I could loot them obviously, but no additional xp. What's up with that game design and is that a common thing in Fallout 1&2 as well?
     
  15. Irradiated Rat

    Irradiated Rat First time out of the vault

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    Jan 27, 2022
    You're welcome. Fallout 1, while flawed, is definitely a worthy start to the series even with my criticisms. As for your questionnaire, I think you covered alot of good talking points. While some questions could maybe be better differentiated, such as "what would you improve" and "what would you like to change in the game", those can still have potentially different detailed answers.

    And thank you for being the first to introduce me to RPU, I actually made a post detailing all the mods and what character I'm going to be using for Fallout 2. Feel free to give your thoughts on that. :)
     
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  16. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    Let's hope you'll get some input on that!


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    Have you encountered The Nevada Hopes Café special encounter in Fallout: Nevada with a man running around screaming it's all a dream?

    e: I found that @Alphons has put info about the special encounter here. However @Keyboard Gecko teases another item at the café.
     
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  17. Keyboard Gecko

    Keyboard Gecko Fallout: Nevada translation is updated.

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    Jan 15, 2018
    Yeah, you have to
    talk to Blackdesigner.
     
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  18. Lone_Wanderer51

    Lone_Wanderer51 First time out of the vault

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    Jan 19, 2022
    You'll find during that encounter a "syringe" and you can use it on the "screaming" guy, don't remember if it gives you any XP or reward though ... I will continue my playthrough of Nevada tomorrow, I was playing another mod on a different Fallout. I've also started an Olympus 2077 playthrough, but when I escape Olympus it's a far more dangerous wasteland (Radius), but I will write my thoughts on a different post about this mod (since it uses Fallout 2 engine, art design, game mechanic ... well it really look and play as Fallout, but it's not "related")

    Fallout 1 is the perfect Fallout, is just too short ... The Mariposa base and Cathedral are so nice to complete (sometimes I wish I'd never played the game just to live the same level of happiness when I've completed the game for the first time). The Turbo Plasma Rifle is such an enjoyable weapon ... melting Super Mutants, or critically destroying Lieutenant for 585 hit points with a Minigun, toasting the Children of the Cathedral in their lab with the Flamethrower ... so sweet. Convincing The Master of the "error" of "his ways", and of course for anyone who plays Fallout 1 for the first time and doesn't know anything about it, do yourself a favor and take the "Bloody Mess" trait, trust me.
     
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  19. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    Hehe that item sure was good!
     
  20. Proletären

    Proletären Vault Fossil
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    Mar 15, 2012
    I don't want to become a raider, in the end I want to help the Indians in Lovelock. Where on the Big Louie questline should I stop and start a raider killing spree?

    :razz:

    Agreed but the honest answer is that I don't have the time right now to just explore and experience. Since I'm short on time I must do it the lame way. This time.
     
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