Fallout 3 pirated, videos spread

[Oakraven]

You might want to look up an outfit known as the 442nd Infantry Regiment. Seems the US goverment had no compunctions AGAINST useing people whos familys it had locked up in concentration camps.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

The rad roaches appear at way too convient of a time and it's pretty stupid, but that's a generic bad plot twist.

Well, they probably slipped into the vault while your dad was leaving it.

I'm sure that's the case but it still doesn't make any sense. What, they all ignored your father and went for every other living being in the place? How did so many get in, did your father leave his exit open (this could work except that they swarmed [would need something like bad weather])? Where are the rad roaches when you leave? That tunnel is pretty empty.

Blizzard doesn't have any experience with RPGs so I'd be hesitant but not dismissive. Still, wouldn't make the number one choice on my list.

Diablo was an ARPG but still, Blizzard didnt have any experience in MMOs too but WoW turned out to be a great product.

I just said that because Blizzard is one of the companies who "knows" what it is doing.

MMOs are basically Diablo (rougelike) designed to be addicting above all else, Diablo was designed to be fun above all else.

blizzard has incredibly high standards and would not release something like bethesda's fallout 3, plain and simple. even if they had jack shit experience in rpgs of the fallout name they would deliver a quality product rest assured.

Well they would release quallity or nothing, they have scrapped some of their projects which didn't turn out well (SC: Ghost, WC: Adventures) so you may get nothing but I agree.

Not to mention the fact that Blizzard has 3 original Fallout devs more than Bethesda does (which is 3).

True, I had frogotten that.

Todd and Pete fans? Eh, maybe. What I mean is I think someone high up in the company had to have been a fan in order for the purchase to get the green light or even be thrown on the table.

No, just wanted a universally praised serries with an entirely different setting than TES in order to expand Bethesda's portfolio. BN (I think?) had a good explanation for this in another thread.

Also, fans rarely agree on the topic of their fandom. Take D&D for example. There are alot of people who consider the older versions to be amazing and the new 4th edition to be nothing but bound, knocked off, world of warcraft esk pig shit. And there are gamers who think that 4th ed is the greatest thing ever and it's the game they allways wanted.

D&D is a bad example because while the mechanics have been altered, they have been done so in order to balance the game and make it flow better (no more 4 hour long battles) but keeps the core intact. Also, the complaints about D&D no longer being D&D have been made in every change back to the very start, and the complaint that it's turning it into a video game were made when 3rd edition (which was crap) were released aswell. Besides which, D&D hasn't changed genres or even subgenres, Fallout 3 clearly has.

 

[Brother None]

Heh, you guys are missing quite possibly the worst line from all the footage shown so far.

The new Brotherhood of Steel greeting:
"Steel be with you"

 

[Oakraven]

Here is a bit of a paradox to me

Fallout 3 is useing "Updated" oblivion tools.

from what i can see they probably could have kept the Oblivion population density and just droped in random encounters,

they probably should have used the "old" Oblivion modles for the surface humans (after all they are liveing in an iradiated landscape) and used the "Beautified" modles/skins that others created for "Vualt dwelers"

so from my point of view Ironicaly thoes were 2 things that they probably could have carried over intact from oblivious

and Frankly why they did not just flat out steal the SIMS AI for the NPCs is beyond me, it would be a LOT better than the Radiantly stupid AI because at least in the SIMS the other SIMS always react to fights if only to cheer their friends on or scold their brat for getting into a fight!

 

[Wooz]

Well lets see, we were not at war with Japan, Tiawan, South Korea, Indonesea, and a lot of other countries. so eh.

You are aware I'm sure of the several million asian-americans in the US.

Yes. That's irrelevant to the point at hand:

Fallout's timeline is different than our own, based on the fifties' visions of the future, getting nuked. You'll notice that in every single "World of Tomorrow" illustration from the fifties, the protagonists are always tall, blonde and blue-eyed. If the rare cases they aren't, you'll see a tall, white guy with black hair. You'll never see a picture of the stereotypical white family living next door to blacks, asians, mexicans, italians, slavs or... or... anything, really, besides other white anglo-saxon protestants. The World of Tomorrow had no place for minorities, as illustrated in William Gibson's Gernsback Continuum short story. The mentality of people during the forties and fifties was pretty damn racist, make no mistake.

You know there were prisoner camps, (in California, no less) for asian-americans during WW2? Imprisoned there "just in case" they could be Japanese collaborators. They didn't really give a damn if the person was Korean or Kazakh, anyody looking reven emotely oriental was a suspect. Furthermore, the tragedy of hundreds of black soldiers coming home from the war against the epitome of racism, the nazis, were often killed on the way or even inside their home towns. Ironic, and to be honest, disgusting.

So, since the people who took shelter in Vaults were supposed to be the top-of the cream to rebuild the world in America's image after a nuclear war, it's pretty damn unlikely they'd allow someone with a Chinese surname inside.

War dissidents, you say. Maybe. Still, it's a bit odd and unconsistent with the mentality (which, by the way, led to nuclear war in the first place) upon which the series is based.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

Seriously? A bible passage and you're done? Seriously? What are you afraid of the bible?

There have been games that use quotes of the bible. None come to mind, but it's just a verse. It's not like it's telling you to worship god, there is no Church quest, or read verses such-and-such.

It's just a game.

Well donating to a church also raises your karma so there have been a few things said that raise concern about how religion is treated in the game.

Oh man. That's just nitpicking. There ain't nothing wrong with quoting the Bible, and this coming from a pure blood atheist.

The Bible is a book, a literary work. There's nothing wrong with quoting a literary work.

No I agree, it depends on whether or not it's part of a bigger issue, in this case:

Yes, the portrayal of religions in general (and Christianity in particular) seems very positive in Fallout 3, as opposed to a much more cynical approach to religion (and to authority in general, actually) in previous Fallouts.

Heh, you guys are missing quite possibly the worst line from all the footage shown so far.

The new Brotherhood of Steel greeting:
"Steel be with you"

 

[Genma:TheDestroyer]

Heh, you guys are missing quite possibly the worst line from all the footage shown so far.

The new Brotherhood of Steel greeting:
"Steel be with you"

Nope, made it my new sig about 45 minutes ago.

 

[mlk]

So, since the people who took shelter in Vaults were supposed to be the top-of the cream to rebuild the world in America's image after a nuclear war, it's pretty damn unlikely they'd allow someone with a Chinese surname inside.

Even if you're right, there are a lot of asian's in the US with surnames that aren't Chinese.

And as far as I remember from school, it was made sure only Japanese-Americans were put in the concentration camps. They even made extra sure they didn't imprison Chinese and Philippine people since the US was directly collaborating with them against Japan.

 

[Wooz]

Even if you're right, there are a lot of asian's in the US with surnames that aren't Chinese.

a) And this matters how, exactly?

b) As I said before, the world "now" never happened in Fallout.

And as far as I remember from school, it was made sure only Japanese-Americans were put in the concentration camps. They even made extra sure they didn't imprison Chinese and Philippine people since the US was directly collaborating with them against Japan.

Regardless of its moral implications, this doesn't matter for this particular discussion, either.

Your average John Doe didn't give a damn if a person was Japanese, Chinese or Filipino, all that mattered was that they looked similar to their country's enemy, and therefore highly suspicious.

 

[zioburosky13]

I haven't read the whole thread, 'cause it's so friggin' long, but hey: anyone thought about the possibility that Bethesda itself leaked this?

It could be. But the most funny thing is the leaked version is the console port. For years game publishers have been demonizing PC gamer with with crappy PC game title when milking the money from console gamer with the reason 'Console is making money due to less / no piracy at all'.

Boy was their face red ......

 

[UncannyGarlic]

And as far as I remember from school, it was made sure only Japanese-Americans were put in the concentration camps. They even made extra sure they didn't imprison Chinese and Philippine people since the US was directly collaborating with them against Japan.

They generally tried to put only Japanese-Americans in camps but they didn't go through any great effort or bother to remedy their mistakes. I'd also point out that history is written by the winner and thus neither objective nor entirely accurate. Still, you're right that Japanese-Americans were the target but the underlying point is that if there were a vault program, no oriental-American would have been allowed in.

 

[Oakraven]

Actualy a big part of it is the argument that they sell more console games than pc, (from what I have seen more people buy the PS3 version of Oblivion than the PC version, despite the PC version haveing access to all the mods!, (in fact they have indicated that they have sold more total copys for the PS3 than for pc despite launching a year later on the PS3 than the PC)

Despite that thies companies claim that they see more Tec service calls for the PC version of the game than the console version, and then further claim that 80% of the TS calls could be solved by useing a patch that they could get if they had registered the game, thus indicating (to them) that the copy of the game was probably pirated.

 

[Ausir]

They generally tried to put only Japanese-Americans in camps but they didn't go through any great effort or bother to remedy their mistakes. I'd also point out that history is written by the winner and thus neither objective nor entirely accurate. Still, you're right that Japanese-Americans were the target but the underlying point is that if there were a vault program, no oriental-American would have been allowed in.

Well, since the Vaults were experiments, and not meant to save the people, anything is possible.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

They generally tried to put only Japanese-Americans in camps but they didn't go through any great effort or bother to remedy their mistakes. I'd also point out that history is written by the winner and thus neither objective nor entirely accurate. Still, you're right that Japanese-Americans were the target but the underlying point is that if there were a vault program, no oriental-American would have been allowed in.

Well, since the Vaults were experiments, and not meant to save the people, anything is possible.

True, but keep in mind that their other purpose was a morale one and by allowing "the enemies" in, it might backfire. Now if it was a more secret project or one targeting that ethnic group then I think that it would be reasonable.

 

[Wooz]

Well, since the Vaults were experiments, and not meant to save the people, anything is possible.

I had a feeling you'd say that.

I don't know, I've always thought the F2/FBible 'vaults as a social experiment' idea was something slapped-on as an afterthought.

What's V101's purpose?

 

[mlk]

Even if you're right, there are a lot of asian's in the US with surnames that aren't Chinese.

a) And this matters how, exactly?

You claimed that people with Chinese surnames wouldn't be in vaults, and you were also surprised that you saw an oriental woman in the vault. I pointed out that the Oriental woman was most likely not a chinese woman with a chinese surname. That is how it mattered.

b) As I said before, the world "now" never happened in Fallout.

Yes I know

Your average John Doe didn't give a damn if a person was Japanese, Chinese or Filipino, all that mattered was that they looked similar to their country's enemy, and therefore highly suspicious.

The US government aren't made up of "john Doe's" and it was the US gov who decided who would go to the concentration camps, not the average citizen

 

[Ad Astra]

What's V101's purpose?

To see how long it takes for everyone to escape, it seems.

 

[mlk]

but the underlying point is that if there were a vault program, no oriental-American would have been allowed in.

I still don't get that point though.

I do agree that Chinese-Americans might not have been allowed in, but why wouldn't for example Koreans?

Not to mention that by the time of 2070, I'm sure a lot of politicians and scientists would be of Asian descent.

What's V101's purpose?

The vault was designed to stay closed permanently

 

[TheGM]

Heh, you guys are missing quite possibly the worst line from all the footage shown so far.

The new Brotherhood of Steel greeting:
"Steel be with you"

WHAT THE FUCK?!?!

Ok I didn't watch the vids.

Nor are I going to read the 17 pages of this.....

But damn....Steel be with you....

*Shakes head*

 

[PlanHex]

Ok, I haven't really seen the videos yet, but it sounds like there are radroaches all over the place? Even before Liam busts the front door open?

The new Brotherhood of Steel greeting:
"Steel be with you"

Now my forehead hurts. Thanks a lot.