Fallout 3 - pray to god it will be intact

Claw said:
Lumpy said:
Francis said:
[*]Do you trust Bethesda to keep SPECIAL and not mess around with the fucking skills?
Yep. Although they might make it real time, they will most likely keep SPECIAL.
You can't seriously believe they won't mess with the skills, though. They love streamlining skills.
Mess up, yes. But because of incompetence, not conscious decision.
I'm really sure that Bethesda will NOT make Morrowind with Guns. A bad Fallout game, possibly, but a Fallout game nonetheless.
 
Arquebus said:
beth migh make a good post apocalyptic game but will it be fallout?
Well it all depends on whether or not its a CRPG or a true RPG, like Fallout 1 & 2.

But a "good post-apoc game"? I'm not too sure what you mean here, but do you mean they will turn it into a post-apoc Sims game? It still may be good and hold true to a post-apoc world, but it may not be fallout...
 
when I played Oblivion I didnt think to myself "what a great game" I thought "what the FUCK have they done to the Elder Scrolls series". I feel the Fallout series is in the wrong hands for the hardcore fans, dumbed down console pieces of crap is the way to bigger pay cheques. Who needs Small Guns, Large Guns skills when they can just use Guns. Who needs stat heavy interfaces when you stick everything in size 72 font and put a big fuckin red "follow the marker because you're a console gamer and too fuckin stupid to get there on your own" blob on the map. Ohhhhhh. *drowns on his own tears*
 
baardhimself said:
when I played Oblivion I didnt think to myself "what a great game" I thought "what the FUCK have they done to the Elder Scrolls series

You didn't think this at Morrowind?
 
The only thing a player can think while playing Morrowing is "Ohhh, fuck, not ANOTHER flying screeching thingy".

Those flying shits were annoying. It wasn't the combat, but the sounds they made.

Gah.
 
Suffer said:
baardhimself said:
when I played Oblivion I didnt think to myself "what a great game" I thought "what the FUCK have they done to the Elder Scrolls series

You didn't think this at Morrowind?

No I didn't, Morrowind was in it's own right a deep game, immersive and you had a sense of total freedom right from the game's opening. The community may be split, but those who loved Arena and Daggerfall over Morrowind can't say that they are more hardcore or bigger fans of the series than those of us who loved Morrowind.
Oblivion on the other hand is a totally different proposition. Putting arrows on the screen and leveled monsters? My God, Beth have taken an incredible engine and so much design talent, set fire to it and pissed on it.
 
jedandjess said:
No I didn't, Morrowind was in it's own right a deep game, immersive and you had a sense of total freedom right from the game's opening. The community may be split, but those who loved Arena and Daggerfall over Morrowind can't say that they are more hardcore or bigger fans of the series than those of us who loved Morrowind.
Yes they can, since they love the series for what it originally was and the principles of that series, as opposed to the newer, shinier version of what the Elder Scrolls became with Morrowind.

But hey, united in hatred for Oblivion.

jedandjess said:
Oblivion on the other hand is a totally different proposition. Putting arrows on the screen and leveled monsters? My God, Beth have taken an incredible engine and so much design talent, set fire to it and pissed on it.
Wait, there are people who love Morrowind and hate Oblivion?
Cool.
 
Sander said:
Wait, there are people who love Morrowind and hate Oblivion?
Cool.

Morrowind: "O(MFG, I love Morrowind, teh bestest RPG evar for teh XBocx! So it teh bestest RPG evar!"

Oblivion: "WTF...thsi 2 hard, I wanna kill easy stuff with my daydrick sowrd butt everyting level w/me!!"

Don't laugh. Those are real quotes, albeit paraphrased, from the moron magnet of the Bethsoft forums. That kind of human pond scum are who Bethesda obviously designs for, the bottom of the CRPG barrel. Those bright enough to figure out how stats work, but still far too stupid to understand choice and consequence other than "I kill shit, I get phat lewt". Or even "I buy the shitty hype, I buy a shitty game."
 
Well i guess its confession time.

I'm one of the people whom bought Morrowind for the XBox and loved it,for the longest time it was the only title i had for it.I think i enjoyed it because it gave me the feeling of controlling and developing my character like no other game i had played on a console,and i wasn't forced into a linear advance to the next stage adventure.Coming across powerful items or equipment were a by-product of my adventures and not the sole reason for them but playing my character as i envisioned them was.

I was looking foward to an improvemnet on that game with the release of Oblivion.Deeper story,better AI,more ability to develop your character,more and greater challenges,better dialog and greater dialog choices.More or less a step foward.That isn't exactly what happened though.

I enjoy playing both console and PC games and i guess in a way i was hoping that the quality and depth of console games would grow to match that of PC games.I would hope that i'm not alone in wanting something more than FPS action themed games,with pretty graphics,for the consoles,and that developers realize that we're not all twitch monkies with the attention span that rivals the lifespan of a fruitfly.Because if not then FO 3 is going to be made with the lowest common "Did you just see me head-shot that dude and his mellon explode..this game rules!" denominator in mind.
 
You know, with F3 being in pre-production, it's still going to be a couple years before we see anything regarding it. This gives me an idea; in the time between now and then, instead of moaning and complaining like a bunch of 13 year old wounded puppies, get off your critical fucking high-horse and do something about it!!!

Write letters, send emails, flood their message boards instead of huddling off into fringe groups crying and whining, having the same fucking arguments over and over again. I swear to god it gets fucking annoying and fucking old really damn quick. You're so sure that Bethesda is gonna fuck it up, when you don't KNOW shit about what they're going to do with it. THEY don't even know what they're going to do with it.

A lot can happen in 2 years, and you can make it happen. If you truly love Fallout, and are this afraid that bethesda is going to butcher it, then get to fucking work.

Or, you can sit here, having the same argument day in and day out, going on about what they're doing to TES when, despite popular opinion, TES is not Fallout, and Bethesda most likely knows that. Jesus, you guys are making it so i can't even stay in my basement to avoid idiots. And before you go on about "you don't have to be here," yes i do, because i love fallout, and i'm not going to see it destroyed, not even by you, the supposed 'fans.'

Carry on, despair-whores.
 
X51 said:
You know, with F3 being in pre-production, it's still going to be a couple years before we see anything regarding it. This gives me an idea; in the time between now and then, instead of moaning and complaining like a bunch of 13 year old wounded puppies, get off your critical fucking high-horse and do something about it!!!
You mean like discussing what should happen with Beth's Fallout and comparing their previous work with what Fallout needs? Like we're doing now?

X51 said:
Write letters, send emails, flood their message boards instead of huddling off into fringe groups crying and whining, having the same fucking arguments over and over again. I swear to god it gets fucking annoying and fucking old really damn quick.
E-mails get a standard form letter amounting to 'We're not telling you squat', the same would presumably go for letters. They have no message board, there are the TES boards, where Fallout talk of any kind is basically banned. Flooding boards is also not a good way to get positive attention. Calling people idiots isn't going to make them listen to what you have to say either.

X51 said:
You're so sure that Bethesda is gonna fuck it up, when you don't KNOW shit about what they're going to do with it. THEY don't even know what they're going to do with it.
Bethesda has basically begun production and have been working on it steadily for a while now. It's safe to assume it's out of pre-production.
It's bullshit to assume that they don't know what they're going to do with it. They're just not telling anyone anything, and that's a pretty big difference.

Besides that, you might want to go re-read some of this forum. Yes, a lot of new posters come in and whine about Bethesda. We're not going to ban that, but if you look around there are a lot of meaningful conversations on Bethesda's business practices and what they have done so far. Also comparing standard business practice and what is good for them.

We also know that they do read this board, so discussions here will have influence as well.

X51 said:
A lot can happen in 2 years, and you can make it happen. If you truly love Fallout, and are this afraid that bethesda is going to butcher it, then get to fucking work.

Or, you can sit here, having the same argument day in and day out, going on about what they're doing to TES when, despite popular opinion, TES is not Fallout, and Bethesda most likely knows that. Jesus, you guys are making it so i can't even stay in my basement to avoid idiots. And before you go on about "you don't have to be here," yes i do, because i love fallout, and i'm not going to see it destroyed, not even by you, the supposed 'fans.'

Carry on, despair-whores.
How about you calm down and don't write some poor troll on a messageboard, huh? Calling people despair-whores and bitching about how we're all stupid while you're not even paying attention isn't going to get you much sympathy.
 
X51 said:
You know, with F3 being in pre-production, it's still going to be a couple years before we see anything regarding it.
Fallout 3 will be officially announced this Fall. According to BethSoft, the alpha build is close to completion and may already be done, for all we know. Idiot.

This gives me an idea; in the time between now and then, instead of moaning and complaining like a bunch of 13 year old wounded puppies, get off your critical fucking high-horse and do something about it!!!
What, pray tell, is a fan community *supposed* to do besides bitch and moan?

Write letters,
Letters? What is this, 19th century?

send emails,
Did that. Multiple times. All I got were generic one-sentence responses that addressed nothing.

flood their message boards
They don't have a message board. Moron.

You're so sure that Bethesda is gonna fuck it up, when you don't KNOW shit about what they're going to do with it.
We know more than you think, fool.

THEY don't even know what they're going to do with it.
Considering that they already have an alpha build - or will have it very soon - I find that difficult to believe.

A lot can happen in 2 years, and you can make it happen. If you truly love Fallout, and are this afraid that bethesda is going to butcher it, then get to fucking work.
This *is* our work.

Or, you can sit here, having the same argument day in and day out, going on about what they're doing to TES when, despite popular opinion, TES is not Fallout, and Bethesda most likely knows that.
How wonderfully naive.

Jesus, you guys are making it so i can't even stay in my basement to avoid idiots. And before you go on about "you don't have to be here," yes i do, because i love fallout, and i'm not going to see it destroyed, not even by you, the supposed 'fans.'

Carry on, despair-whores.
Go away, troll. Your kind isn't welcome here.
 
Well, in defense of X 51m, I think sometimes a fan community tends to "jump the shark" (sorry to use the infamous phrase) based on, sometimes, complete speculation.
 
Mm... one must be careful with what one writes. A moment of frustration mixed with buried fear often leads to stupidity. :oops:

Thank you for your burns, they were illuminating. Apparently, obviously, i'm not as up to date as i thought i was. Could someone enlighten me as to how some of you know about alpha-builds and official announcements? I haven't been able to find anything...

I'm sorry for the slander, everyone. I have no excuse besides the above-stated.

I'm gonna go ahead and be silent for a while in shame.
 
Have you tried our news forum or Google? There is a recent PC Gamer newsbit announcing that Fallout 3 has left pre-production. There is also a recent Todd Howard interview for NextGen in which he mentions working on the alpha build. In addition to this, some months ago Pete Hines stated (in response to DAC's King of Creation) that a "big announcement" would be made by the end of the year, and one doesn't need to be exceptionally bright to guess what the big announcement will be.

As for other available information, it's all hearsay, but very disconcerting and coming from reliable sources. If it interests you, search.
 
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